Current Events > At what age is it not cruel to kick out your offspring?

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Kombucha 03/16/23 7:45:12 PM #1:	A few years back I heard this guy talking and he was going on about how his son was going to get kicked out as soon as he turned 18, because that's what happened to him and he "turned out great". It struck me as particularly cruel. Edit: Though I used offspring, this applies to adopted/step-kids/etc. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:972219940] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>A few years back I heard this guy talking and he was going on about how his son was going to get kicked out as soon as he turned 18, because that's what happened to him and he "turned out great". It struck me as particularly cruel. Edit: Though I used offspring, this applies to adopted/step-kids/etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheAwesomeMatt 03/16/23 7:47:27 PM #2:	Probably a couple years after university, so mid 20s --- . <cite>TheAwesomeMatt posted [p:972219989] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Probably a couple years after university, so mid 20s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 03/16/23 7:47:29 PM #3:	When they leave voluntarily is the obvious one. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:972219991] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>When they leave voluntarily is the obvious one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gildedwings 03/16/23 7:48:07 PM #4:	2, so long as you make sure to arm them with a small knife in case one of the train hobos tries something. --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972220001] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>2, so long as you make sure to arm them with a small knife in case one of the train hobos tries something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gildedwings 03/16/23 7:48:35 PM #6:	warlock7735 posted... When they leave voluntarily is the obvious one. What if they're like 30 and still won't leave? --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972220011] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>warlock7735 posted... </cite><quote>When they leave voluntarily is the obvious one.</quote>What if they're like 30 and still won't leave?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 03/16/23 7:48:48 PM #7:	I think if you don't have issues with them, and it's not something you try to talk about first, then it can be cruel at any age. like, if you talk to your kid, and say something like, "hey, you're 25, I think you should start looking for your own place, but I'll help you and give you time", then that's pretty fair. but if you're like, "hey, you're 25, I want you to move out", then that's another. --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/bmh5oq <cite>boxoto posted [p:972220015] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>I think if you don't have issues with them, and it's not something you try to talk about first, then it can be cruel at any age. like, if you talk to your kid, and say something like, "hey, you're 25, I think you should start looking for your own place, but I'll help you and give you time", then that's pretty fair. but if you're like, "hey, you're 25, I want you to move out", then that's another.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dakimakura 03/16/23 7:49:10 PM #8:	Turning your back on family is always cruel but if they are a financial burden and refuse to help support the family I think that takes the cruelty out of things. --- "Let the bears pay the bear tax I pay the Homer tax." - Bart Simpson <cite>Dakimakura posted [p:972220023] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Turning your back on family is always cruel but if they are a financial burden and refuse to help support the family I think that takes the cruelty out of things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/16/23 7:51:19 PM #9:	18 is pretty young these days under basically any circumstance. Especially these days with cost of living. Outside of that when we're talking about adults it's the circumstances of being kicked out that matter more than the age. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972220072] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>18 is pretty young these days under basically any circumstance. Especially these days with cost of living. Outside of that when we're talking about adults it's the circumstances of being kicked out that matter more than the age. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 03/16/23 7:51:26 PM #10:	But then they wonder why their kids stick them into senior homes instead of living with them when they get really old. I'd want my kids to be independent, but also not in debt. The kid should have a job to help pay rent and help around the house. They can live indefinitely in that case, imo. Would help a lot with paying off school. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:972220073] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>But then they wonder why their kids stick them into senior homes instead of living with them when they get really old.I'd want my kids to be independent, but also not in debt. The kid should have a job to help pay rent and help around the house. They can live indefinitely in that case, imo. Would help a lot with paying off school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolguyjimmy 03/16/23 7:52:39 PM #11:	This reminds me of a tale: A woman phones up her mother at 2:00am, and says "Caroline just came in, at 2:00am! I'm going crazy, she's only 16! Tell me mother when does it stop?" <cite>coolguyjimmy posted [p:972220094] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>This reminds me of a tale:A woman phones up her mother at 2:00am, and says "Caroline just came in, at 2:00am! I'm going crazy, she's only 16! Tell me mother when does it stop?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 03/16/23 7:53:15 PM #12:	When they are in the same or better financial state that you were when leaving home. And if you suffered and struggled and do the same to your kid, it says a lot about you. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:972220107] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>When they are in the same or better financial state that you were when leaving home. And if you suffered and struggled and do the same to your kid, it says a lot about you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Michael_Booth 03/16/23 8:01:36 PM #13:	I think it depends on how you do it. My parents, got me to "leave" the family estate at 21 years old, but they did it by gifting me a 2-bed apartment, all paid off as my 21st birthday present. They didn't really need to kick me out, I just went there of my own volition. I still go to the family estate for meals, occasionally -- but being independent at 21 years old really allowed me to grow, and experience being an adult. It allowed me to balance my stipend from the Trust Fund with my outgoings. Sure, sometimes that $4000 a month (at the time) wasn't used correctly, and I had to go cap in hand back to my parents to help with finance for the month, but I learned from it and have become a better adult because of it. I fear if I'd stated at the Family estate too much over 21 years old, I would not have grown as I have and instead withered. <cite>Michael_Booth posted [p:972220266] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>I think it depends on how you do it. My parents, got me to "leave" the family estate at 21 years old, but they did it by gifting me a 2-bed apartment, all paid off as my 21st birthday present. They didn't really need to kick me out, I just went there of my own volition. I still go to the family estate for meals, occasionally -- but being independent at 21 years old really allowed me to grow, and experience being an adult. It allowed me to balance my stipend from the Trust Fund with my outgoings. Sure, sometimes that $4000 a month (at the time) wasn't used correctly, and I had to go cap in hand back to my parents to help with finance for the month, but I learned from it and have become a better adult because of it.I fear if I'd stated at the Family estate too much over 21 years old, I would not have grown as I have and instead withered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 03/16/23 8:05:17 PM #15:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This unless they're threatening your life or something heinous like that. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:972220352] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This unless they're threatening your life or something heinous like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 03/16/23 8:07:21 PM #16:	It's always cruel. You don't force someone to come into the world just so you can kick them out. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 35, 500th posts: 34; PiO ATTN: 6 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:972220389] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>It's always cruel. You don't force someone to come into the world just so you can kick them out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joelypoely 03/16/23 8:12:05 PM #17:	mattymad posted... Never. You brought that person in to the world so you better support them. --- https://philoetryblog.wordpress.com/ <cite>Joelypoely posted [p:972220480] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>mattymad posted...</cite><quote>Never. You brought that person in to the world so you better support them.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys_Monster 03/16/23 8:18:56 PM #18:	PiOverlord posted... It's always cruel. You don't force someone to come into the world just so you can kick them out. What if they're unemployed, 26 years old, and play video games all day in the basement? --- Ryzen 3700X \| ASUS RTX 3070 8GB \| 16GB DDR4 3200 \| Crucial MX500 2TB <cite>Pepys_Monster posted [p:972220599] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>PiOverlord posted... </cite><quote>It's always cruel. You don't force someone to come into the world just so you can kick them out.</quote>What if they're unemployed, 26 years old, and play video games all day in the basement?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gildedwings 03/16/23 8:20:23 PM #20:	Pepys_Monster posted... What if they're unemployed, 26 years old, and play video games all day in the basement? Based --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972220626] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Pepys_Monster posted... </cite><quote>What if they're unemployed, 26 years old, and play video games all day in the basement?</quote>Based</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolguyjimmy 03/16/23 8:20:25 PM #21:	Pepys_Monster posted... What if they're unemployed, 26 years old, and play video games all day in the basement? Your parents were definitely in the wrong, man. <cite>coolguyjimmy posted [p:972220627] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Pepys_Monster posted... </cite><quote>What if they're unemployed, 26 years old, and play video games all day in the basement?</quote>Your parents were definitely in the wrong, man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gildedwings 03/16/23 8:21:06 PM #22:	coolguyjimmy posted... Your parents were definitely in the wrong, man. My father left me. --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972220640] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>coolguyjimmy posted... </cite><quote>Your parents were definitely in the wrong, man.</quote>My father left me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 03/16/23 8:23:01 PM #23:	gildedwings posted... What if they're like 30 and still won't leave? Im 30 and I still live with my parents. I have the whole upstairs area to myself. I also have a full-time job and everything. --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:972220673] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>gildedwings posted... </cite><quote>What if they're like 30 and still won't leave?</quote>Im 30 and I still live with my parents. I have the whole upstairs area to myself. I also have a full-time job and everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gildedwings 03/16/23 8:23:38 PM #24:	MaxEffingBemis posted... Im 30 and I still live with my parents. I have the whole upstairs area to myself. I also have a full-time job and everything. How can I be like you? I want to move but I have no money. :( --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972220694] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>MaxEffingBemis posted... </cite><quote>Im 30 and I still live with my parents. I have the whole upstairs area to myself. I also have a full-time job and everything.</quote>How can I be like you? I want to move but I have no money.:(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 03/16/23 8:25:49 PM #25:	gildedwings posted... How can I be like you? I want to move but I have no money. :( I dont have any money either thats why I still live with my parents lmao --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:972220736] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>gildedwings posted... </cite><quote>How can I be like you? I want to move but I have no money.:(</quote>I dont have any money either thats why I still live with my parents lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gildedwings 03/16/23 8:26:37 PM #26:	MaxEffingBemis posted... I dont have any money either thats why I still live with my parents lmao Man... --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972220755] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>MaxEffingBemis posted... </cite><quote>I dont have any money either thats why I still live with my parents lmao</quote>Man...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
manhookcardoor 03/16/23 8:31:05 PM #27:	When they are capable of supporting themselves or able and ready to enter a program. --- man hook hand hook car <cite>manhookcardoor posted [p:972220833] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>When they are capable of supporting themselves or able and ready to enter a program.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BettyWhite 03/16/23 8:32:56 PM #28:	They can stay as long as they want as long as they're working and/or going to school. --- Thank you for being a friend <3 <cite>BettyWhite posted [p:972220873] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>They can stay as long as they want as long as they're working and/or going to school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 03/16/23 8:35:57 PM #30:	It depends on a number of things. If the child is working or going to school. Let them stay. If they are just living off the parents and doing nothing at all. I say about something 25 or so. Note I am not sure if this true. But I have heard many other places let people stay for longer. Out side of America. --- To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships. W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:972220946] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>It depends on a number of things. If the child is working or going to school. Let them stay.If they are just living off the parents and doing nothing at all. I say about something 25 or so. Note I am not sure if this true. But I have heard many other places let people stay for longer. Out side of America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamingsince1989 03/16/23 8:38:17 PM #31:	I don't have children, but I would have them pay rent starting at 18 and I would put all of their rent money into a savings account that they can use to get their own place when they're ready. <cite>Gamingsince1989 posted [p:972220996] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>I don't have children, but I would have them pay rent starting at 18 and I would put all of their rent money into a savings account that they can use to get their own place when they're ready.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeeperOfShadows 03/16/23 8:41:28 PM #32:	A week after they turn 18. --- Currently playing: DFFOO, Priconne <cite>KeeperOfShadows posted [p:972221055] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>A week after they turn 18.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Priere 03/16/23 8:50:49 PM #34:	Anyone who kicks their kids out better be cool with the idea of being neglected when they are elderly --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://i.imgur.com/PmX8smn.gif https://i.imgur.com/mwTy0iF.gif https://i.imgur.com/FCER80e.gif <cite>Priere posted [p:972221208] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who kicks their kids out better be cool with the idea of being neglected when they are elderly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 03/17/23 12:03:01 AM #35:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Holy shit I'm so sorry dude For doubling the rent though, I'm assuming it's because it's two people living under her roof now, with twice the expenses on electricity, waste, etc (on your end). Should have given a discount, but w/e --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:972224413] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Holy shit I'm so sorry dude For doubling the rent though, I'm assuming it's because it's two people living under her roof now, with twice the expenses on electricity, waste, etc (on your end). Should have given a discount, but w/e</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balnazarr 03/17/23 12:14:51 AM #36:	If they're sitting at home not working and not helping. Out they go. But, if they're at home contributing it's really up to them. My Parents told me as an adult I had to start contributing. So, I paid rent and helped out. They let me stay as long as I wanted really. Moved out around 26. Still live close by. <cite>Balnazarr posted [p:972224559] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>If they're sitting at home not working and not helping. Out they go. But, if they're at home contributing it's really up to them. My Parents told me as an adult I had to start contributing. So, I paid rent and helped out. They let me stay as long as I wanted really. Moved out around 26. Still live close by. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanardElastique 03/17/23 12:15:50 AM #37:	Michael_Booth posted... I think it depends on how you do it. My parents, got me to "leave" the family estate at 21 years old, but they did it by gifting me a 2-bed apartment, all paid off as my 21st birthday present. They didn't really need to kick me out, I just went there of my own volition. I still go to the family estate for meals, occasionally -- but being independent at 21 years old really allowed me to grow, and experience being an adult. It allowed me to balance my stipend from the Trust Fund with my outgoings. Sure, sometimes that $4000 a month (at the time) wasn't used correctly, and I had to go cap in hand back to my parents to help with finance for the month, but I learned from it and have become a better adult because of it. I fear if I'd stated at the Family estate too much over 21 years old, I would not have grown as I have and instead withered. Hahawhat --- ~ Canard Elastique ~ <cite>CanardElastique posted [p:972224572] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Michael_Booth posted... </cite><quote>I think it depends on how you do it. My parents, got me to "leave" the family estate at 21 years old, but they did it by gifting me a 2-bed apartment, all paid off as my 21st birthday present. They didn't really need to kick me out, I just went there of my own volition. I still go to the family estate for meals, occasionally -- but being independent at 21 years old really allowed me to grow, and experience being an adult. It allowed me to balance my stipend from the Trust Fund with my outgoings. Sure, sometimes that $4000 a month (at the time) wasn't used correctly, and I had to go cap in hand back to my parents to help with finance for the month, but I learned from it and have become a better adult because of it.I fear if I'd stated at the Family estate too much over 21 years old, I would not have grown as I have and instead withered.</quote>Hahawhat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philip027 03/17/23 1:11:51 AM #38:	I feel like "kicking out" your offspring is generally cruel no matter what age it is done, tbh <cite>Philip027 posted [p:972225317] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>I feel like "kicking out" your offspring is generally cruel no matter what age it is done, tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shironinja 03/17/23 1:14:43 AM #39:	does leaving for a pack of cigarettes and not coming back count because if so, seven. --- Now or never. <cite>shironinja posted [p:972225352] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>does leaving for a pack of cigarettes and not coming back count because if so, seven.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenaku 03/17/23 2:26:54 AM #40:	The question is, at what point do they deserve to get kicked out? What are some reasons that an offspring would deserve to get dropped by their parents? <cite>Tenaku posted [p:972226137] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>The question is, at what point do they deserve to get kicked out? What are some reasons that an offspring would deserve to get dropped by their parents?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HudGard 03/17/23 2:28:55 AM #41:	Honestly if they are working, have social lives, and otherwise self sufficient I say stay as long as you wish. Or at least until we retire and sell the home to become RV roamers. --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>HudGard posted [p:972226161] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Honestly if they are working, have social lives, and otherwise self sufficient I say stay as long as you wish. Or at least until we retire and sell the home to become RV roamers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 03/17/23 3:21:18 AM #42:	I'd say it's dependent on situation. If the kid has fallen on hard times or is having legit issues finding work or there is some other situation out of their hands, then it's cruel to not give them a place to stay. If the kid is completely able and capable based on their current situation to move out and fend for themselves then I think it's okay to push them out. --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:972226615] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>I'd say it's dependent on situation. If the kid has fallen on hard times or is having legit issues finding work or there is some other situation out of their hands, then it's cruel to not give them a place to stay.If the kid is completely able and capable based on their current situation to move out and fend for themselves then I think it's okay to push them out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 03/17/23 3:23:38 AM #43:	18 --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:972226636] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>18</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 03/17/23 4:59:35 AM #46:	As long as their paying the bills and making some effort to move out I'm willing to give them a few more years. Barring hard times. But otherwise idc if they have to join the army or something but gtfo. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:972227399] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>As long as their paying the bills and making some effort to move out I'm willing to give them a few more years. Barring hard times.But otherwise idc if they have to join the army or something but gtfo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Snake07 03/17/23 5:03:39 AM #47:	My daughter can live with me as long as she wants assuming she is either going to school or working full time. If not shes gonna have to figure something else out around 19. Its not so much about getting her out of my house so much as its not enabling her to be a do nothing loser --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid_Snake07 posted [p:972227434] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>My daughter can live with me as long as she wants assuming she is either going to school or working full time.If not shes gonna have to figure something else out around 19. Its not so much about getting her out of my house so much as its not enabling her to be a do nothing loser</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hoodroar 03/17/23 5:12:51 AM #48:	In the current economy it's heartless at any age unless you saved up relocation money for them. Housing in 2023 is not cheap or available enough for someone kicked out unprepared to access it. They'll just be homeless. That said, if the offspring is a constant disruption to the household, they still have to go. --- sigless user logic <cite>Hoodroar posted [p:972227496] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>In the current economy it's heartless at any age unless you saved up relocation money for them.Housing in 2023 is not cheap or available enough for someone kicked out unprepared to access it. They'll just be homeless.That said, if the offspring is a constant disruption to the household, they still have to go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kakapo 03/17/23 5:35:15 AM #49:	How old's Catboy? --- There's resounding gongs and clanging bowls, there's cats to guide my soul 24 hour party parrot <cite>Kakapo posted [p:972227653] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>How old's Catboy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 03/17/23 5:39:37 AM #50:	Solid_Snake07 posted... My daughter can live with me as long as she wants assuming she is either going to school or working full time. Thats the deal my parents made with us. Just feeling shitty about it now because I quit my job at the end of January and still not hearing back from crappy jobs like gas stations or grocery stores. Like I'm not holding up my side of the bargain. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:972227683] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote>Solid_Snake07 posted... </cite><quote>My daughter can live with me as long as she wants assuming she is either going to school or working full time.</quote>Thats the deal my parents made with us. Just feeling shitty about it now because I quit my job at the end of January and still not hearing back from crappy jobs like gas stations or grocery stores. Like I'm not holding up my side of the bargain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kakapo 03/17/23 5:47:26 AM #51:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I think/hope it's satire. --- There's resounding gongs and clanging bowls, there's cats to guide my soul 24 hour party parrot <cite>Kakapo posted [p:972227759] in At what ag... [t:80381582]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I think/hope it's satire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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