Current Events > Swedes will be 'sent to their deaths' if Sweden joins NATO, warns Moscow

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https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/29/swedes-will-be-sent-to-their-deaths-if-they-join-nato-warns-moscow

Finland and Sweden will become "targets" for Moscow if they join NATO, warned the Russian ambassador in Stockholm.
After their accession, "the total length of the borders between Russia and NATO will almost double", Ambassador Viktor Tatarintsev said on Tuesday.
"If it still seems to anyone that this will somehow improve Europe's security, rest assured that the new members of the hostile bloc will become a legitimate target for Russian retaliatory measures, including those of a military nature", he added.
Russia has repeatedly threatened the Nordic pair after they submitted bids to join the western military alliance last May, following the outbreak of war in Ukraine.
Though closely allied with NATO for more than two decades, the two were not formal members of the military alliance, and public opinion was firmly against joining.

That all changed after Russia invaded Ukraine, when public opinion swung dramatically in favour of joining NATO -- at one point topping 80% in Finland which shares a 1,300km border with Russia -- and nearing two-thirds support in Sweden, according to polls.
Under NATO rules, a country only becomes a full member when all 30 countries have ratified their applications.
Finland is now waiting for Turkey to ratify their bid to join NATO, something that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has promised to do.
Hungary, the only other country to drag its heels, ratified on Wednesday and is expected to drop the instrument of ratification in Washington DC on Friday.
As for Sweden, its candidacy is still in question. Ankara is currently blocking its entry, while Hungary is delaying ratification.
Both countries are widely seen as biding their time to extract political concessions from Stockholm, and in the case of Hungary, from the EU; while Turkey also hopes to leverage advantageous access to military programmes from the US.
However, officials in Sweden still hope to join before the next NATO summit in July in Lithuania.
But for the Russian ambassador in Stockholm, who was born in Kherson in present-day Ukraine, Sweden is taking "a step into the abyss" by wanting to become a member.
Criticising its "hasty" decision without a national referendum, he claimed the NATO command had "decided to enter fully into the conflict", creating risks for Sweden.
"In this case, the Swedes will undoubtedly be drawn in and sent to their deaths for the interests of others," Tatarintsev wrote.

I'm sure Sweden is shaking in their boots. /s

Maybe it's time for Scandinavia to resurrect the concept of Vikings?

I think we've reached the point where the limitless hot air Russia has for blustering to the world officially qualifies as a renewable energy resource.

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If Putin were to have a "brain hemorrhage" just like grandpappy Stalin, this ends immediately.

I'm not really all that familiar with the process of joining NATO but this article makes it sound like other countries are just allowed to demand bribes from prospective members and everyone is okay with that. Like, there's no reason Ankara should be able to block someone from joining

DipDipDiver posted...

Like, there's no reason Ankara should be able to block someone from joining

It's gotta be unanimous, and that always leads to opportunistic assholes.

oh no, Moscow is getting angy
me so scawed

Will this effect the price of meatballs at ikea

masterpug53 posted...

I think we've reached the point where the limitless hot air Russia has for blustering to the world officially qualifies as a renewable energy resource.

Qualifies as a measurable greenhouse gas...

Sweden was always a target for Russia. The Soviet Union had plans that detailed how neutral Sweden would be brought to heel with a few nuclear strikes had the cold war ever turned hot.

yeah, i remember listening to a documentary on the Cold war submarine threath a few years ago, and it mentioned that even though we considered purselves Neutral, Russia saw us as NATO-vassals pretty much from day one

Soviet had more detailed maps over Sweden than what the Swedish military had.

Quite hinged.

Pretty sure Putin is sending Russians to their deaths.. don't see how this is credible..

Foppe posted...

Soviet had more detailed maps over Sweden than what the Swedish military had.

this is just a rumor, i have no idea how to verify it, so 50/50 on whether it's true or not.
but i remember hearing once that at some point we bought some armored vehicles from one of the Soviet states, and in the last one to be delivered was just a map of one or several swedish military bases, in high detail. as just a final 'fuck you'

and DC-3'an, never forget

DipDipDiver posted...

I'm not really all that familiar with the process of joining NATO but this article makes it sound like other countries are just allowed to demand bribes from prospective members and everyone is okay with that. Like, there's no reason Ankara should be able to block someone from joining

For better or worse, because NATO is a military alliance that expects every member to actually mobilize in defense of any other member, you kind of need every current member to be 100% on board with a new country joining since you're also asking them to go and die for that country if it comes to it.

Granted, as other people have said this leads to opportunistic assholes trying to abuse that, but I don't disagree with the underlying logic of why you need unanimous support.

what happens if a NATO member attacks another NATO member?
like, say, Turkey attacks Greece?

or what happens if a NATO member suffers a civil war?
like USA probably any day now?

shut up Vlad.

Nato would wreck Russias shit lol

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I doubt it, what country would even side with Russia at this point seeing how incompetent they are.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/8/AAJHVqAAEVHI.jpg

I'm stealing that.

Seaman_Prime posted...

I doubt it, what country would even side with Russia at this point seeing how incompetent they are.

The entire world minus the Middle East vs China and Russia. Good luck in either of them wanting to fuck around with that lol. They might get North Korea and at that point South Korea will quickly handle them.

Seaman_Prime posted...

I doubt it, what country would even side with Russia at this point seeing how incompetent they are.

Depends if China sees it as an opportunity to expand their reach.

The bigger issue is whether Russia will try to take everyone else down with them with nukes.

ROBANN_88 posted...

what happens if a NATO member attacks another NATO member?
like, say, Turkey attacks Greece?

or what happens if a NATO member suffers a civil war?
like USA probably any day now?

presumably nato would defend the nation being invaded. idk about a civil war scenario, though i would imagine the leaders of nato countries would work something out as a consensus in theory

China wont dare support that shit they rely to much on the west for there economy they would die if they sided with russia plus they can swoop in and pick up the remnants of Russia after it collapses

Seaman_Prime posted...

I doubt it, what country would even side with Russia at this point seeing how incompetent they are.

CSTO

Considering what Swede resistance fighters are Finnish hunters did to nazis I dont think Putin knows what hes getting into

Gritty posted...

Considering what Swede resistance fighters are Finnish hunters did to nazis I dont think Putin knows what hes getting into

Did you have a stroke while writing the first half of your post?

Irony posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/8/AAJHVqAAEVHI.jpg

Fucking Pootin smh

Thompson posted...

Did you have a stroke while writing the first half of your post?

That are is clearly a misspelt and.