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JonThePenguin 04/26/23 7:47:07 AM #1: |
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1651181545409982466 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/microsoft-activision-deal-prevented-to-protect-innovation-and-choice-in-cloud-gaming --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 04/26/23 7:48:45 AM #2: |
Beat me by a minute! --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bane_Of_Despair 04/26/23 7:49:28 AM #3: |
Xboner of the day --- You were the cancer, that's all you'll ever be I really messed up this contest, but azuarc gave it a Breath of fresh air ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 04/26/23 7:49:56 AM #4: |
Wow, purely down to cloud gaming at that. Seems like it will completely reframe the debate around this. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 04/26/23 7:52:12 AM #5: |
Is it final? I mean, besides the appeal --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 04/26/23 8:16:56 AM #6: |
Cloud gaming being the pain point here is very funny to me. --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 04/26/23 8:36:18 AM #7: |
What's the significance of cloud gaming here? I'm not familiar with UK law, so I don't know how it compares to US rules of preventing monopolies, but I fail to see how that would make a difference here. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 04/26/23 8:50:18 AM #8: |
Basically every other cloud gaming service provider is a joke compared to Microsoft already, and this would tip the balance even more in their favour. Also, it is very difficult to get started in that industry so its more prone to monopolies anyway. The argument is basically that as cloud gaming is a growing market in which Microsoft already has a huge advantage, giving them a further advantage would stop other services from coming up and prevent growth. As for why the UK might be different (and IIRC the EU raised the same concerns) to the US regarding cloud gaming, this is just pure speculation but I guess the lack of data caps and mostly faster internet make cloud gaming a more serious proposal in Europe. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 04/26/23 8:55:45 AM #9: |
cloud gaming is the funniest reason and makes me wonder if they have an agenda. it's not like Activision is a major provider of cloud services. --- xyzzy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 04/26/23 9:33:20 AM #10: |
transience posted... it's not like Activision is a major provider of cloud services. This is what gave me pause in this discussion. If it was EA or Ubisoft, okay maybe. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LiquidOshawott 04/26/23 9:41:41 AM #11: |
Who knew Stadia dying would probably end up hurting Microsoft more --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 04/26/23 9:59:56 AM #12: |
The rationale is not that Activision are a potential provider of cloud gaming being removed, but that Microsoft buying Activision will make them even more dominant in a space they already have a huge advantage in. LiquidOshawott posted... Who knew Stadia dying would probably end up hurting Microsoft more Yep. Honestly its kind of a shame, I used Stadia a bit a couple of years ago and it was great. Just an example of having the tech down but completely bungling the business side. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SHINE_GET_64 04/26/23 10:43:22 AM #13: |
got'em --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/26/23 10:57:04 AM #14: |
LightningStrikes posted... The rationale is not that Activision are a potential provider of cloud gaming being removed, but that Microsoft buying Activision will make them even more dominant in a space they already have a huge advantage in. But if Activision is not a potential provider what meaningful advantage are they gaining by acquiring them. At that point you might as well ban Microsoft from acquiring anyone as you can argue they'll gain a benefit to their cloud gaming by increased revenues allowing them to invest more into cloud gaming. Definitely think there's some secondary agenda there. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 04/26/23 11:07:20 AM #15: |
Its basically the same argument Sony was trying to make about consoles applied to a market where Microsoft isnt a distant third. That is the difference, this would not be sufficiently damaging to the console business but cloud gaming is a different story because Microsoft has a much, much bigger market share there. As for a secondary agenda I suspect it would simply be blocking a merger of this size. The CMA is more active than say the FTC and will intervene from time to time like when they blocked the Asda/Sainsburys merger a few years ago. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 04/26/23 11:13:07 AM #16: |
I guess the argument would be that Game Pass gets more powerful by putting Activision games on their service, but even Sony has built up a decent GP competitor in the last year. I just don't get the angle. but, I also don't mind regulators stopping giants from merging on principle so this doesn't really bother me either way. it just seems disingenuous. --- xyzzy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacArrowny 04/26/23 11:38:05 AM #17: |
transience posted... even Sony has built up a decent GP competitor in the last year.Can you even stream PS4 games? I thought it was just PS3. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SHINE_GET_64 04/26/23 11:39:36 AM #18: |
pretty sure you can, but I think you need Premium and not just Extra? --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JonThePenguin 04/26/23 11:40:30 AM #19: |
MacArrowny posted... Can you even stream PS4 games? I thought it was just PS3.Nah, it's PS4 as well. Have to have PS+++ for any of it. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacArrowny 04/26/23 11:41:42 AM #20: |
Ah, gotcha. Guess the issue would be low subscriber numbers for Sony then? I think ++ only had a couple million in the latest financials. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 04/26/23 11:46:02 AM #21: |
Lopen posted... At that point you might as well ban Microsoft from acquiring anyone as you can argue they'll gain a benefit to their cloud gaming by increased revenues allowing them to invest more into cloud gaming.That's basically what they've decided --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 04/26/23 11:47:14 AM #22: |
If the exclusivity of Activision games was the deal breaker then they could enforce non-exclusivity, which they already promised for like 10 years I think? Still a weird thing to enforce but it's more justifiable. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paperwarior 04/26/23 12:58:31 PM #23: |
I still can't believe data caps on home internet exist anywhere. It's outrageous. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacArrowny 04/26/23 12:59:29 PM #24: |
I think data caps are mostly a Canada/America thing? Haven't heard about other countries having them. Maybe Russia, since its population density is low? --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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barreldragon88 04/26/23 1:57:43 PM #25: |
Man, this acquisition thing has been in talks for how long now --- Long live Saint Seiya!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 04/26/23 4:03:49 PM #27: |
Microsoft should acquire the UK first. --- "A blank page or canvas, his favorite. So many possibilities." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 04/26/23 5:23:22 PM #28: |
I suspect it will still happen. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacArrowny 04/26/23 5:25:08 PM #29: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted... I suspect it will still happen.They're appealing the process, but apparently the CMA practically never changes their minds. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Uglyface2 04/26/23 11:24:43 PM #30: |
I thought the CMA approved this a month ago. What was that about? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 04/27/23 1:11:58 AM #31: |
Im probably being dumb, but arent they both American companies? What level of presence in the UK subjects them to UK antitrust regulation? Having offices there, just selling their products there, or what? --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacArrowny 04/27/23 1:25:20 AM #32: |
LordoftheMorons posted... selling their products therethis part Activision has multiple divisions in the UK though, and I'd guess MS has some major operations there too. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 04/27/23 1:39:13 AM #33: |
Got it, thanks --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChichiriMuyo 04/27/23 1:59:27 AM #34: |
What I don't get is how does the UK have any control over what two American companies do. If the US does allow the merger and they merge, what are they going to do? Fine them? I think MS can handle that. Ban all Microsoft products? I don't think the UK can handle that. Force the closure of their UK divisions? Yeah, the current administration needs a new controversy like a hole in the head, and killing 15,000 jobs would not go over well for a party that sells itself on creating well paying jobs in the private sector. --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChichiriMuyo 04/27/23 2:00:53 AM #35: |
barreldragon88 posted... Man, this acquisition thing has been in talks for how long nowMerging two multi-billion dollar companies take years even when governments aren't trying to fight it, longer when they do. --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds ... Copied to Clipboard!
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