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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:26:14 PM
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Confirm

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Turtlebread
04/09/23 2:27:06 PM
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CRON
04/09/23 2:27:50 PM
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C. I would have turned out significantly better if I wasn't an accidental child and had access to things like healthcare, but oh well.

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MedeaLysistrata
04/09/23 2:31:45 PM
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i'm not even a cause

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GS4Life
04/09/23 2:36:15 PM
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C I'm a real no where man sitting in his no where land making all his no where plans for nobody

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 2:37:06 PM
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Nah, I have more sense than to say something like that*, like you should.

*I have said something like that, during the darker times, but those pass.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:37:37 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
Nah, I have more sense than to say something like that, like you should.
I disagree. I'd say i'm being pretty realistic.

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 2:38:45 PM
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And you're straight up wrong.

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CaptainStrong
04/09/23 2:38:59 PM
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Absolutely!
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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:39:40 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
And you're straight up wrong.
Explain why i'm wrong, then, >.<

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 2:41:17 PM
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Because you're not a lost cause until you actually die. Until then, there are still moves and changes you can make. Just because you can't see them or think of them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:43:02 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
Because you're not a lost cause until you actually die. Until then, there are still moves and changes you can make. Just because you can't see them or think of them, doesn't mean they aren't there.
I appreciate that you actually answered me (because I wasn't even really expecting one), but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just can't think of path to ever actually changing anything in my life.

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 2:43:36 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
Because you're not a lost cause until you actually die. Until then, there are still moves and changes you can make. Just because you can't see them or think of them, doesn't mean they aren't there.


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Pepys_Monster
04/09/23 2:44:27 PM
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D, my old company commander could visit and get me back on track with a speech.

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KogaSteelfang
04/09/23 2:46:01 PM
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Yeah. It might be mostly because I've given up on myself, but I don't think a different attitude would actually change the situation.
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manhookcardoor
04/09/23 2:46:52 PM
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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 2:47:16 PM
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Deny, just keep improving yourself and things will happen. Don't give up >_>

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:47:29 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
Because you're not a lost cause until you actually die. Until then, there are still moves and changes you can make. Just because you can't see them or think of them, doesn't mean they aren't there.
Or maybe i've sat and thought about it over the years and i've arrived at the conclusion that those things don't exist.

When you look at it with your viewpoint, you've already tried to preempt any possible recourse without giving it any great thought.

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 2:48:58 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Or maybe i've sat and thought about it over the years and i've arrived at the conclusion that those things don't exist.

When you look at it with your viewpoint, you've already tried to preempt any possible recourse without giving it any great thought.

You think I haven't done the exact same thing?

Second part I didnt understand.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:50:46 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
You think I haven't done the exact same thing?

Second part I didnt understand.
I mean that you aren't really looking for a debate when you put it like that. If you don't take particulars into account, you've already propped yourself up to be right.

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 2:55:28 PM
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Yeah I used to believe that my specific cocktail of issues was impossible to work through too.

Then I grew up.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 2:57:17 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
Yeah I used to believe that my specific cocktail of issues was impossible to work through too.

Then I grew up.
Leveling an insult tells me you aren't gonna discuss this in good faith, so I guess there isn't a lot to say, >.<

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 3:01:08 PM
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It's not intended to be an insult. It's supposed to be a reality check.

But hell, if you want to take it as an insult, go ahead. Get angry. Get fucking pissed.

Maybe replacing this defeatist bullshit with anger will motivate you.

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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 3:02:27 PM
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You gotta keep going. If you stop and submit yourself to being a lost cause, then you'll stay that way >_> Change has to come from within and only you can make that happen. No one else can do that

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itachi15243
04/09/23 3:06:39 PM
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No, if anything I feel like a found cause. I'm not, because I was never a lost cause, but I sure as fuck used to feel like one. Even now, knowing that I'm going to great things I feel like a list cause a lot. It's hard to escape.

No one is really a lost cause though. No person is not worth something meaningful. Even if life feels like shit for years on end.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:12:22 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
It's not intended to be an insult. It's supposed to be a reality check.

But hell, if you want to take it as an insult, go ahead. Get angry. Get fucking pissed.

Maybe replacing this defeatist bullshit with anger will motivate you.
Nah, that didn't make me angry, >.< . That's just how I saw it.

I do have a lot to be angry about, but some of it isn't even about me in particular (like the rampant bigotry in society and how people like me are treated). I actually have some anger issues (anyone who has spent any real time talking to me has probably seen me get angry, and probably even at something relatively trivial), but nothing good would come from tapping into those. It's better just to focus it inward.

NeonTentacles posted...
You gotta keep going. If you stop and submit yourself to being a lost cause, then you'll stay that way >_> Change has to come from within and only you can make that happen. No one else can do that
That's the problem. I'm a fundamentally flawed person (a heavily flawed one, at that) and there's some things that nothing can fix.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:13:01 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
No one is really a lost cause though. No person is not worth something meaningful. Even if life feels like s*** for years on end.
I am. I've never been worth anything and never will be.

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ArchNemo
04/09/23 3:13:07 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
I actually have some anger issues (anyone who has spent any real time talking to me has probably seen me get angry, and probably even at something relatively trivial)

>.>

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PepsiWithCoke
04/09/23 3:15:56 PM
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CRON posted...
C. I would have turned out significantly better if I wasn't an accidental child and had access to things like healthcare, but oh well.


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Heartomaton
04/09/23 3:17:15 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
but nothing good would come from tapping into those. It's better just to focus it inward.

That's the problem. I'm a fundamentally flawed person (a heavily flawed one, at that) and there's some things that nothing can fix.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:17:57 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
https://youtu.be/WrjwaqZfjIY
Ok

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 3:18:24 PM
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No it isn't.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:19:16 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
No it isn't.
You aren't really giving me anything to respond to, so I don't know what else to say, >.<

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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 3:23:25 PM
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Never give up. Keep improving your skills and your studies and don't get complacent. Don't be a person that just bitches about a bad situation and then does nothing to take matters into their own hands. Opportunities will arise from your self-improvement and hard work. No bullshit: it's never too late to do anything

Stay off the crack, drink chocolate milk, enjoy boobs, that's all I got >_> Seriously you can do it. But you gotta do it. You'll just stay the same forever otherwise.

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 3:24:29 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
You aren't really giving me anything to respond to, so I don't know what else to say, >.<

You could accept me being right.

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CRON
04/09/23 3:25:38 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
Never give up. Keep improving your skills and your studies and don't get complacent. Don't be a person that just bitches about a bad situation and then does nothing to take matters into their own hands. Opportunities will arise from your self-improvement and hard work. No bullshit: it's never too late to do anything
You're not wrong at all but when you're poor it's borderline impossible, especially these days. I have considerable strengths and good qualities but they're null and void because I'm doomed to being broke forever.

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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 3:32:53 PM
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10 years ago I was making $25k and had -$12 in my bank account at one point. But just improving my skills and studying and applying myself I got a new job and now I make like $110k a year. You can do it. It's never too late.

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CRON
04/09/23 3:34:02 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
10 years ago I was making $25k and had -$12 in my bank account at one point. But just improving my skills and studying and applying myself I got a new job and now I make like $110k a year. You can do it. It's never too late.
I'm assuming you were able to go to college?

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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 3:38:53 PM
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CRON posted...
I'm assuming you were able to go to college?
for a bit. I still dont have my degree and I had to pay for my own classes 1 at a time after I was full time for a couple of years because that's all I could afford. I'm actually still working on finishing my degree right now >_>

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CRON
04/09/23 3:40:09 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
for a bit. I still dont have my degree and I had to pay for my own classes 1 at a time because that's all I could afford. I'm actually working on finishing it right now >_>
I can't find any decent work in my area because even the shittiest entry-level jobs, even data processing, either require a degree and/or years of experience in said field. Retail and food service jobs in my are aren't offering full-time hours either so I can't even get benefits.

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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 3:42:22 PM
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What about a trade school?

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:46:41 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
Never give up. Keep improving your skills and your studies and don't get complacent. Don't be a person that just bitches about a bad situation and then does nothing to take matters into their own hands. Opportunities will arise from your self-improvement and hard work. No bullshit: it's never too late to do anything

Stay off the crack, drink chocolate milk, enjoy boobs, that's all I got >_> Seriously you can do it. But you gotta do it. You'll just stay the same forever otherwise.
You don't know anything about me to be able to say that, though.

Heartomaton posted...
You could accept me being right.
But you're not. I haven't seen any proof.

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NeonTentacles
04/09/23 3:48:29 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
You don't know anything about me to be able to say that, though.
Then you'll stay in the same situation forever I guess. Dont let some clown who calls himself a Titty Meister on some internet message board surpass you >_> Only you have the power to change you

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 3:49:25 PM
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I've provided the same amount of evidence that you have. At least I'm being logical.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:50:15 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
I've provided the same amount of evidence that you have. At least I'm being logical.
I wouldn't call it logical to jump to a conclusion without having any information to get to it.

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random_man9119
04/09/23 3:50:19 PM
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Oh yeah, definitely...

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gildedwings
04/09/23 3:51:21 PM
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I'm trying. Even if and when my time is up, I would want to be free and have the power to protect. As my role model once said "Just one thing they'll never take, just one thing I will protect beyond death."

Note: I am not saying I will die. I mean we all die eventually, so eventually I will probably die. Unless I get super powers, that would be rad.

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Heartomaton
04/09/23 3:51:46 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
I wouldn't call it logical to jump to a conclusion without having any information to get to it.

It's got a stronger logical basis than your fatalistic nonsense does.

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GrandConjuraton
04/09/23 3:52:41 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
It's got a stronger logical basis than your fatalistic nonsense does.

GrandConjuraton posted...
Ok


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AmericaTheBrave
04/09/23 3:52:58 PM
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D.

But you, TC, are a lost cause. People have been giving you advice on how to change your situation for years. But not only do you not try them, you actively don't consider them. Just say "nope, that won't work" and that's the end of that. Can't help people who won't help themselves.

You are a lost cause only because you believe yourself to be. And if you believe you are, you'll become one. Self fulfilling prophecy and all that.

So if you want to be a lost cause, well, ok then. You are a lost cause.

Not trying to be mean, but it's time someone was straight with you.

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