Current Events > Chris Benoit's son David Benoit wants to wrestle as Chris Benoit Jr

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WBC_Injury posted...

Murder suicide is murder suicide. Kids dying is obviously worse but if a kid was present I'm pretty sure Belcher would have killed him too. Belcher's brain was extra mush by CTE standards as well. Wonder if there's a correlation?

OK. So now youre just showing you have no idea what youre talking about, because Belcher and Shepherds child was in the room when he killed her, as was Shepherds mother.

R_Jackal posted...

I want to clarify, I'm not saying he was completely innocent in what he did. A lot of things could've gone differently, many stemming from him just getting some proper medical care. I'm just saying it's fucked up that a kid who loves his father is likely going to be ostracized by the people who put his father in the condition that led to him doing what he did. It's an incredibly fucked up situation.

While you can make strong correlations, there's no proof his brain condition caused him to do what he did, and furthermore, if that's what it was, he made his own decisions throughout life. You can hardly blame the wrestling industry.

R_Jackal posted...

Honestly this is probably the truth, all things considered. The wrestling business is full of awful people, trying to build fame off of death(even murder) likely wouldn't even be a first there.

I don't think so

It's not like he's getting loads of attention and tons of bookings

I think it's needlessly cynical to assume this is a cash grab (with 0 cash) and not just legit love for his dad. He sounds so earnest

bigblu89 posted...

OK. So now youre just showing you have no idea what youre talking about, because Belcher and Shepherds child was in the room when he killed her, as was Shepherds mother.

Regardless, it's irrelevant. The acts are still very similar, and their brains were very similar. Not acknowledging this is equivalent of saying Benoit's wife was less of a victim.

voldothegr8 posted...

While you can make strong correlations, there's no proof his brain condition caused him to do what he did, and furthermore, if that's what it was, he made his own decisions throughout life. You can hardly blame the wrestling industry.

As someone who spent several years helping someone who had a TBI, I kinda do blame the industry that glorified blood and taking raw metal chairs shots straight to the head. The thing is we'll never know the actual reason so dancing around it could/couldn't be is moot. The only thing that can be said is the man needed help, and whether it be culture at the time, his brain, or whatever else, he never got it, as several people lost their lives as a result.

R_Jackal posted...

As someone who spent several years helping someone who had a TBI, I kinda do blame the industry that glorified blood and taking raw metal chairs shots straight to the head. The thing is we'll never know the actual reason so dancing around it could/couldn't be is moot. The only thing that can be said is the man needed help, and whether it be culture at the time, his brain, or whatever else, he never got it, as several people lost their lives as a result.

Another great take

WBC_Injury posted...

Regardless, it's irrelevant. The acts are still very similar, and their brains were very similar. Not acknowledging this is equivalent of saying Benoit's wife was less of a victim.

Well, its relevant when you say they did the same exact thing.

Im not trying to take blame away from the wrestling (or sports) industry. At all. But you refusing to put any blame on the person that ACTUALLY DID THE CRIME is mind blowing to me.

R_Jackal posted...

What he did was terrible, but at the same time it's kinda messed up to give a guy that was suffering from having so much brain trauma he just snapped a stigma forever, instead of treating it as a cautionary tale and tragedy.

He was a massive bully and abuser before the murders so take that into account as well.

I mean, that isn't a fair take. This is like saying Roger Goodell isn't responsible for a player's safety in the NCAA or other leagues. The WWE's success and culture trickles down to everything else, just like the NFL. Ultimately, when you're in charge of THE league of your profession, you should be the one focusing on safety, not relying on others to do it for you.

deanshow posted...

He was a massive bully and abuser before the murders so take that into account as well.

His wife called her family with concerns for her safety shortly before it happened IIRC.

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I... Didn't blame the WWE though? I've been blaming the wrestling industry and the culture behind it as a whole. My whole thing is the kid would likely be ostracized everywhere if he tries to wrestle as Chris Benoit Jr, aside from the smallest and most social media hungry promotions.

Also I absolutely do blame the WWE for Owen Harts death, no way they weren't at fault there.

Am I going to be the one to say it? Ok then.

Yikes.

WBC_Injury posted...

I mean, that isn't a fair take. This is like saying Roger Goodell isn't responsible for a player's safety in the NCAA or other leagues. The WWE's success and culture trickles down to everything else, just like the NFL. Ultimately, when you're in charge of THE league of your profession, you should be the one focusing on safety, not relying on others to do it for you.

But youre also putting zero blame on anything that happened to Benoits brain the decade and a half prior to WWE, where he was (arguably) doing more damage to his body in those 15 years because NJPW, WCW, and ECW all had wrestlers work a MUCH stronger and dangerous style than WWE was in the 90s, and all the blame on the 6 years in WWE.

You can make an argument that theres a lot of blame to be shared, but to say the blame is 100% on Vince/WWE just isnt fair.

Vince is no angel, but cmon now

From what I understand WWE staff advised him explicitly not to do his flying headbutt shit and he ignored them. If anything Vince tried to improve the situation. The characterization that Vince deliberately broke his mind is not accurate either. Benoit knowingly did dangerous things against the advice of health professionals completely voluntarily. There's an argument that Vince should have had a former stance on employees health for sure but at the end of the day Benoit did it to himself.

bigblu89 posted...

But youre also putting zero blame on anything that happened to Benoits brain the decade and a half prior to WWE, where he was (arguably) doing more damage to his body in those 15 years because NJPW, WCW, and ECW all had wrestlers work a MUCH stronger and dangerous style than WWE was in the 90s, and all the blame on the 6 years in WWE.

You can make an argument that theres a lot of blame to be shared, but to say the blame is 100% on Vince/WWE just isnt fair.

Vince is no angel, but cmon now

Again, the WWE's ethics and responsibilities trickle down to the smaller leagues. They lead by example.

This is a topic

This topic went exactly how I expected. Never change CE

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I don't think so

It's not like he's getting loads of attention and tons of bookings

I think it's needlessly cynical to assume this is a cash grab (with 0 cash) and not just legit love for his dad. He sounds so earnest

Doesn't matter how earnest he sounds. Kid needs to be self aware about how others perceive his dad inside and outside of wrestling, and how he will be perceived for and by taking on that name.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I think it's needlessly cynical to assume this is a cash grab (with 0 cash) and not just legit love for his dad. He sounds so earnest

Nah it's definitely a cash grab. No sane person would choose to go by the name of someone reviled like his father for any reason other than it would cause controversy and raise his profile

R_Jackal posted...

What he did was terrible, but at the same time it's kinda messed up to give a guy that was suffering from having so much brain trauma he just snapped a stigma forever, instead of treating it as a cautionary tale and tragedy.

The most disgusting thing I've read today.

WBC_Injury posted...

Aaron Hernandez
Jovan Belcher

Hernandez was just a straight up murderer who just happened to kill himself in prison because he got word that his college roommate outed Aaron as a closet gay. CTE had no bearing on his death. I will give you Jovan though. When Junior Seau committed suicide, he shot himself in the heart because he wanted everybody to know what CTE can do to the brain. Also. you can't blame Vince for Benoit's CTE. He was doing the flying headbutt since he went to New Japan early in his career. Harley Race told him to stop doing the headbutt or he will end up like Dynamite Kid. This was in WCW.

WizardofHoth posted...

So people think its ok for Jimmy Snuka to get high and involved with a young gal that was like 18 or 19 and did psycho stuff like threaten to kill her with a knife right in front of her sister while people automatically treat call Chris Benoit a monster?

This is the most random wtf post I've seen on ce maybe ever.

WizardofHoth is the most annoying troll on gamefaqs. It's deeply upsetting he isn't banned.

If you blame Vince, I think you have blame viewers/fans as well. We ate that shit up. Vince only gave people what they wanted. I dont think Benoit did anything that caused his CTE he wasnt doing before.

Are people ignoring the fact that he was abusive to Nancy before the murders? People are acting like he was a teddy bear prior to this.

Axiom posted...

Nah it's definitely a cash grab. No sane person would choose to go by the name of someone reviled like his father for any reason other than it would cause controversy and raise his profile

Unless they were that guys son.

And what profile or cash has been raised? He wasn't even the one who brought it up.

WBC_Injury posted...

Again, the WWE's ethics and responsibilities trickle down to the smaller leagues. They lead by example.

At the time Benoit was coming up, Id argue the opposite. Canada, NJPW, WCW, and especially ECW were allowing talent to do MUCH more dangerous things in-ring though most of the late 80s and 90s while Benoit was going through those territories.

You cant tell me ECW was following WWEs lead with the way they were letting wrestlers perform in the ring, nor in the way they oversaw the was wrestlers were taking care of themselves.

People are allowed to have opinions, but yours is one thats based on things that just simply arent true.

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You sure it was Ken who said that? I know that Mick Foley said something identical to that.

To clarify on my point again as maybe enlaborate some on the WWE part: The WWE has, surprisingly, been one of the more tame/safe wrestling federations for a long while, even while this was going on--they were more about show them gladiatorial combat. That's not to say they are safe, but...a safer option essentially. Wrestlers in general are poorly taken care of until very recent times.

NJPW and ECW especially at the time could put their talents through hell, and a lot of the time the talents would "just deal with it" in the healthy manor of painkillers, booze, and steroids to keep up to snuff.

Actually I know NJPW was extreme in it's past but I've no idea about this exact time frame if I'm being honest, so feel more than free to correct me.

I uh... I thought he was well, yknow.

Didn't realize he had more than one kid.

Nobody knew what was going on inside Benoit's head more than Benoit. Did he ever seek help for what he was going through? No.

Mental illness can be an explanation but it isn't an excuse.

hyperskate65 posted...

I uh... I thought he was well, yknow.

Didn't realize he had more than one kid.

Was from a previous marriage

R_Jackal posted...

What he did was terrible, but at the same time it's kinda messed up to give a guy that was suffering from having so much brain trauma he just snapped a stigma forever, instead of treating it as a cautionary tale and tragedy.

There's enough shoot interviews about Benoit that shed a light that he was a scumbag even before he "snapped"

We dont know if CTE caused him to do this but we do know that he killed his wife and disabled son.

WBC_Injury posted...

Why do we keep giving shitheads like McMahon a pass for letting someone's CTE get so bad that what they became didn't even resemble a half functioning human being anymore?

Same shit in the NFL. People will blame players for killing themselves but shift away blame from Goodell and the owners. You do realize they want you to do this, right?

Chris Benoit was not the man who murdered his wife and kids. Chris Benoit died years prior to that tragedy.

Worse than an 85 year old Alzheimer's patient. And the WWE forced him to take steroids.

mcmahon is shit but he isn't to blame for the benoit situation. benoit only wrestled for wwe in his later years after he would have sustained the vast majority of his brain damage. mcmahon has issues with general negligence but his role would be similar to that of the nfl commissioner at any given time.

also, benoit was an abusive shitbag for years before he murdered his family. he likely had cte for those years also but ultimately he decided to do that shit and he is the only one to blame for the murders.

there is a case to be made that wrestling executives fostered the kind of environment that could lead to that, but you can't absolve the murderer and just blame them entirely.

Back on topic, I dont think david Benoit is serious about being a wrestler

theres been news about him being interested in wrestling but I dont think hes taken the steps to actually do the heavy training

R_Jackal posted...

What he did was terrible, but at the same time it's kinda messed up to give a guy that was suffering from having so much brain trauma he just snapped a stigma forever, instead of treating it as a cautionary tale and tragedy.

He was an abusive asshole before he killed his wife and son

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Didn't know he said that. Thanks for the link.

Shamrock never was the smartest guy

cjsdowg posted...

He was an abusive asshole before he killed his wife and son

Funnily enough I just read a story the other day about how he hazed The Miz. Bullied him with some bullshit story that he made a mess when he ate chicken and that he's not allowed in the locker room anymore. Forcing him to change in places like janitors closets and making him use the public toilets.

WBC_Injury posted...

Chris Benoit died prior to that mass of flesh killing his family. I don't see the value in blaming a dead man for what a pile of flesh did.

What a moronic way to handwave murder.

...Well I guess there is no actual good way to do it.

Chris Benoit didnt do it it was Kevin sullivan

NinjaGhosts posted...

Chris Benoit didnt do it it was Kevin sullivan

No