Current Events > Waitress angry at only getting a $70 tip from Europeans.

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Frolex posted...

if europeans are gonna shit on americans for not respecting european cultural traditions and etiquette when they travel abroad, the reverse should be true too, js

we think tipping is stupid too. We just do it because they dont get paid enough

Also. I don't really think people get mad at American tourists for not "respecting culture and etiquette"

They get mad at them for shouting everywhere they go to the annoyance of everyone around them-

Biofighter55 posted...

we think tipping is stupid too. We just do it because they dont get paid enough

if you want them to get paid enough then stop tipping

It's because you're bothering them at their job?

Sp00k posted...

Servers typically pay out percentages of their total sales at the end of the night to bartenders/hosts/kitchen/the house/etc. The percentages and cuts can vary depending on the establishment. When the payout to others is calculated it's done on the $700 sale. Not the $70 tip.

Thats not the customers fault for not knowing stupid rules like that. The amount you pay out should be based on the amount of tips The problem isnt the customers tip amount. Its the restaurants fault for making a rule based on the sale and not the tip That said, it sounds like a very bad way to do tip pooling

majin_nemesis posted...

people need to stop tipping so the employers have to start paying people for their job

Self-service dining, here we come! After all, we already have Mickie Ds wanting to phase out their cashiers for those stupid touchscreen self-order menus in order to avoid paying more for the same amount of effort out of their employees, so why not get rid of the waitstaff at sit down restaurants too?

Agent_Stroud posted...

Self-service dining, here we come! After all, we already have Mickie Ds wanting to phase out their cashiers for those stupid touchscreen self-order menus in order to avoid paying more for the same amount of effort out of their employees, so why not get rid of the waitstaff at sit down restaurants too?

You've apparently never met a McDonalds employee if you think the TOUCHSCREEN is the stupid one.

Agent_Stroud posted...

Self-service dining, here we come! After all, we already have Mickie Ds wanting to phase out their cashiers for those stupid touchscreen self-order menus in order to avoid paying more for the same amount of effort out of their employees, so why not get rid of the waitstaff at sit down restaurants too?

why not just pay your employees? there's tons of other jobs where they have to do just that why is restaurants special? other countries do it why is it so hard for america to actually pay people for their work without expecting the employes to be paid out of forced and manipulative donations from the clients

*enters topic*

A tipping topic with 100+ posts? Way to go, CE.

*leaves topic*

majin_nemesis posted...

why not just pay your employees? there's tons of other jobs where they have to do just that why is restaurants special? other countries do it why is it so hard for america to actually pay people for their work without expecting the employes to be paid out of forced and manipulative donations from the clients

Bruh, you know very well how corporate America is about anything cutting into their profits, even going so far as to replace flesh and blood workers with machines to avoid paying even a penny more. All Im saying is to be careful what you wish for, as you might not like the reality of the results.

WolfFangHowell posted...

You've apparently never met a McDonalds employee if you think the TOUCHSCREEN is the stupid one.

It depends on what you try to order Luckily, at McDonalds, things dont usually get too complicated for my orders But there are places where if I use a touchscreen or app, I cant get what I want. Like Subway or Chipotle But thats for me I also know that at Sonic, I could have trouble ordering certain things since the app sometimes doesnt have everything

majin_nemesis posted...

why not just pay your employees? there's tons of other jobs where they have to do just that why is restaurants special? other countries do it why is it so hard for america to actually pay people for their work without expecting the employes to be paid out of forced and manipulative donations from the clients

Tbf, some of the waiters and waitresses dont want it Many do, but some like the tipping Some can take home a shit ton of money each night But then they complain when they have a bad night The end result is like entitlement If you want the good of tipping, you have to take the bad, as well

LinkPizza posted...

Could you explain what Im not getting about the system, then? I just dont understand why $70 isnt better than $20 or $40 tips I dont understand why servers are mad about bad percentages if the tip amount is still better

Imagine doing $300 worth of work and getting paid $150. Sure $150 is nice and better than $100 or $75, but wouldnt you like to get paid the full amount?

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Imagine doing $300 worth of work and getting paid $150. Sure $150 is nice and better than $100 or $75, but wouldnt you like to get paid the full amount?

This applies to almost any job. Many non tipped jobs. Many non tip minimum wage jobs.

Minimum wage workers, working for an employer who's trying to make cuts by shoving additional responsibilities and work for their staff. Staff that is often underpaid, understaffed and over worked.

Waitresses aren't more special.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Imagine doing $300 worth of work and getting paid $150. Sure $150 is nice and better than $100 or $75, but wouldnt you like to get paid the full amount?

She did $300 worth of work?

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Imagine doing $300 worth of work and getting paid $150. Sure $150 is nice and better than $100 or $75, but wouldnt you like to get paid the full amount?

But is that what happened here? She said the reason she was mad was because they stayed for a long time Not because they overworked her. Plus, the amount does equate to the amount they paid. For example, she could work more at a table that had more people who ordered something cheap. Like lets say a table had 4 people who ordered $100 steaks, and another table have 8 people who ordered $20 pastas. The steak tables total is at $400, while the pasta table is at $160 But the $160 table would be more work since there were more people So, we cant say she did more work than other tables. She could have done about the same amount at other tables. And in this case, would have gotten paid more But we dont have all that info In the end, its not the same as getting paid $150 for $300 worth of work. We dont know if she did $140 worth of work. We dont even know if she did $70 worth of work, tbh

I think I kind of understand the situation. If they had been there an hour and tipped 70 she would have been fine, yes its frustrating that its only 10 percent, but she can make that up with other customers. But if someone is there for 3 hours, which subsequently could have seated 3 or more different families, she has every right to be pissed off. She makes most of her money via tips, so in the span of that time period she could have made at least double that amount with more people dining at that table.

Then there is always the chance that one of the other families would have tipped her more.

So 1 European family stays there for I'm going to assume 3 hours. Assuming she could have seated 3 families in that 3 hours, paying the same amount, that's 70+140+140 or 350.

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Which isn't a bad tip. The woman is just entitled.

She's entitled to the grand total of nothing.

Conflict posted...

It's about the percentage lol. That's only 10%

It depends on if they do that weird tip pooling or not If its just amount straight tip amount, Id take $70 over another table that tipped $20 But if they do that weird tip pooling that other poster mentioned, than its bad

I refuse to go to anyplace that wants a tip. Should be happy: i dont like it so i dont go.

Ivany2008 posted...

I think I kind of understand the situation. If they had been there an hour and tipped 70 she would have been fine, yes its frustrating that its only 10 percent, but she can make that up with other customers. But if someone is there for 3 hours, which subsequently could have seated 3 or more different families, she has every right to be pissed off. She makes most of her money via tips, so in the span of that time period she could have made at least double that amount with more people dining at that table.

Then there is always the chance that one of the other families would have tipped her more.

So 1 European family stays there for I'm going to assume 3 hours. Assuming she could have seated 3 families in that 3 hours, paying the same amount, that's 70+140+140 or 350.

They also could have tipped less Or tipped a better percentage, which also could have been less money We also dont know how long they stayed over Was it enough for one other dinner? Or two Maybe only half a dinner? Maybe more info would be helpful Maybe she put more in her Twitter

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That means absolutely no such thing.

If I spend $700 on anything that doesn't mean I'm jumping at the chance to gift someone $140. Nor does it mean, "I'm capable."

Even under this scenario which apparently was a group event. If my group resultedin a total of $700, that doesn't all of a sudden mean we are capable of rallying $140 just because you feel the waitress is entitled to this.

Tipping is also once again not something anyone is entitled to, to begin with. An important was brought up earlier that there are in fact other minimum wage jobs out there that don't get tips. The cashier or stocker or janitor at your local grocery store isn't getting tips on those $100+ groceries.

Agent_Stroud posted...

Bruh, you know very well how corporate America is about anything cutting into their profits, even going so far as to replace flesh and blood workers with machines to avoid paying even a penny more. All Im saying is to be careful what you wish for, as you might not like the reality of the results.

then regulate corporate america until they aren't like that

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I don't give a shit you find it customary.

There's literally no difference of the cashier making minimum wage or the waitress making minimum wage. If you want to make the waitress out to be more important and deserving of a tip than the cashier or stocker at a grocery store, that is your business. Not mine.

It remains that it applies to anything I spend $700 on. Not the arbitrary "customary" rules that says one job gets a tip, but the other job likely making less doesn't.

majin_nemesis posted...

then regulate corporate america until they aren't like that

Whos regulating the regulators to ensure they arent getting enough of that lobbyist money to conveniently look the other way though?

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Using the federal minimum wage as the baseline.
A Walmart cashier working 40 hours would make 290/week before taxes.
This waitresses employer would be required and forced to pay her 290/week for 40 worked.
Regardless of the state you live in, this applies to each state. That waitresses employer is required to pay her whatever the minimum wage is in her state if wages are insufficient to make up the difference.

Top that with the fact WITH tips they can make more than minimum wage, and that same entitlement seems to magically dissappear for "customarily" non tipped minimum wage jobs when these same waitresses shop elsewhere.

This misconception that waitresses are paid less is just not remotely accurate. Yet it's continuously peddled.

t5yvxc posted...

Using the federal minimum wage as the baseline.
A Walmart cashier working 40 hours would make 290/week before taxes.
This waitresses employer would be required and forced to pay her 290/week for 40 worked.
Regardless of the state you live in, this applies to each state. That waitresses employer is required to pay her whatever the minimum wage is in her state if wages are insufficient to make up the difference.

This misconception that waitresses are paid less is just not remotely accurate. Yet it's continuously peddled.

If you don't tip them in most bars/restaurants with servers they will be paid less when they cash out at the end of the night on their sales and give their hourly wage to a kitchen/bartender/host/etc.

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And I hate that mindset that the tip should be a set percentage, no matter how large the bill is. Because if the bill is large, then it becomes a ridiculous amount. A $140 tip is massive, no matter how you try and slice it. Like even if they stayed at the restaurant for 5 hours (highly unlikely), a $140 tip would be the equivalent of $28/hour. So she would have made 4 times the federal minimum wage, just from a single table's tip.

Literally the only reason she's mad is because she feels like they could have afforded more. But she's not owed anything.

t5yvxc posted...

Using the federal minimum wage as the baseline.
A Walmart cashier working 40 hours would make 290/week before taxes.
This waitresses employer would be required and forced to pay her 290/week for 40 worked.
Regardless of the state you live in, this applies to each state. That waitresses employer is required to pay her whatever the minimum wage is in her state if wages are insufficient to make up the difference.

Top that with the fact WITH tips they can make more than minimum wage, and that same entitlement seems to magically dissappear for "customarily" non tipped minimum wage jobs when these same waitresses shop elsewhere.

This misconception that waitresses are paid less is just not remotely accurate. Yet it's continuously peddled.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

You might want to check the Department of Labors own website before continuing further, bruh.

Sp00k posted...

If you don't tip them in most bars/restaurants with servers they will be paid less when they cash out at the end of the night on their sales and give their hourly wage to a kitchen/bartender/host/etc.

Again inaccurate.

Say the minimum wage is 7.25 (this number can vary by state, but the same principle applies) and they worked 40 hours and received no tips. The employer is required by law to pay that worker 290 for the week.

Any employer paying less would be breaking the law. If you or anyone's employer is laying less, take their ass to court.

Conflict posted...

If you're lavish enough to spend $700 on food at a restaurant, you should certainly be more than capable of tipping another $140. You guys are focused on the amount and not that it's a proportional thing. If it was a $40 order she'd only be asking for $8.

Because those customers were there for hours, they were literally taking away potential tips from other customers who could've sat there instead.

Not necessarily It depends on how much they have Maybe they didnt expect the restaurant to be as expensive as it was Not to mention that to them, 10% is a big tip where they are from And to them, $70 still seems like a lot Even if the bill was more, $70 a good tip At least, I see it that way I dont think Ive ever even done a $70 tip Ive also never had a $700 bill

That said, like I mentioned earlier, in terms of just the tips, I wouldnt care about the percentage of the tip was good

t5yvxc posted...

Again inaccurate.

Say the minimum wage is 7.25 (this number can vary by state, but the same principle applies) and they worked 40 hours and received no tips. The employer is required by law to pay that worker 290 for the week.

Any employer paying less would be breaking the law. If you or anyone's employer is laying less, take their ass to court.

You say inaccurate as if I haven't known people who have effectively lost money working because of shitty tips or walk outs that employers have held their staff accountable for (which is also illegal in a lot of places but happens). It's not like their wage is garnished. They just physically move the cash between parties. I'm also not saying it's an every night occasion. It's not because they get tipped. If tips just vanished and the rest of the system stayed place with the expectation of tips it would likely change after some anguish.

The service industry can be really shitty.

People are allowed to be mad about not making what they think they should, but this is the system she opted into, it will balance out in the long run just like it does anytime someone shorts her (literally happens every day to most servers) and blaming the customer comes across as incredibly entitled

Sp00k posted...

You say inaccurate as if I haven't known people who have effectively lost money working because of s***ty tips or walk outs that employers have held their staff accountable for

....that doesn't change its illegal.....

Waitress and servers aren't the only workers in America working for employers doing illegal practices.

This mindset that the service industry is the only struggling class of workers is just not true.

DipDipDiver posted...

People are allowed to be mad about not making what they think they should, but this is the system she opted into, it will balance out in the long run just like it does anytime someone shorts her (literally happens every day to most servers) and blaming the customer comes across as incredibly entitled

Yep Like I said, you have to take the good with the bad Sure, you might get a bad tip once in a while But you also get those amazing ones Good with the bad

NatsuSama posted...

This mindset that the service industry is the only struggling class of workers is just not true.

I don't recall saying they are or that there aren't worse. But I guess it's allowed to be shitty because there are shittier jobs. Great mindset.

i feel like the longer that night went on, the louder they got?

Dakimakura posted...

Woman lives in New York

Good luck with that 23 dollars an hour

23 dollars per hour per table seems like it wouldn't be too bad

I'm not sure if servers have a high turnaround because of pay or because they're insufferable.

Sp00k posted...

I don't recall saying they are or that there aren't worse. But I guess it's allowed to be shitty because there are shittier jobs. Great mindset.

You aren't making a real point to why the service industry is struggling anymore than other non tipped jobs making minimum wage or worse. You also aren't making some fine point ignoring its illegal to just not pay the service industry minimum wage if tips are short.

There are plentiful of jobs out there that are understaffed, overworked, underpaid, working multiple responsibilities, and get this...are not tipped working minimum wage. Many of them are also working under illegal conditions, and also illegally not getting paid courtesy of THEIR shitty employers.

If you wish to tip a waitress, by all means. I'm not judging. Truly. However, this attitude that they are entitled to the tip, ignoring others out there who never get tips, and this attitude that they are the only ones suffering is the problem many take aim at.

I don't even have doubt these same waitresses don't go out and tip the grocery store cashier likely making a worse wage. But heaven forbid if that same cahsier who makes the same or less, eats at their resteraunt and didn't tip them. Somehow the cahier is oh so evil for not tipping, but the waitress demanding $140 isnt? THAT is the attitude some take aim at.

If they were there for 2hrs, the waitress just made $35p/h taxe free not including other tables.
I thought that was decent.

they love that place, it's not even good

Im so glad more and more people with experience in the service industry are shifting careers

people wanna pay for high school level service? Let them.

BeantownHero posted...

Im so glad more and more people with experience in the service industry are shifting careers

people wanna pay for high school level service? Let them.

oh no what a threat the fucking horror

CrazyCal posted...

If they were there for 2hrs, the waitress just made $35p/h taxe free not including other tables.
I thought that was decent.

When typical tipping culture says it should be 140 on a 700 meal, and you miss out on possibly a second table, then no, it isn't good. In that time, assuming everything went right that person could have easily made 200 dollars.

Sexypwnstar posted...

oh no what a threat the fucking horror

so you think the restaurant industry would improve by having a bunch of high school kids making minimum wage as servers?

oh, and also the restaurant has to close at 8pm now cause thats the latest they can work