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Homeless_Waifu 05/04/23 11:02:51 PM #51: |
The fatal flaw behind this op... Is that there are already hundreds of gun owners across the US. Sure you could increase the prices... But that won't solve any issues regarding firearms not will it dwindle the population of gun owners in this country. --- I bought the Taito Egret II Mini just to play puchi carat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MICHALECOLE 05/04/23 11:03:11 PM #52: |
Questionmarktarius posted... yes.You can pull whatever quotes you want out of your ass it doesnt change the amount of gun deaths in America. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Calwings 05/04/23 11:03:25 PM #53: |
Priere posted... So if someone steals your gun and kills someone should they nail you to a cross as well? If you want to own a gun, it should also be your responsibility to take proper safety precautions and ensure that it never falls into the hands of someone who would use it to kill someone. If a thief steals your gun and kills someone with it, or if your kid gets a hold of your gun and naively shoots another family member with it without knowing better, then that means you didn't secure your gun well enough. It means that you failed your responsibility as a safe gun owner, and you should face consequences for it. --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MICHALECOLE 05/04/23 11:04:01 PM #54: |
Homeless_Waifu posted... The fatal flaw behind this op... MICHALECOLE posted... This is a terrible argument. Why try anything now its already too late? Maybe we can bring numbers down by a thousand gun deaths a year, but its better than nothing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/04/23 11:05:13 PM #55: |
MICHALECOLE posted... You can pull whatever quotes you want out of your ass it doesnt change the amount of gun deaths in America.Guns just make it easy. That we're callously killing each-other is a symptom of something greater. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MICHALECOLE 05/04/23 11:06:03 PM #56: |
Questionmarktarius posted... Guns just make it easy. That we're callously killing each-other is a symptom of something greater.Yeah, but making it easy sure does fucking help ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 05/04/23 11:11:58 PM #57: |
This or raising its taxs are pretty much impossible without being spun as a atk on poor people and its communitys. A thing I don't think most people will be on board with. Even something as mundane as a mandatory gun school/training and test could be spun the same. I do agree on better background checks and maybe psychiatric testing but many mentally ill are just really good at hiding their pent up emotions and intentions so even that's not full proof. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/04/23 11:25:22 PM #58: |
MICHALECOLE posted... Yeah, but making it easy sure does fucking helpthat's fair. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 05/05/23 12:19:31 AM #59: |
Questionmarktarius posted... Note that any new restrictions will do fuck all for the 400 million guns already privately owned.Okay, assume a national gun registry is implemented and is properly funded and maintained. Serial numbers are engraved on every gun, and there are original documents with matching serial numbers that are impractical to forge (watermarks, etc.) along with a digital fingerprint. A registered gun must have both digital and printed documentation matching its serial number to be considered legally owned by that person. Else it is considered illegal. Any gun that has had its serial number physically altered or removed is considered illegal and carries with it steep fines and/or felony charges if discovered. All manufacturers, licensed dealers, gun shows, flea markets, gun ranges, etc. must comply to keep their business, and regular audits are done on the registry to enforce it. Counties are responsible for enforcement, but are subject to state and federal regulation as needed. Private citizens are given a deadline to register any guns they already own. Registering is funded by the gun manufacturers, no fees for the owners and buyers. New serial numbers are minted and stamped. Any citizen that fails to register is assumed to have done so maliciously and will face felony charges if discovered. That leads to a few possible outcomes. 1) The private citizen never commits a crime or is never stopped by police while carrying their illegal firearm. Congrats, they get to keep their illegal gun, but also nobody gets hurt with a gun. 2) The private citizen is discovered to posses an illegal firearm such as committing a crime while carrying, being stopped or questioned by law enforcement while carrying, or there is reasonable suspicion of illegal ownership (such as a neighbor or family member tipping off law enforcement), then... 2a) They are held responsible for the illegal gun and face felony charges on top of any other criminal charges. The gun is confiscated and destroyed. 2b) If the offending citizen can prove that the gun was sold/given to them by a third party which knew it was an illegal sale, they can face a reduced sentence/fine and the seller is then prosecuted with felony charges along with losing any license to sell firearms. 3) If it can be proved that the gun was registered, but then stolen or taken through no negligence of the original owner (ex. a home is broken into, a safe is cracked, and a gun was taken and used in a crime later), then there are no charges against the owner. But if negligence is proven (Safe was left unlocked, gun was kept outside of a safe, etc.) then the registered owner faces a heavy negligence fine. The thief faces felony illegal gun charges on top of their crimes. Three out of four outcomes lead to felony charges for owning an illegal gun or losing a registered gun through negligence, and there are steep consequences that sellers face if an illegal gun can be traced back to them, which is incentivized by the reduced sentence for the buyer. It's a feedback loop of accountability. Sure, this doesn't directly stop gun crime, and it's entirely possible that there will still be gun violence. But a registry dives one layer deeper in that it keeps all parties involved in the manufacture and sale of guns accountable by putting much of the financial burden and risk on them. Not to mention that such a registry would be made more powerful with the implementation of mandatory waiting periods and background checks to ensure sales are not being made to potentially dangerous people. I'm not a legal expert and this is GameFAQs, so the logistics behind creating, operating, and maintaining a registry will go beyond what I've posted here, but the logic is sound and this is a framework for a system that would allow all citizens to own firearms while reducing gun violence. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shironinja 05/05/23 12:23:50 AM #60: |
$10 / bullet --- Now or never. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/05/23 12:25:27 AM #61: |
ZMythos posted... [long ass post here] I red this whole thing, and I don't see any second amendment conflict here. huh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PsychoVision 05/05/23 12:30:33 AM #62: |
Questionmarktarius posted... Guns just make it easy. That we're callously killing each-other is a symptom of something greater.mental health. england and various states here have strict gun bans yet they still suffer from violent killings. england has subway stabbings virtually every week and its not uncommon to see homemade bombs. chicago has banned guns yet theyre leaders in gun violence. i think we need to bring back the nut houses. we banned them in the 80s and its time to bring them back. we got too many nuts roaming the streets and them having access to guns, knives, and dark web cookbooks doesnt bode well for our society. --- I am not CloneTheHero i swear ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/05/23 12:32:22 AM #63: |
PsychoVision posted... i think we need to bring back the nut houses. we banned them in the 80s and its time to bring them back.The left told us they were inhumane hellholes and the right didn't want to pay for them. Both sides fucked up. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TerraSeeker 05/05/23 12:52:03 AM #64: |
Sounds elitist to me --- Your words are as empty as your soul ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Punisher_69 05/05/23 12:55:09 AM #65: |
Read this as make guns more explosive like holy shit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/05/23 12:57:02 AM #66: |
The_Punisher_69 posted... Read this as make guns more explosive like holy shithttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/5/AAEhCpAAEclh.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Calwings 05/05/23 12:57:14 AM #67: |
The_Punisher_69 posted... Read this as make guns more explosive like holy shit Tediore weapons in Borderlands 2 be like --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/05/23 12:58:08 AM #68: |
Calwings posted... Tediore weapons in Borderlands 2 be likeohshit, that was Tediore. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Calwings 05/05/23 1:02:09 AM #69: |
Questionmarktarius posted... ohshit, that was Tediore. Yeah, Tediore were the ones that made the guns themselves into explosives. Torgue guns just shoot out a bunch of explosions. Simple mistake, they both start with a "T" and involve guns and explosions, no big deal. --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/05/23 1:03:30 AM #70: |
Calwings posted... Simple mistake, they both start with a "T" and involve guns and explosions, no big deal.Who made the Conference Call? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thud 05/05/23 1:05:06 AM #71: |
PsychoVision posted... i think we need to bring back the nut houses. we banned them in the 80s and its time to bring them back. we got too many nuts roaming the streets and them having access to guns, knives, and dark web cookbooks doesnt bode well for our society. Mental institutions do exist, however like most things it all comes down to $$$. If you don't have insurance and/or can't get county funding, your option is private pay or fuck off. Which most people who are mentally ill to the point they need community living sure as shit can't pay. Unless of course someone does have a court ordered mental health/substance abuse committal, they do stay in an institution or jail until they can find placement in a facility/group home. Calling them "nuts" doesn't help either. Most of them are just scared and are armed for their own protection. --- Happy birthday to the GROUND! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/05/23 1:08:31 AM #72: |
Thud posted... Calling them "nuts" doesn't help either."Loonybin" is arguably worse, but what else to call it? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Calwings 05/05/23 1:14:53 AM #73: |
Questionmarktarius posted... Who made the Conference Call? https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Conference_Call Hyperion, actually. And it can't have the explosive element. --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Flauros 05/05/23 1:17:08 AM #74: |
Questionmarktarius posted... "Loonybin" is arguably worse, but what else to call it?Instead of saying something crass like "They got sent to the nuthouse", say something like "They got a job in a rubber room down at the Puzzle Factory". --- https://i.imgur.com/EX6Md7k.gif https://i.imgur.com/ygAzHKB.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/c84omp7.gif https://i.imgur.com/Hj9RrC6.mp4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thud 05/05/23 1:21:38 AM #75: |
Questionmarktarius posted... "Loonybin" is arguably worse, but what else to call it? I literally gave you the answer, mental institutions or care facilities is the modern and non derogatory term. Flauros posted... Instead of saying something crass like "They got sent to the nuthouse", say something like "They got a job in a rubber room down at the Puzzle Factory". Or, yknow, be a decent person and not make a joke out of someone's mental illness --- Happy birthday to the GROUND! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malcrasternus 05/05/23 1:30:39 AM #76: |
ZMythos posted... assume a national gun registry is implemented and is properly funded and maintained. And then the next mass shooting with an AR15 happens. Despite rifles(of all types) making up a fraction of a percent of all shootings, all registered AR15's now must be turned in under penalty of law. Then the next mass shooting happens. This time with pistols and several magazines. All pistols with so-called assault features are confiscated. Several states have "assault weapon" bans on rifles and pistols to prevent you from buying these firearms in the first place, for "safety." My state recently passed one so severe, so poorly worded, that I CAN'T EVEN FUCKING BUY REPLACEMENT PARTS for most of my guns anymore, including punishments for importing them if hop state lines and buy these parts, because a replacement bolt is considered a part than can convert a weapon to a semi-automatic assault weapon(a term they made up), because the action is semi-automatic and looks scary. All in the name of "safety." A registration puts the government's foot in everyone's door for "safety." There is no good faith in gun registrations. And history proves that. Also, Calwin, you're telling me you see no possible bad outcome of allowing people to blame the objects and makers of them in court? What kind of precedent that would set for other types of crime in the future? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act There is a gun problem in America. But we just keep punishing the law abiding hoping that stops the criminals. --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nirvanas_Nox 05/05/23 2:23:19 AM #77: |
ZMythos posted... Implementing stronger background checks, expanding and enforcing a national gun registry, and having a mandatory waiting period on gun purchases. Add on mandatory psych evaluations too. --- Make sure not to bleed over the discs.- Xiciassa NOT IN MY CANTINA! - Bartender ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kingdrake2 05/05/23 2:45:31 AM #78: |
shironinja posted... $10 / bullet much higher dollar cost. wouldn't work. it'll become more of a target for thieves. --- Republicans " hold together like a ball of lusty ticks" - drclaeys ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 05/07/23 1:03:09 AM #79: |
Malcrasternus posted... And then the next mass shooting with an AR15 happens. Despite rifles(of all types) making up a fraction of a percent of all shootings, all registered AR15's now must be turned in under penalty of law. Then the next mass shooting happens. This time with pistols and several magazines. All pistols with so-called assault features are confiscated.I'm not calling for a ban on any gun. Nor does my proposal even imply that a model of firearm would be banned because of its use in a crime. One reason I would prefer a registry over a tax or price hike of firearms is specifically to prevent a barrier of ownership for poor Americans. Hence the manufacturers would be held financially responsible in my proposal. If your problem with a registry is that you believe the people in charge would not properly implement it or abuse its jurisdiction then your problem is with the people in charge, not the concept of a gun registry. I believe that law abiding people of color and queer folks need to, now more than ever, be armed against a growing fascist state. but there must be some regulations, because the constitution calls for it and because unregulated firearms have led to tens of thousands of deaths in the past 20 years. Malcrasternus posted... There is no good faith in gun registrations. And history proves that. History proves nothing because there has not been a historical nationalized gun registry in the United States. Tell me why a registry, and specifically a registry, would not lead to a decrease gun violence. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malcrasternus 05/07/23 3:20:50 AM #80: |
ZMythos posted... I believe that law abiding people of color and queer folks need to, now more than ever, be armed against a growing fascist state.This part we absolutely agree on. ZMythos posted... Hence the manufacturers would be held financially responsible in my proposal.This would just run manufacturers out of business via endless lawsuits until they have no choice but to file for bankruptcy. Remington recently settled for 73 million dollars with the families of Sandy Hook. Daniel Defense is also another brand that was or currently is in a lawsuit by the families of Uvalde. ZMythos posted... If your problem with a registry is that you believe the people in charge would not properly implement it or abuse its jurisdiction then your problem is with the people in charge, not the concept of a gun registry. All I've seen so far from the people in charge is "assault weapon" bans across nearly a dozen states including mine as of last month, to the point where I can't even buy replacement parts for some of them without breaking the law. Who the fuck does that protect? To my knowledge every state that has attempted to, or has successfully enacted an AWB also wanted a registry alongside it, but is struck down due to current laws. ZMythos posted... History proves nothing because there has not been a historical nationalized gun registry in the United States. Tell me why a registry, and specifically a registry, would not lead to a decrease gun violence. 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides in the US. If I read your post correctly your scenario has a registry formed BUT doesn't add an AWB. How does this stop/lessen the suicide by gun rate? Moreover how many of these high profile shootings have been done with recently acquired firearms from people with no, or very minor criminal backgrounds? Some news outlets make it a point to mention how some of these shooters purchased their guns days or even hours prior after passing a background check. How does a registry prevent that, without simply confiscating and banning all types of registered firearms once a large enough tragedy with one is committed? Would the government now instead start focusing on mental health or paying more attention to red flags, or just confiscate the registered weapons now that they know where all the legally purchased ones are? What has history shown us in other countries where a high profile shooting has happened? For what it's worth man, I get it. We do need to do more, but it has to actually be effective and not about punishing the law abiding. We have literal thousands of gun laws on the federal and state level. Firearm related recidivism happens at a far higher rate than non-firearm cases. Let's enforce the laws we have already and put the actual criminals away for longer. --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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