Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 5 - Oh, baby you bring out the devil inside me

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Fighters still participating in the King of Iron Fist Tournament VIII:
1) Abacus
2) Corrik
3) Death
4) Hb
5) IGCD
6) Isquen
7) Kirby
8) Lea
9) Lopen
10) MZero
11) Peaf
12) Plum
13) Red
14) Wallz

The Defeated:
LD1: Ulti - Jin Kazama - MISHIMA ZAIBATSU Roleblocker
KN1: Ben - Lars Alexandersson - TOWN Vanilla
KN1: SBell - Julia Chang - TOWN Vanilla

With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch. Day ends Monday at 7pm EST, a bit more than 15 hours from now.

Host now has that song stuck in his head, votals:
[4] Plum - Mzero, Abacus, Peaf, IGCD
[2] Corrik - Kirby
[2] Kirby - (Isquen), Lea, (Peaf), Corrik
[1] Isquen - (Corrik), Lopen, (Corrik)
[1] Lopen - Plum
[0] Lea - (Lopen), (IGCD), (Isquen)

Deleted post was just me updating votals, don't mind it and don't do it yourself.

Host now has that song stuck in his head, votals:
[4] Plum - Mzero, Abacus, Peaf, IGCD
[3] Corrik - Kirby, Isquen, Plum
[2] Kirby - (Isquen), Lea, (Peaf), Corrik
[1] Isquen - (Corrik), Lopen, (Corrik)
[0] Lopen - (Plum)
[0] Lea - (Lopen), (IGCD), (Isquen)

The only outcome that would make me feel good is if scum knows town doesnt have a cop somehow and so scum lopen claimed cop trying to bait a save.

This is an extremely unlikely option but literally the only one that would make me feel ok with what has been going on here

I came into today thinking Id likely vote Plum, not for his weak defense of Ulti but rather the combo of downplaying that defense and simultaneously scum hunting among everyone else who weakly defended Ulti. Mzero has done a nice job documenting this.

I still think lynching Plum is a solid option but this business overnight is an absolute mess and trying to untangle it deserves some prioritization.

Question, do we know how it generally works when an action is stolen? Lopens uncountered cop claim makes him look the most town of all parties involved but I dont follow Lopen saying hes convinced scum stole the result of his action but they would also believe his fake breadcrumbing of scanning Lea. If Lopen is telling the truth and hes right scum has the stealing ability, wouldnt they see he scanned red? Maybe I misunderstood something here.

Ironically, Corrik claims to be town who stole Lopens scan result on red. So while Im not sold on Isquen being scum, suddenly the randomness of Isquen claiming entirely unprompted and specifying he watched Lea does have an explanation, if town Corrik got the stolen result and therefore scum bought Lopens ploy to get in front of a scan on Lea?

Corrik seems the scummiest of all at a glance and it would be a helpful time for them to stop playing games. From his annoying one part is true post I infer he stole Lopens result and red is town.

I have to get to work but Im going to look back through it all when I can.

Isquen, why did you choose to claim unprompted when neither you or Lea were seemingly in any great danger of being lynched? I believe in your post you said if it helps helps what, exactly?

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Wall that was a joke by corrik

Though I guess I will engage.

Corrik, I want you to tell me why you are so sure there isn't a doctor

I didnt think Corrik was joking at all, but maybe it went over my head. Ill re-read later

I will laugh if corrik actually did steal the scan, played it off like a joke, and wall his teammate didn't realize it was being played like a joke because it actually happened and took it seriously.

Actually taking claims seriously is a scum tell in general.

Leaning scum on wall here.

wallmasterz posted...

I didnt think Corrik was joking at all, but maybe it went over my head. Ill re-read later

You missed the 3 laughing emoticons?

Pay attention to the context. Corrik says theyll give death info. Death asks if Corrik went to visit Lea. Corrik then says I went to Lopen. I stole his scan. It was scum.

Next post, Corrik is playing games but says one part is true, one part is false, one part could go either way. I dont think Corrik was joking about offering to give Death info and I dont think Corrik was joking about the true/false/? game, annoying though the cryptic delivery of info may be.

its completely up for debate if Corrik is telling the truth, but dont act like Im an idiot for thinking he was serious about at least part of his messages. I interpreted the crying laughing emojis as Corrik finding/pretending to find it was funny that theyre the one who stole Lopens scan result after all the back and forth.

I dont really get your attitude towards me this game plum, I guess it can be attributed to omgus since I expressed thinking youre a good lynch but there are four votes on you and none of them are me.

Oh I'm not thibking you are acting like an idiot.

I think you know too much

Whoops new topic

Lopen posted...

Wait what the heck I totally missed Isquen's claim

Why

I definitely buy lopen but this is so incredibly funny to me. Do we ever need more evidence that lopen can get overly focused on his perspective of the game?

Though that was pretty defensive. Is wall able to fake defensiveness as scum? Hmmm

wallmasterz posted...

I didnt think Corrik was joking at all, but maybe it went over my head. Ill re-read later

Jokes are hard, man. Happened to me too earlier.

The thing about Corrik is that his obtuse 'humor'is giving him an out in case Isquen dies and flips watcher.

He does not even want to lynch Isquen, so maybe I should just take from that Corrik is either still joking or that he at least did not visit Lea.

So can someone give me any plausible argument of how isquen could not be watcher

Are we postulating nobody visited Lea and he made it up? Thats impossible. That he is a scum watcher and claimed just because? Also unlikely?

Honestly my biggest fear is we are reverting back to the dark days of Corrik where he counter claimed the town cop as town vanilla

I assume he is past those times

Hell if I even accept Corriks post for a second (and I dont know why I even bother)
Then it can only logically follow that its true that he visited Lopen, that its false that he stole the result and that the scan on red could be going either way.

He did not even counter anyone directly is the thing.

htaeD posted...

Hell if I even accept Corriks post for a second (and I dont know why I even bother)
Then it can only logically follow that its true that he visited Lopen, that its false that he stole the result and that the scan on red could be going either way.

Obviously the one part he is lying about is he targeted Lea like he said earlier and stole her scan on red and its guilty

Duh

masterplum posted...

So can someone give me any plausible argument of how isquen could not be watcher

Are we postulating nobody visited Lea and he made it up? Thats impossible. That he is a scum watcher and claimed just because? Also unlikely?

Lea is prosty maybe?
Though that would have make Lea scum (which Lopen already claims to be true anyway)

masterplum posted...

Obviously the one part he is lying about is he targeted Lea like he said earlier and stole her scan on red and its guilty

Duh

But that defeats the part where one result could be going either way!
But yeah its probably pointless to discuss it

htaeD posted...

Lea is prosty maybe?
Though that would have make Lea scum (which Lopen already claims to be true anyway)

Not sure how Lea being scum matters here?

I cant get over the irony of Corrik going on about Isquen being anti-town and then acting how hes acted ever since.

Yeah and then he landed on... Kirby???

I mean, I and others obviously want Kirby lynched. Is he trying to get on a few good sides after rustling a lot of feathers?

Thats Corrik for ya

masterplum posted...

Not sure how Lea being scum matters here?

Because if she's scumprosty, Isquen would always know how to fake a watch on her.

Granted now that I typed it out, it seems like a plan that lasts just one night.

htaeD posted...

Hell if I even accept Corriks post for a second (and I dont know why I even bother)
Then it can only logically follow that its true that he visited Lopen, that its false that he stole the result and that the scan on red could be going either way.

That makes sense, yeah.

I think Isquen and Lea are both town, right now the biggest question mark around Isquen imo is why he claimed when there was no real need. Everyone was asking why?! and I think thats what we should still be asking literally. Granted I vaguely remember someone saying town power Isquen claiming unprompted is not unprecedented.

I dont know what to make of Corrik besides frustrating.

I think Isquen got excited and was caught up in being fancy with his info.

But he still hasn't said his result, which a lot of this hinges on. So it makes sense why lopen is so frustrated and felt the need to claim too. He needs the doc protection since scum knows what he is, and isquen claimed totally unprompted which puts lopen in a shitload of danger.

masterplum posted...

Actually taking claims seriously is a scum tell in general.

So plum what do you think of the claims by Lea, Isquen and Lopen

wallmasterz posted...

So plum what do you think of the claims by Lea, Isquen and Lopen

What did Lea claim again?

Do you... know what Lea is going to claim, wallz?

Well plum are you happy you made it to day 2, is this the kind of info you were hoping to have when you suggested nl on day 1?

Peace___Frog posted...

Well plum are you happy you made it to day 2, is this the kind of info you were hoping to have when you suggested nl on day 1?

Indeed

Im on mobile so forgive me for not having the exact verbiage and all, but Lea only claimed flavor. I know nothing about tekken but it was a name similar to hers (Leilei maybe?).

Peaf, I dont know Leas role but it would make some things a hell of a lot more simple if we did.

My point was twofold: to question plum saying believing claims tends to be a scum tell, and to get his genuine opinions. Im trying to decide who to vote for.

Isquen town

Lopen.... probably town

Why do you think an uncountered watcher claim is definitely town (less common role) and an uncountered cop claim (super common role) is only probably town?

wallmasterz posted...

Why do you think an uncountered watcher claim is definitely town (less common role) and an uncountered cop claim (super common role) is only probably town?

Because Isquens looks good and Lopen looks bad

The only thing throwing me off here is Corrik saying "Everyone knows Isquen is town" near the end there.

Like, is Corrik just trolling everyone and started shit for no reason or something

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf, I dont know Leas role but it would make some things a hell of a lot more simple if we did.

If you're asking Lea to claim, I don't think that's a good idea, and I am concerned that you are suggesting as much.

If I wanted Lea to claim her role I wouldve just asked directly. Theres no reason for her to give any additional info.

The questions I do have are trying to understand what Lopen was getting at with his whole charade of making scum think he scanned Lea when he also said he thinks scum stole his n1 action, and better understanding why Isquen claimed out of the blue.

Kirby321 posted...

The only thing throwing me off here is Corrik saying "Everyone knows Isquen is town" near the end there.

Like, is Corrik just trolling everyone and started shit for no reason or something

You and Corrik are both ignoring the fact uncountered cop claim Lopen has his vote on Isquen

wallmasterz posted...

You and Corrik are both ignoring the fact uncountered cop claim Lopen has his vote on Isquen

How is this relevant to anything?

Him being cop doesnt suddenly make his opinions any less ridiculous

What the hell happened to hb

Its not about the quality of the opinion - I agree being cop doesnt make your opinion good. But its factually wrong to say everyone thinks Isquen is town. I can believe Isquens claim and acknowledge Lopen doesnt.

Why are you bothered by this

masterplum posted...

Though I guess I will engage.

Corrik, I want you to tell me why you are so sure there isn't a doctor

Very easy to infer how I know that Plum. Think. I don't feel like saying outright.

wallmasterz posted...

I cant get over the irony of Corrik going on about Isquen being anti-town and then acting how hes acted ever since.

It doesn't matter. There isn't a doctor so Isquen protecting the "doctor" on Lea is garbage play. The person who went to Lea is scum.