Current Events > Wait, is Red 13 not playable in FF7 Remake?

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TMOG posted...

How many other Final Fantasy titles can you name that have a post-credits endgame

How many Final Fantasy titles can you name that put the credits a third of the way into the game?

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

How many Final Fantasy titles can you name that put the credits a third of the way into the game?

Oh so you're just deflecting because you know you fucked up lmao

I'm also pretty sure you haven't played Remake at this point if you're still using the "third of a way into the game" argument

Let me spoil things for you

It's set in a different timeline, things aren't going to go the same as in OG 7, the "Remake" in the title is literally canon to the events of the story

TMOG posted...

Oh so you're just deflecting because you know you fucked up lmao

Keep the nervous lmaos to yourself when you deflect to deflecting

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Keep the nervous lmaos to yourself when you deflect to deflecting

You literally refused to answer the question in favor of acting like a child

TMOG posted...

Oh so you're just deflecting because you know you fucked up lmao

I'm also pretty sure you haven't played Remake at this point if you're still using the "third of a way into the game" argument

Let me spoil things for you

It's set in a different timeline, things aren't going to go the same as in OG 7, the "Remake" in the title is literally canon to the events of the story

Yeah, I definitely know things arent going to go the same as the universally loved classic.

Dunno why you accept this as any kind of explanation for the garbage decisions here.

I'll give it one thing though: people wont be clamoring for a Final Fantasy 7 remake anymore.

Don't like it? Don't play it. It's really that simple.

Irony posted...

I mean it expanded it in the same way you can lift the top of a dumpster to pile more stuff on top of it

Well, sure if you ignore literally everything

Everything they expanded on was good, the dumb shit was the entirely new elements. It makes for a very strange combo of lovable characters and an interesting story thats repeatedly interrupted by modern squeenix cringe for people who suck down that trash like candy

1000% percent chance we are getting mid-combat character swaps.

they will probably have it where certain enemies appear and you could switch to a character that is better suited to fight them.

VeggetaX posted...

Don't like it? Don't play it. It's really that simple.

Sure if the developers were actually clear this isn't really a remake of FF7

It's mainly the lame sidequests that bother me. The Jessie thing was fine, if not a little long.

PowerOats posted...

1000% percent chance we are getting mid-combat character swaps.

they will probably have it where certain enemies appear and you could switch to a character that is better suited to fight them.

I'm confused what you're saying here because this is exactly how the remake already works.

pegusus123456 posted...

I'm confused what you're saying here because this is exactly how the remake already works.

Probably means like switching out which three characters you have out at a time. Like if your team is Barret, Tifa, and Red XIII, you can switch one of them out for Aerith instead mid-battle for some quick magic spells.

I'd honestly be fine if once the party started to grow, it just gave you a preset party for relevant points of the story like they did in 4 and 13

Great game. The story had a few moments that I didnt care for but the combat is excellent especially on Hard Mode and the music is fantastic. Cant wait to see Cid and Vincent eventually.

TheDurinator posted...

FF7R is a sin against god.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/8/AAU2gcAADsIU.png

"should we invest time and money on making one of the key characters of this story a playable character?"

"well no we still have to add a ton of useless shit fetch quests that weren't in the original game, so there isn't enough money or time, sorry can't do it"

Tyranthraxus posted...

It doesn't fucking matter. If they made red playable then he'd only be playable for the ass end 20 minutes of the game and then you'd bitch about that instead

Oh look the first person to start swearing is the person defending the game.

Why do you get so worked up over it.

Scarecrow17 posted...

Great game. The story had a few moments that I didnt care for but the combat is excellent especially on Hard Mode and the music is fantastic. Cant wait to see Cid and Vincent eventually.

Agreed. Square-enix managed to achieve a great blend of action and still utilizing the ATB system with FF7 remake, and hard mode really brings out the fun of it since it actually pushes you into coming up with a good materia set-up for everyone and getting use out of each of the 4 character's abilities like aerith's lustrous shield for her and barret's arsenal fight.

I enjoyed yuffie's play style in her DLC story so I can't wait to see what they will do for playable red 13, cid, vincent, and not making cait sith suck all kinds of ass gameplay-wise.

Mad-Dogg posted...

Agreed. Square-enix managed to achieve a great blend of action and still utilizing the ATB system with FF7 remake, and hard mode really brings out the fun of it since it actually pushes you into coming up with a good materia set-up for everyone and getting use out of each of the 4 character's abilities like aerith's lustrous shield for her and barret's arsenal fight.

I enjoyed yuffie's play style in her DLC story so I can't wait to see what they will do for playable red 13, cid, vincent, and not making cait sith suck all kinds of ass gameplay-wise.

I wouldn't mind it if Cait Sith was never playable that character is garbage

UnfairRepresent posted...

The whole "Here's your group of 9 people, you can only pick 3" won't fly today like it did in the 90s. People want to see the whole team react to stuff and interact with each other.

Persona says hi.

jumi posted...

Persona says hi.

also trails of cold steel

MarcyWarcy posted...

also trails of cold steel

Might as well throw in Xenoblade before 3 as well.

Do I have to beat the game to unlock hard mode?

As long as a shitstorm doesnt erupt over the pronunciation of Cait Sith.

Also, Red is the best character in FF VII.

Accolon posted...

Do I have to beat the game to unlock hard mode?

Yes. The hard mode sucks though. They banned you from using items and you can't recover MP when there's more than enough materia to still make hard mode easy. They had no idea what they were doing with it.

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

"should we invest time and money on making one of the key characters of this story a playable character?"

"well no we still have to add a ton of useless shit fetch quests that weren't in the original game, so there isn't enough money or time, sorry can't do it"

Red XIII is a key character in Midgar? Are you also mad they couldn't be bothered putting Cid in there?

Irony posted...

I mean the whole game is fans defending the dumb decisions

I wouldn't defend it. But some people are more about enjoying what's there rather than being frustrated at what's not there. There was enough there to enjoy for me. Though Im not happy with a lot of decisions either.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Yes. The hard mode sucks though. They banned you from using items and you can't recover MP when there's more than enough materia to still make hard mode easy. They had no idea what they were doing with it.

I personally loved Hard Mode. It made a lot of things I never touched in Normal Mode super useful; and gave reason to be more tactical in what you used.

Senta posted...

I personally loved Hard Mode. It made a lot of things I never touched in Normal Mode super useful; and gave reason to be more tactical in what you used.

Exactly. The game gives you MP absorb materia to make offensive magic basically freebie use. Something like this is something you will never use in the original final fantasy 7 (the OG game is easy to the point where you don't actually need to make any specific materia set-ups to be honest) and most likely did not pay it much mind with the normal playthrough of FF7 remake, but in hard mode you have to think outside the box and use all those various support materia or accessories that is sitting around to come up with solutions. Just increasing a character's max MP with the MP up materia is now a good strat to go with. Equip the magic specializing weapons that each character has, like cloud's mythril saber, for the passive skills that reduces the cost of spells and gives a MP regeneration boost in-battle.

The hard mode item restriction means you have to use more strategy in your RPG game.

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He said pronounce it, not describe it. XD

Mad-Dogg posted...

Exactly. The game gives you MP absorb materia to make offensive magic basically freebie use. Something like this is something you will never use in the original final fantasy 7 (the OG game is easy to the point where you don't actually need to make any specific materia set-ups to be honest) and most likely did not pay it much mind with the normal playthrough of FF7 remake, but in hard mode you have to think outside the box and use all those various support materia or accessories that is sitting around to come up with solutions. Just increasing a character's max MP with the MP up materia is now a good strat to go with. Equip the magic specializing weapons that each character has, like cloud's mythril saber, for the passive skills that reduces the cost of spells and gives a MP regeneration boost in-battle.

The hard mode item restriction means you have to use more strategy in your RPG game.

People say this and I know the response I'm gonna get but I was doing that stuff in the normal mode. Hard mode didn't feel any different for me and didn't require much more thought. It felt stupid and I'd rather they have just pumped the HP and damage of enemies up instead.

Accolon posted...

Do I have to beat the game to unlock hard mode?

Yeah, think of Hard Mode as a post-game or NG+ mode. Hard mode is balanced around the max level (50) and you'll have access to your entire arsenal (all weapons with max upgrades, all your materia, etc.)

I personally really loved hard mode, as it made me truly appreciate the combat system of the game. Going through the entire game with my full kit was fun, and there's a lot of small extras you can unlock when going through the game a second time and making some different choices. The no bench healing change isn't as limiting as it sounds, it just requires the player to optimize a bit to account for it.

FF7R has some issues, but the combat system is a blast and I ended up thinking higher of the game after clearing hard mode.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

It felt stupid and I'd rather they have just pumped the HP and damage of enemies up instead.

Just bloating enemies' stats/making something more grindy and in most cases just cranking the enemy's damage up and leaving it at that has always been the boring and lazy method of increasing difficulty if you could even call something like more HP difficult when it comes to jrpgs. At its worse you get crap like tales of the abyss' unknown difficulty where you deal the bare mininum damage so you just rely on the cheapest strategy (in that game's case free run itself being busted), hope on the strongest character and spam whatever strongest move, and to a lesser extent tales of arise's "you are just wailing on this boss with super armor for about 13 minutes and let me just equip my biggest stat stick to speed this up" hardest mode.

After FF7 remake is beaten the first time if someone where to backtrack to chapter 16 for the shinra combat simulator, go through the fights until you get to the superboss that is meant for later, and get the gotterdammerung accessory (basically "prepping" for the hard mode run, which is going to make anything easier if info is looked up ahead of time) then something like that can cheese the playthrough for sure. Going into hard mode right from the get go and especially everything that comes after the hell house fight was balanced in a way that it was challenging but without having to rely on cheap things like more HP, more damage, bigger stats and thats it. FF7 remake's hard difficulty method of encouraging to use all of your character's abilities that is gears for certain purposes like building stagger, increasing stagger damage, barret's built-in taunt ability, etc., its not perfect but its the kind of hard mode I want to see in any jrpg I'm playing.

I really doubt someone going through hard mode directly after the initial normal playthrough and assuming they didn't read a strategy guide ahead of time to already know the perfect materia setups to deal with what is coming next got through areas like the sewers with the sahagin mobs or abzu's rematch in chapter 14 with all of the abzu shoats all lul eazy peazy on the very first attempt. If this person did, then god damn it I actually would love to see a video of something like that because this is definitely a "pics or it didn't fucking happen" moment for me, lmao. Some of those fights post hell house on hard mode can really trip someone up without prior knowledge.

I just don't understand. If you played the OG FF7 it's not rocket science to figure out what materia pairs are good and break the game. The materia are all largely the same in effect along some experimenting in the battle simulator with the new ones.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/6/5/AAJMZcAADN_1.jpg

It doesn't take a genius to read a walkthrough and copy someone else's set-up for a hard mode playthrough. What I am doubting is you being so good at the game that you went through hard without a single problem assuming you went straight in there without spending hours to prepare lol. Also, most of the non-magic materia definitely do not have the same exact functions they did in the OG game.

If you did do a ton of prepping before playing hard then just say so, but if not then "pics or it didn't happen" is all I'm trying to say. Knowing that its a good idea to have at least 1 max HP up materias for each character with it being one of the most important materias in FF7 remake, alongside materia like chakra and prayer isn't knowledge that is going to come from OG FF7, because these materias truthfully weren't needed in the OG game....really barely anything was truly needed in the OG game, it really was that easy. White wind and big barrier via the enemy skill materia is going to be the main recovery related and protection related things OG FF7 players will have knowledge on........FF7 remake's enemy skill materia is obviously completely different. Will say that getting bodied by leviathan when the VR battle first pops up is usually the first point where people start to realize "well shit.....maybe its a good idea to have more HP" so I can see HP up materia's usefulness being known from that fight alone. Chakra and prayer usefulness isn't really going to come from experimenting or whatever via normal mode's arenas, that is going to come from first-hand hard mode experience.

All in all, I'm trying to see a video of your first attempt at the abzu rematch fight in chapter 14 hard mode because while I can buy someone going "ok, I see whats going on" and getting the fight down on the second on up attempt, I gotta' doubt it being easy enough to where someone can just cruise through it and be like "yeah this whole thing is a disappointment nothing can remotely challenge my skills" and I want to see the flawless gameplay in action.

We are in a modern gaming era in which every single console starting with the PS4 n' the xbox one on up and PC can record clips at the touch of a button and with something like that I want to see it and be amazed is all I'm saying, lol.

What do you think is a fair price point for this game right now?

This game sounds so uninteresting. If it were worse id be interested enough to see why.

Payzmaykr posted...

What do you think is a fair price point for this game right now?

The PS4 version's disc can be gotten for about 15.50 right now and its one of the games that supports a free upgrade to the PS5 version. You don't get yuffie's DLC of course.
https://amzn.to/41EKZq1

The actual PS5 disc is still 60 bucks and the digital version on both PSN and steam is 70 dollars.

Honestly, I would get that PS4 disc and stick with that.

Payzmaykr posted...

What do you think is a fair price point for this game right now?

I wouldn't pay more than $50 for it today and I would definitely bargain hunt for even less.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I wouldn't pay more than $50 for it today and I would definitely bargain hunt for even less.

Its been $20 many times

Remakes Hard Mode is one of the best hard modes I've played, especially it coming from a Squeenix game who often have the worst hard modes.

It's a bit of a knowledge check + being efficient, dealing with tougher enemies while making the most of your ATB, HP, MP, and materia setups

I hope they fuse the Access materia into the healing materia cuz having it take up its own slot 1st playthrough sucks

Is that the cat thing? That was one of the lame party members anyway.

ECW_Originals12 posted...

Is that the cat thing? That was one of the lame party members anyway.

It's the tiger dude, not the stuffed animal.

Didnt bosses get new attacks and attack patterns in hard mode?

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Didnt bosses get new attacks and attack patterns in hard mode?

No. They just get a stat boost and there are a few hard mode exclusive bosses.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Didnt bosses get new attacks and attack patterns in hard mode?

Yes, some bosses gain new attacks and add new elements to the fight to throw off the player.