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Ive seen so many be like Cant wait for someone to break into my house so I can shoot them.

Gun culture in the US is disgusting. Gun shooting as a sport is fucking insane. Only in the US can we take a deadly weapon, claim its a sport, then cry and complain when people try to make the world around us a safer place.

https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY

Chrknu posted...

https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY

I saw this when it aired. Talk about cringe holy shit

Todays the daaaay!

What is the best argument for not having any regulations on guns? What would be a good faith argument?

Is it the idea that if the state can regulate it, they will have too much power? Is it a free market argument?

I don't understand how someone can admit that guns are involved, directly or indirectly, in the problem, but be so adamant that regulation can only make it worse.

Chrknu posted...

What is the best argument for not having any regulations on guns? What would be a good faith argument?

Muh freedumb!!1!

Chrknu posted...

What is the best argument for not having any regulations on guns? What would be a good faith argument?

Is it the idea that if the state can regulate it, they will have too much power? Is it a free market argument?

I don't understand how someone can admit that guns are involved, directly or indirectly, in the problem, but be so adamant that regulation can only make it worse.

they dont care that it gets worse. Gun nuts care more about their hobby and freedoms than peoples lives. Specifically, kids lives.

Chrknu posted...

What is the best argument for not having any regulations on guns? What would be a good faith argument?

Depends on what regulations you have in mind. Not that any of them will matter to crinimals or stupid and irresponsible people in general.

Some drivers cant wait to run someone over

Ive seen so many be like Cant wait for someone to cut me off so I can run them over

car culture in the US is disgusting. Car driving as a sport is fucking insane. Only in the Uk can we take a deadly weapon, claim its a sport, then cry and complain when people try to make the world around us a safer place.

Think about it, having a gun must be like having the Nintendo Wii Zapper attachment but there are no useful games to use it in.

R1masher posted...

Some drivers cant wait to run someone over

Ive seen so many be like Cant wait for someone to cut me off so I can run them over

car culture in the US is disgusting. Car driving as a sport is fucking insane. Only in the Uk can we take a deadly weapon, claim its a sport, then cry and complain when people try to make the world around us a safer place.

you think youre being witty but cars arent designed to be weapons of mass murder and no one in their right mind thinks cant wait for someone to cut me off so I can run them down because everyones too scared to get shot.

people in my city are warned to not even honk at others because road rage shootings are so common.

try harder next time bud

Americans are fucking crazy.

nononom0use123 posted...

no one in their right mind thinks cant wait for someone to cut me off so I can run them down because everyones too scared to get shot.

Score one for guns.

Prismsblade posted...

Depends on what regulations you have in mind. Not that any of them will matter to crinimals or stupid and irresponsible people in general.

I don't know. Something similar to a drivers license or something, I guess? I don't live in america, so I don't really have to worry much about these things. Just analyzing it from the outside.

What makes you say that it won't matter to criminals or stupid/irresponsible people? I heard that both Switzerland and Australia (brought up in gun control videos) are examples where regulation seems to not support that statement. Are there any examples where regulation have made it worse or no change?

How dare people drive cars in countries with so few guns?

shnangyboos posted...

Score one for guns.

ehh doesnt stop assholes from shooting at someone else in a car because of road rage and anger

I know, I was being a smartass.

Chrknu posted...

I don't know. Something similar to a drivers license or something, I guess? I don't live in america, so I don't really have to worry much about these things. Just analyzing it from the outside.

What makes you say that it won't matter to criminals or stupid/irresponsible people? I heard that both Switzerland and Australia (brought up in gun control videos) are examples where regulation seems to not support that statement. Are there any examples where regulation have made it worse or no change?

nah gun nuts claim firearms licenses infringe on their rights to own guns.

just like how they claim not allowing those with mental health issues to own guns is infringing on their right to own guns

basically anything that prevents mass murders infringes on their right to own guns

R1masher posted...

Some drivers cant wait to run someone over

Ive seen so many be like Cant wait for someone to cut me off so I can run them over

car culture in the US is disgusting. Car driving as a sport is fucking insane. Only in the Uk can we take a deadly weapon, claim its a sport, then cry and complain when people try to make the world around us a safer place.

Maybe we should heavily regulate cars so you require a license in order to drive them. A license that you can only earn after passing a test proving your capability of handling a car. And then police could regularly monitor the drivers for breaking safety regulations and fine them or even revoke that license if needed.

Hornezz posted...

Maybe we should heavily regulate cars so you require a license in order to drive them. A license that you can only earn after passing a test proving your capability of handling a car. And then police could regularly monitor the drivers for breaking safety regulations and fine them or even revoke that license if needed.

We should ban cars with automatic windows, high capacity tanks and anything over 250 horsepower.

Chrknu posted...

I don't know. Something similar to a drivers license or something, I guess? I don't live in america, so I don't really have to worry much about these things. Just analyzing it from the outside.

A permit of sorts with classes and a test to become eligible is something I agree with and thought about. The problem is that it disproportionately affects the lower classes. So framing it in a way that doesn't seem like it's targeting them would be problematic to say the least.

Chrknu posted...

What makes you say that it won't matter to criminals or stupid/irresponsible people? I heard that both Switzerland and Australia (brought up in gun control videos) are examples where regulation seems to not support that statement. Are there any examples where regulation have made it worse or no change?

I said it based purely on what I know of the US.

I don't know very much about those country's, what works for them, why, they're laws, goverment, or even if theyre regulations will work 1-1.

But based on the little I do know, we're nothing like them, at all.

well it's something they invested in, pretty sure if you bought something, you'd wanna use it

imagine investing in guns/rockets/missiles/nukes and not use them >_>

Prismsblade posted...

A permit of sorts with classes and a test to become eligible is something I agree with and thought about. The problem is that it disproportionately affects the lower classes. So framing it in a way that doesn't seem like it's targeting them would be problematic to say the least.

I said it based purely on what I know of the US.

I don't know very much about those country's, what works for them, why, they're laws, goverment, or even if theyre regulations will work 1-1.

But based on the little I do know, we're nothing like them, at all.

I understand that there are major cultural differences, but aren't the signs all there that making guns a little harder for unstable people to get, lowers the risk of wrongful shootings? Don't you guys have like daily to weekly shootings - What else can be reasonably more or equally effective as regulating guns, seeing it had yielded positive results in other countries?

I mean, even if the scale is just 25:1, it would still be a huge impact, especially in the long run. And then you have more data on what works and what doesn't.

Chrknu posted...

What makes you say that it won't matter to criminals or stupid/irresponsible people? I heard that both Switzerland and Australia (brought up in gun control videos) are examples where regulation seems to not support that statement. Are there any examples where regulation have made it worse or no change?

The difference is that neither Switzerland nor Australia have ever had to deal with America's stupid as hell gun culture, nor have they had to deal with massive cartel/smuggling rings right next door, more than willing to supply a massive black market.

The reality in the US is that we have 400 million guns already out in the wild, many unregistered, untracked, and no way to deal with them. Even if we implemented a buyback program like has been done in other countries, our ridiculously "rah rah mah freedums" culture is going to prevent the exact people we want to turn them in from doing so. Especially for the "$25 and a sundae" price that our dipshit government would almost assuredly go with.

And even if it was more successful than any buyback program in history and we somehow got 150 million guns off the streets... there would still be 250 million left. Like, the sheer extent of the problem is absolutely MASSIVE.

And any more aggressive gun seizure will literally cause a civil war. Straight up. The headlines the next day would read "tens of thousands dead in shootouts with federal officers." Because our gun culture teaches that it is better to literally die fighting the government rather than surrender a single gun, and tens of millions of people believe it to a religious degree.

The fact is that America ISNT England, Australia, or Switzerland. An INCREDIBLY, VIOLENTLY disagreeable populace makes most of the tangible, radical reforms nigh on impossible.

The best we can do is implement better background checks to stop any more guns from getting into the wild; but with 400 million already out there, unmonitored, that barely qualifies as stopping the bleeding.

And before anyone comes at me with "well, clearly the answer is to do NOTHING according to you," shove it. I'm in full support of whatever stricter gun controls we want to implement, because no amount of guns is worth even a single dead kid. That doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the very real cultural, logistical, and yes, uniquely American problems we're facing

rexcrk posted...

Muh freedumb!!1!

Criminals don't care about the law. They will have access to any and all fire arms. Limiting law abiding citizens access to firearms limits their ways to defend themselves.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Criminals don't care about the law. They will have access to any and all fire arms. Limiting law abiding citizens access to firearms limits their ways to defend themselves.

why have a constitution if people break the law anyways?

why enforce drivers licenses if people drive illegally anyways?

why have rules when people break them anyways?

you do see how fucking dumb that logic is right?

there are estimated 100-140million gun owners in the US (tho no real accurate numbers exist). Theres bound to be some bad ones in the bunch, but "some" does not equal most especially when (again, roughly) those "some" tend to amount to .001% that would do something nefarious with them and most of those ones wouldnt have much trouble getting one, especially in this day and age anyway with the internet and 3d printing being a thing, let alone the US already having access to literally half of the entire worlds small arms.

Chrknu posted...

What is the best argument for not having any regulations on guns? What would be a good faith argument?

Is it the idea that if the state can regulate it, they will have too much power? Is it a free market argument?

I don't understand how someone can admit that guns are involved, directly or indirectly, in the problem, but be so adamant that regulation can only make it worse.

I remember when the Uvalde shooting happened, and everyone at work was coming up with all of these solutions to where it wouldn't have happened. And then I said "well, they could always make it harder to get a gun" and was immediately met with "WELL THEN ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS!"
I told them that was clearly not what I said and they didn't say anything back.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Criminals don't care about the law. They will have access to any and all fire arms. Limiting law abiding citizens access to firearms limits their ways to defend themselves.

This is such a horseshit argument lmao.

Might as well not have any laws at all with this logic.

Lawabiding citizen has no guns. Criminals walks in with a gun.

Have to hide and hope police arrive in time :C

Murphiroth posted...

This is such a horseshit argument lmao.

Might as well not have any laws at all with this logic.

Always makes me laugh every time I read it. No way people actually believe something that fucking stupid

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Lawabiding citizen has no guns. Criminals walks in with a gun.

Have to hide and hope police arrive in time :C

Funny how this isn't the case literally anywhere else in the world with strict gun laws

Almost like those laws when PROPERLY implemented make it harder for criminals to get the guns, too.

It's literally only america where just WANTING one makes it basically a foregone conclusion that you'll get one.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

Funny how this isn't the case literally anywhere else in the world with strict gun laws.

Dude doesnt care. He just wants everyone to have guns so he can justify his hobby that kills people every second of every day.

so what about population control? only workers can have access to hunting rifles to hunt down game to keep the deer/rabbit/invasive species in check?

Like the guy that bitch governor abbott pardoned?

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

so what about population control? only workers can have access to hunting rifles to hunt down game to keep the deer/rabbit/invasive species in check?

Do hunters need AR-15s to shoot a deer?

Responsible firearm owners are prepared to protect themselves should the situation arise.

DCinGA posted...

Responsible firearm owners are prepared to protect themselves should the situation arise.

And gun worshipping nuts are eager to live out their action hero fantasies and salivate at the opportunity to use their toys on perceived enemies.

Wonder which one America has more of?

Priere posted...

We should ban cars with automatic windows, high capacity tanks and anything over 250 horsepower.

The 1990 BMW M3 Sport Evolution III is now street legal in USA?

Murphiroth posted...

And gun worshipping nuts are eager to live out their action hero fantasies and salivate at the opportunity to use their toys on perceived enemies.

Wonder which one America has more of?

That gun masturbating scene in Beef is what just instantly came to mind for me hahahaha

So what's a store owner supposed to do when they are being robbed?

Seems weird that Reagan and Trump have been the only recent presidents to institute any significant gun laws.

Like people posing with guns is always crazy to me. Why guns

Anyone so many people wait for the day they can kill someone . And if the gun owner is white many times they can get away with murder depending on who they kill.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

So what's a store owner supposed to do when they are being robbed?

maybe give them money since life is worth infinitely more than some cash or items. Let insurance cover the losses. Business owners have insurance to cover that exact issue already.

Chrknu posted...

I don't know. Something similar to a drivers license or something, I guess? I don't live in america, so I don't really have to worry much about these things. Just analyzing it from the outside.

What makes you say that it won't matter to criminals or stupid/irresponsible people? I heard that both Switzerland and Australia (brought up in gun control videos) are examples where regulation seems to not support that statement. Are there any examples where regulation have made it worse or no change?

How would this help? Now everyone has a gun license, so what? How exactly does this stop gun violence?

Ludwig_Von_2 posted...

How would this help? Now everyone has a gun license, so what? How exactly does this stop gun violence?

do you really not understand how that would help prevent gun violence?

imagine if licenses werent required to drive in the US. How do you think the roads would be?

nononom0use123 posted...

do you really not understand how that would help prevent gun violence?

imagine if licenses werent required to drive in the US. How do you think the roads would be?

nope I sure dont. Explain it to me like a was a little kid. How would gun licenses help gun violence?

Ludwig_Von_2 posted...

nope I sure dont. Explain it to me like a was a little kid. How would gun licenses help gun violence?

How about I treat you like a little kid and just tell you to shut the fuck up instead

Little kids can understand that licensing firearms is logical and would prevent future deaths. Im sorry you lack the critical thinking skills to understand something that even little kids can.