Current Events > Top Economist--The u.s. doesn't actually have to pay off it's $31 trillion debt

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Smallville
05/23/23 7:27:33 PM
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https://rb.gy/qyr09

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Cheater87
05/23/23 7:29:00 PM
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Not clicking that link.

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itcheyness
05/23/23 7:29:35 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
Not clicking that link.
It's Yahoo Finance.

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TaylorHeinicke
05/23/23 7:30:06 PM
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itcheyness posted...
It's Yahoo Finance.

Cheater87 posted...
Not clicking that link.


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Sillyface_Mcdum
05/23/23 7:39:24 PM
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Scary link bad link, bad link go away! Bad link go away, don't come back another day!
Whew, that was close. I think it's gone now.
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ultimate_reaver
05/23/23 7:40:53 PM
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Clicking that link

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Kloe_Rinz
05/23/23 7:42:33 PM
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Republicans arent top economists, as demonstrated by the national debt they created
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Prismsblade
05/23/23 7:42:53 PM
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'That's because unlike people, governments don't die, and they gain more revenue with each passing generation'

Bullshit.

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Smallville
05/23/23 7:43:30 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Republicans arent top economists, as demonstrated by the national debt they created
oh? don't a lot of people fault the dems for the huge national debt?

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TheMikh
05/23/23 7:44:58 PM
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"Governments, then, must service their debts pay interest and repay principal when bonds come due but they don't necessarily have to pay them off; they can issue new bonds to pay principal on old bonds and even borrow to pay interest as long as overall debt doesn't rise too much faster than revenue," he added.

jesus christ

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name_unknown
05/23/23 7:46:45 PM
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Smallville posted...
oh? don't a lot of people fault the dems for the huge national debt?
Trump's tax cuts add to the debt, it doesn't reduce. Most people are idiots anyway.
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Kloe_Rinz
05/23/23 7:47:39 PM
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Smallville posted...
oh? don't a lot of people fault the dems for the huge national debt?
why would I believe a republican when they say it wasnt republicans who created the debt? Republicans are the least trustworthy people on the planet
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MrToothHasYou
05/23/23 7:50:33 PM
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Hes correct. Government debt isnt the same as regular debt.

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thronedfire2
05/23/23 7:56:07 PM
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well yeah it's not like China is gonna come collecting. they know we can't afford it

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Jagr_68
05/23/23 7:57:31 PM
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Take Trump, Elon's, and Buffett's money then.

US pays off 70% instantly lul


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Smallville
05/23/23 7:59:53 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
Take Trump, Elon's, and Buffett's money then.

US pays off 70% instantly lul
do you really believe this?

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Northlane
05/23/23 8:06:15 PM
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People only talk about the deficit when a democrat is in office, when a republican is in office no one cares

Trump $1.9 billion tax cut, ok
Biden $1.75 billion over 10 years build back better plan, the world is ending

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Skankhair
05/23/23 8:11:29 PM
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Smallville posted...
oh? don't a lot of people fault the dems for the huge national debt?

Misinformed people, sure.
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C-zom
05/23/23 8:12:01 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
Not clicking that link.


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thronedfire2
05/23/23 8:16:18 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
Take Trump, Elon's, and Buffett's money then.

US pays off 70% instantly lul

most of their value is in stocks isn't it? so the economy tanks anyway

and Trump is irrelevant lmao. he isn't even worth 2 billion

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willythemailboy
05/23/23 8:25:50 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
most of their value is in stocks isn't it? so the economy tanks anyway

and Trump is irrelevant lmao. he isn't even worth 2 billion
More importantly, their money wouldn't pay an appreciable fraction of the debt anyway. Even taking every penny from the richest 400 people in the country would pay just over 10% of the debt.

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Smallville
05/23/23 8:27:09 PM
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willythemailboy posted...
More importantly, their money wouldn't pay an appreciable fraction of the debt anyway. Even taking every penny from the richest 400 people in the country would pay just over 10% of the debt.
yeah that's kinda what i think too, but iirc many many people believe otherwise.

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willythemailboy
05/23/23 8:28:39 PM
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Smallville posted...
yeah that's kinda what i think too, but iirc many many people believe otherwise.
That was from the Forbes 400 list 2022 - total net worth was 4 trillion. It's not an opinion.

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Smallville
05/23/23 8:30:46 PM
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willythemailboy posted...
That was from the Forbes 400 list 2022 - total net worth was 4 trillion. It's not an opinion.
yeah i agree with you, it is pretty clear cut. But i swear i hear people who think otherwise, all the time

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LoserwthAtitude
05/23/23 8:42:32 PM
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Why is this even a Topic? Every country has reasonable debt that govt. uses bonds and other means to reassure that debt will be paid.... someday. Japan, China, EU, you name it, majority of the nation have debt. US has more because they recently printed money for covid and it's nothing special.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/23/23 10:42:55 PM
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LoserwthAtitude posted...
Why is this even a Topic? Every country has reasonable debt that govt. uses bonds and other means to reassure that debt will be paid.... someday. Japan, China, EU, you name it, majority of the nation have debt. US has more because they recently printed money for covid and it's nothing special.
Its a topic because they feel the need to shill for the Republican Party
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A_Good_Boy
05/23/23 10:45:39 PM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
Hes correct. Government debt isnt the same as regular debt.
Keep your fancy economics degree to yourself. We seething up in here.

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Smallville
05/24/23 7:25:40 AM
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Bump

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ai123
05/24/23 7:32:02 AM
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He's right.

People don't want to hear it because they think the government should be run on the same principles as good old traditional family finances.

Which is an absurd lie.

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Smallville
05/24/23 7:35:12 AM
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ai123 posted...
He's right.

People don't want to hear it because they think the government should be run on the same principles as good old traditional family finances.

Which is an absurd lie.
Oh you're sure about this? Some people in this topic disagree with you

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Smallville
05/24/23 12:12:31 PM
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last bump

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Questionmarktarius
05/24/23 12:30:03 PM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
Hes correct. Government debt isnt the same as regular debt.
That said, there's a difference between "debt" and "asstons of debt".
When the debt service starts overwhelming the budget, you end up with Greece.
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BB_mofo
05/24/23 1:18:20 PM
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Northlane posted...
People only talk about the deficit when a democrat is in office, when a republican is in office no one cares

Trump $1.9 billion tax cut, ok
Biden $1.75 billion over 10 years build back better plan, the world is ending

Bill Clinton had a surplus during his last term and began paying the national debt down with it. Economists projected that at the rate he was going, it would be completely paid down by 2012. It was one of the things he was repeating to get people to vote for Gore. Dubya got into office, canceled the payments and gave away the surplus to taxpayers, but mainly to business.

If Gore had got into office, we might have paid off the national debt years ago.

https://clintonwhitehouse3.archives.gov/WH/New/00BudgetFramework/appendix1.html

The Presidents plan would eliminate the debt by 2012 -- one year earlier than previously projected. President Clintons budget proposes to reduce the national debt by $2.9 trillion over the next decade and to eliminate it by 2012, one year ahead of the projection in the February budget. The Presidents debt reduction comes from saving the entire $2.3 trillion Social Security surplus, the entire $403 billion Medicare surplus, and $192 billion of the on-budget surplus for debt reduction.

Interest payments would be eliminated. Currently we spend 12 cents of every Federal dollar on interest payments. These payments, which were once projected to grow to 25 percent of all federal spending in 2012, would be eliminated under the Presidents plan by that time.

On track to pay down $324 billion in debt held by the public over three years. In 1998 and 1999, the debt held by the public was reduced by $140 billion. OMB is projecting that the government will pay down an additional $184 billion in debt held by the public this fiscal year alone. That will bring the total debt pay down to $324 billion the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. In contrast, under Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled.

The debt held by the public is on track to be $2.4 trillion lower in 2000 than was projected when the President took office. In 1993, the debt held by the public was projected by the Office of Management and Budget to balloon to $5.85 trillion by 2000. Instead, shrinking deficits and growing surpluses in the last three years are projected to bring the debt down to $3.45 trillion in 2000 -- $2.4 trillion less than expected. In 1993, the debt held by the public was 50 percent of GDP and projected to rise to 65 percent of GDP in 2000. Instead, it has been slashed to a projected 35 percent of GDP. Under the Presidents plan, it would be completely eliminated by 2012.

As a result, interest payments on the debt in 2000 are $125 billion lower than projected. In 1993, the net interest payments on the debt held by the public were projected to grow to $348 billion in 2000. This Administrations fiscal discipline has slashed this figure to a projected $223 billion -- a $125 billion improvement for one year alone.


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