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ChaosTonyV4
04/12/23 6:45:15 PM
#51:


KamikazePotato posted...
Side note: what happens if you manage to die early in the game before the statue links you?

No spoilers but

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
You aint seen nothing yet, lol.


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XIII_Rocks
04/12/23 7:37:39 PM
#52:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
No spoilers but

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
You aint seen nothing yet, lol.

Triggering that accidentally is one of the scariest things ever in a videogame

I literally threw down the controller and was like "I'm sorry I'm sorry"

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TotallyNotMI
04/12/23 7:41:43 PM
#53:


KamikazePotato posted...
Side note: what happens if you manage to die early in the game before the statue links you?
I did this on my first time playing with Han and Hombad watching...

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hombad46
04/12/23 7:48:57 PM
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Oops!

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HanOfTheNekos
04/12/23 7:58:56 PM
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I feel like most people do that the first time lol

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HanOfTheNekos
04/12/23 7:59:22 PM
#56:


I fell in the geyser and drowned
My girlfriend launched from the geyser and died to fall damage

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KamikazePotato
04/12/23 11:07:51 PM
#57:


Think I need a hint.

Pretty stumped on two things:

  1. How to get to the center of Ash Twin
  2. How to get to the Black Hole Forge
I've explored...basically everywhere else, including the Quantum Moon. And there's almost no points of interest left for me to track down. I know it probably involves teleportation, like at White Hole Station but I'm not sure how to get any of those sites I find to work.

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hombad46
04/12/23 11:36:23 PM
#58:


A hint about those... how about:

The other teleporters are already on, in case you think you need to turn them on.

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KamikazePotato
04/12/23 11:38:40 PM
#59:


hombad46 posted...
A hint about those... how about:

The other teleporters are already on, in case you think you need to turn them on.
I've stood on them for a long time without it ever teleporting me, though. Figured I needed to wait until the planets aligned or something but no dice.

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guffguy89
04/12/23 11:39:47 PM
#60:


To answer your question without giving away any story spoilers: You probably noticed by now that as the ash planet loses sand, a group of buildings connected by a bridge slowly appears. Each of those buildings have a teleportation stand that allows you to teleport to a different location. The mechanics of teleportation in the game involve standing on the special teleportation flooring tiles and then looking up. When the planet you are supposed to teleport to intersects with the crosshairs, then you teleport to that location.

Slightly more detailed spoilers on how to get to center of ash twin if you need the help: For ash twin, this is a little difficult because you don't want to get sucked up by the sandstorm, but that's exactly when the planet crosses the teleportation point. You'll want to find some nearby cover and time your jump on the teleportation platform at just the right moment. Dont forget to look up.

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 12:06:08 AM
#61:


That did it, thanks.

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 12:18:30 AM
#62:


The Interloper broke my damn ship while I was in autopilot! Guess its name is well-deserved.

This is cosmic revenge for me bumping the satellite that creates my map out of orbit a few cycles ago.

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tcaz2
04/13/23 12:20:59 AM
#63:


Yeah the autopilot doesn't work sometimes lol
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XIII_Rocks
04/13/23 12:22:52 AM
#64:


Wow, you really powered through this. You did all of the Quantum Moon?

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Kenri
04/13/23 1:30:12 AM
#65:


tcaz2 posted...
Yeah the autopilot doesn't work sometimes lol
The very first time I played Outer Wilds, after doing the tutorial, I got in the ship, turned on autopilot, and it flew me directly into the sun.

Put the game down for a few months after that lmao

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 1:40:55 AM
#66:


XIII_Rocks posted...
Wow, you really powered through this. You did all of the Quantum Moon?
Yup

This Sun Station jump is...not easy

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guffguy89
04/13/23 2:02:44 AM
#67:


thats nothing compared to the playstation trophy associated with that: getting into the sun station not using the teleporter (i.e. flying/landing there and entering the hole.)

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Kenri
04/13/23 2:32:09 AM
#68:


KamikazePotato posted...
This Sun Station jump is...not easy
I had a ton of trouble with this too, even when looking up tips/videos on how to do it. Wish I could give advice but even when I finally got it it was really sloppy, basically just luck.

Some people swear it's super easy though.

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 2:43:57 AM
#69:


...There's DLC?

Should I do it?

Kenri posted...
I had a ton of trouble with this too, even when looking up tips/videos on how to do it. Wish I could give advice but even when I finally got it it was really sloppy, basically just luck.

Some people swear it's super easy though.
On my 4th attempt I overshot it then somehow course corrected onto the top of the structure, then finagled my way into the opening using a series of maneuvers I honestly don't think I'd be able to replicate if I was given ten more tries.

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Paratroopa1
04/13/23 2:48:14 AM
#70:


KamikazePotato posted...
Should I do it?
Yes. (Don't start a new file.)
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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 3:03:30 AM
#71:


Alright, I think I've explored everything in the universe except for achieving an ending. Which would mean taking the core through...the last section of Dark Bramble.

...DLC it is! Not tonight though, it's late. Some quick comments on the story:

The Nomai NOT being responsible for the sun exploding was a legitimately shocking plot twist.

I really like how the different Nomai generations are characterized. The early ones are arrogant, whimsical, basically treating the universe as their playbox to do science experiments. They believe that the Eye of the Universe is calling them, specifically, because they're special. The later ones are much less confident in themselves; having seen their predecessors fail. They wonder if all of this is worth it, and they recognize that the universe doesn't particularly care about them one way or another.

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 3:10:43 AM
#72:


Overall thoughts so far.

This is a very good game. The universe they've created is packed with cool vistas and concepts. Story comes together in an absolutely fascinating way. The feeling you get when you connect-the-dots of info you learned between different planets a dozen loops apart is phenomenal.

If I had one complaint, it's that there's a few too many instances where the answer to a problem is 'restart a loop and wait 10+ minutes'. When combined with actions that might not be easy to complete right away (such as the Sun Station jump), numerous attempts can get tedious. Thankfully there isn't TOO much of this.

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Kenri
04/13/23 3:31:05 AM
#73:


I think I mostly agree with your thoughts. The way the mysteries tie together is really top notch. I wasn't a fan of the twist you mentioned previously though, to me it feels very random and unbelievable, especially when compared to how seamlessly everything else fits together. Not saying the Nomai should have been responsible but the actual reveal just feels unsatisfying.

I definitely agree that "restart and wait 10+ minutes" becomes a problem at certain points in the game. It really could've used a "start loop at X planet, Y minutes in" option, though I understand that they probably didn't want to break the immersion by allowing that.

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Paratroopa1
04/13/23 4:06:38 AM
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Oh, I would personally wait to do the DLC until after you beat the game. Kinda up to you.
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guffguy89
04/13/23 4:07:14 AM
#75:


some silly misconceptions I had early on: I landed on and investigated the comet pretty early on and then I saw the comet crash into the sun. Stupid me thought the dangerous matter in the comet was still there and it crashing into the sun ignited the ghost matter bomb and destroyed the sun.

Before I did that though, for the longest time i had no idea the sun exploding was even causing the loop. Through a mixture of early deaths or always being indoors when the timer was up, I never actually saw it, and was confused at how I would sometimes randomly die. I eventually figured out that the special music would start right before this random death. The next loop after that I finally figured it out and saw the explosion.

one of my favorite lore reveals:one of my biggest woah moments was when I discovered that the loop didn't start when you became aware of it, but rather it's being going for millions of loops already.

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 4:11:03 AM
#76:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Oh, I would personally wait to do the DLC until after you beat the game. Kinda up to you.
I kinda assumed that with this type of game, once I got a definitive ending I wouldn't be able to go back to that save file.

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Paratroopa1
04/13/23 4:40:46 AM
#77:


KamikazePotato posted...
I kinda assumed that with this type of game, once I got a definitive ending I wouldn't be able to go back to that save file.
It'll be fine, one way or another

I just say that because the DLC is not short
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tcaz2
04/13/23 4:46:09 AM
#78:


Well the game can be beaten at any time upon starting a new game because of how its structured, so it doesn't really matter.

I think doing the DLC now is fine if you want to. You definitely want to wait until you've done everything else in the base game though before doing the DLC at all (ie you don't want to accidentally stumble onto it before learning everything else).

Also you mentioned you did the Quantum Moon but did you go to the 6th location?
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LightningStrikes
04/13/23 5:12:22 AM
#79:


There is a particular reason I think you should do the DLC before the ending though after everything else in the game but its kind of a spoiler. However be warned, the DLC has effectively a full sequels worth of content in it.

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 5:15:09 AM
#80:


Yeah I generally am not a fan of doing DLC after getting an ending (I like putting a game down once the credits roll) so I'll do the DLC first.

LightningStrikes posted...
However be warned, the DLC has effectively a full sequels worth of content in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1qju6V1jLM


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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 5:24:16 AM
#81:


tcaz2 posted...
Also you mentioned you did the Quantum Moon but did you go to the 6th location?

Yes. Made a friend, too.

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Paratroopa1
04/13/23 5:26:04 AM
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Doing the DLC first is fine, I just think it's momentum killing to do it before finishing off the main game haha
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masterplum
04/13/23 6:39:01 AM
#83:


I would just finish the game first

I like the DLC but it has some pacing issues

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WazzupGenius00
04/13/23 7:10:03 AM
#84:


Roll credits first

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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/23 7:15:10 AM
#85:


I'm also team "beat the game" first. I understand wanting to leave it after the credits - but the way the DLC adds is like an expansion/sequel.

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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/23 7:15:39 AM
#86:


But do what you want! That's the cool thing about Outer Wilds - everyone's experience is unique.

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MysteriousStan
04/13/23 7:17:29 AM
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One of the things I really love is how unwieldy the controls are in the beginning leading to several of my deaths. But the more I died the easier the controls became and eventually pretty much mastered them. I bet it was very shocking for them to see your character hop in the spaceship for the "first" time and fly the spaceship masterfully. Not everyone likes that but it really gave me a "Edge of Tomorrow" vibe.

In regards to the "wait 10 minutes" for things to happen issue...you can mitigate that somewhat by taking a nap to speed up the timer. Believe you can do this at any campsite but I usually did this at the beginning of my loops on Timber Hearth.
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LightningStrikes
04/13/23 7:54:02 AM
#88:


My justification for doing the DLC before the ending is (no specific spoilers but structural stuff):

The DLC is entirely nestled within the game itself, chronologically before the ending and also adds to the ending, so you will want to do the ending after you do the DLC. However, the ending sequence is a challenge and it can be frustrating to do it again.

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foolm0r0n
04/13/23 10:24:20 AM
#89:


Definitely do the ending first. The pacing is absolutely perfect the way it was originally designed. The DLC does ruin the pacing a lot.


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foolm0r0n
04/13/23 10:34:49 AM
#90:


Kenri posted...
I wasn't a fan of the twist you mentioned previously though
I don't see how. The key thing is that the time loop is powered by a supernova. So the Nomai did plan for the supernova and it fit perfectly in the timeline. It's just that they had to wait millions of years. For the player character it's a total coincidence they were born near the supernova time and saw the statue 22 minutes before, which adds to the overall theme of being totally unimportant but also the most important piece of the puzzle.

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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/23 10:57:46 AM
#91:


I'll echo what fool just said (don't read this KP until you beat the game)

the reveal of the supernova is probably the most important thing in the story - along with noticing all of the other ones going out (something you can see literally from first loop). The game never hides that the universe is dying - but hope drives you to fix things - but you can't. Death is inevitable. You can't stop it.

That's too important to the themes of the game to lose

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KamikazePotato
04/13/23 12:20:28 PM
#92:


tcaz2 posted...
Yeah the autopilot doesn't work sometimes lol
To clarify on my previous anecdote - the autopilot was working fine. I wasn't traveling to the Interloper. I was traveling somewhere else and it looped in from the side and completely blindsided my ship. Rude.

That silly asteroid got lot less silly once I learned that it killed all the Nomai.

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CoolCly
04/13/23 1:46:55 PM
#93:


The main thing about the DLC is that it's a very long self contained area separate from everything else which makes it not fit very well to suddenly be separated from all these interconnected pieces just because you ended up in the DLC. That makes doing it in the normal playthrough not great

I'd still say do the ending but if you are ready to go to the ending and want to take that long detour right now before the ending, this probably is the best time to do that.

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TotallyNotMI
04/13/23 2:18:50 PM
#94:


Beat the game, watch the ending, do the DLC, beat the game again and watch the ending again.

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Kenri
04/13/23 3:34:26 PM
#95:


foolm0r0n posted...
I don't see how. The key thing is that the time loop is powered by a supernova. So the Nomai did plan for the supernova and it fit perfectly in the timeline. It's just that they had to wait millions of years. For the player character it's a total coincidence they were born near the supernova time and saw the statue 22 minutes before, which adds to the overall theme of being totally unimportant but also the most important piece of the puzzle.
Don't read this KP (it's probably fine actually, I think you know it all already but just in case):

I just think "the whole universe is way older than we thought it was and we just missed that all of it is dying, coincidentally right now" is like. Nonsense. Thematically it's fine. As the solution to a big mystery you spent most of the game trying to figure out I thought it was extremely unsatisfying, especially considering that every other mystery in the game has an answer that I find very clever and fitting.

To be clear I'd have been fine with "this one specific star just happens to be dying right now". I don't think that twist scales up very well though.

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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/23 3:40:52 PM
#96:


Kenri posted...
Don't read this KP (it's probably fine actually, I think you know it all already but just in case):

I just think "the whole universe is way older than we thought it was and we just missed that all of it is dying, coincidentally right now" is like. Nonsense. Thematically it's fine. As the solution to a big mystery you spent most of the game trying to figure out I thought it was extremely unsatisfying, especially considering that every other mystery in the game has an answer that I find very clever and fitting.

To be clear I'd have been fine with "this one specific star just happens to be dying right now". I don't think that twist scales up very well though.

That the game puts you in the position of thinking your goal is to stop the supernova and then learning you can't is one of the most clever things it does, though.

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MacArrowny
04/13/23 3:59:10 PM
#97:


Kenri posted...


I just think "the whole universe is way older than we thought it was and we just missed that all of it is dying, coincidentally right now"
Who is "we"? The Hearthians not noticing the universe is ending feels perfectly reasonable. The Nomai knew it was ending - that's the main reason they wanted to find the Eye, so they could stop it from ending.

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Kenri
04/13/23 4:00:17 PM
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I'm fine with that part of it!

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Kenri
04/13/23 4:02:38 PM
#99:


MacArrowny posted...
Who is "we"? The Hearthians not noticing the universe is ending feels perfectly reasonable. The Nomai knew it was ending - that's the main reason they wanted to find the Eye, so they could stop it from ending.
The former. *shrug* I don't think it makes sense.

Gonna stop talking about this now though cause I don't think I'm going to be convinced and it's venturing into "we might spoil something for KP on accident" territory.

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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/23 4:03:50 PM
#100:


Kenri posted...
The former. *shrug* I don't think it makes sense.

Gonna stop talking about this now though cause I don't think I'm going to be convinced and it's venturing into "we might spoil something for KP on accident" territory.

But Chert literally is figuring it out during the course of the game

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