Current Events > Rewatching the 2016 Trump vs. Clinton debates, it's easy to see why Trump won.

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He at least used populist rhetoric back then, and Hillarys responses might as well have been AI generated.

Honestly I forgot how entertaining these debates were.

https://youtu.be/jpyKuzoFW40

https://youtu.be/YZ46I3kMOr0

never felt prouder to be an american

au_gold posted...

He at least used populist rhetoric back then, and Hillarys responses might as well have been AI generated.

Honestly I forgot how entertaining these debates were.

Hillary won the popular vote by several million....but let's not pay attention to that....

WalkingLobsters posted...

never felt prouder to be an american

I mean, even as Democrat I didn't like Hillary.

Kind of sad to see some of you actually take pride in shit candidates.

If Hillary won I wouldn't have been proud, just sort of glad we didn't get something worse.

... point being, at least try and have some standards. Come on. >.>

TyVulpine posted...

Hillary won the popular vote by several million....but let's not pay attention to that....

Because the win is decided by electoral votes, that Clinton could have won but she got too cocky (this is censored now? Or should I say got too arrogant?) and threw her chance away trying to bluff Trump into giving up on certain states. People told her she was losing ground in the Mid West states and she didn't do anything about it. Even Trump was confused as to how popular he was in Michigan despite being told he was behind Clinton.

TyVulpine posted...

Hillary won the popular vote by several million....but let's not pay attention to that....

It's funny how both sides bitch about their enemy messing with them during the election

TyVulpine posted...

Hillary won the popular vote by several million....but let's not pay attention to that....

Weren't you the one spamming talk about the rules in the piracy topic? Rules say the US president needs to win in the electoral college and Hillary was terrible at that since she chose not to campaign in places like Wisconsin. You need a 50 state strategy.

She assumed it was her god-given right to be the president that election. Her losing was the only thing that felt right that night.

Hoodroar posted...

Weren't you the one spamming talk about the rules in the piracy topic? Rules say the US president needs to win in the electoral college and Hillary was terrible at that since she chose not to campaign in places like Wisconsin. You need a 50 state strategy.

You might be misinterpreting him. He could be saying look at how stupid the US is that more people voted for her than Trump.

xlr_big-coop posted...

It's funny how both sides bitch about their enemy messing with them during the election

Messing with.... What? Wtf are you talking about?

Anyway, people bring up Hillary getting more votes then Donnie regardless of the electoral college because it proves that she wasn't less popular then Donnie. More people literally voted for her despite the decades long right wing smear campaign against her. That's how much of a piece of shit Donnie is.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

You might be misinterpreting him. He could be saying look at how stupid the US is that more people voted for her than Trump.

He's not, and hoods point about rules is also irrelevant.

Heineken14 posted...

Messing with.... What? Wtf are you talking about?

Anyway, people bring up Hillary getting more votes then Donnie regardless of the electoral college because it proves that she wasn't less popular then Donnie. More people literally voted for her despite the decades long right wing smear campaign against her. That's how much of a piece of shit Donnie is.

But nobody said she was less popular, just that she lost and there were contributing factors on her end.

I hated those debates because they broadcast a few in theatres. Besides people getting the free tickets and trying to sneak in to other movies, we also tended to have a sizeable amount of moviegoers that loved everything put out by the felon dinesh d'souza. Nothing like standing at the service desk while people people are spouting off their uninformed political opinions at you.

Hoodroar posted...

Weren't you the one spamming talk about the rules in the piracy topic? Rules say the US president needs to win in the electoral college and Hillary was terrible at that since she chose not to campaign in places like Wisconsin. You need a 50 state strategy.

Not really. Just the 11 largest states, as by winning those 11 will net you the required 270 electoral votes. Thats why some candidates dont care about 3-vote states.

I do enjoy how defensive conservatives get when you mention she won the popular vote lol

"YEAHBUTITDOESNTMATTERCAUSEELECTORALCOLLEGE"

like holy shit guys chill

WalkingLobsters posted...

never felt prouder to be an american

Imagine being proud of Donald Trump.

xlr_big-coop posted...

It's funny how both sides bitch about their enemy messing with them during the election

What are you talking about? That wasn't a "both sides" things; Hillary only lost because of our outdated and blatantly-undemocratic Electoral College system.

In fact, if we went purely by popular vote like every other country, we would not have had a Republican President in decades.

id rather have hillary over trump any day

No electoral college, no Trump.

Yeah there was a really good video on this (Before Trump won) focusing on MAGA vs "Love Trump's Hate" and Democrats not spending money in states they expect to win

Guy correctly predicted the election result and he was a Trump hater

Doom_Art posted...

I do enjoy how defensive conservatives get when you mention she won the popular vote lol

"YEAHBUTITDOESNTMATTERCAUSEELECTORALCOLLEGE"

like holy shit guys chill

I do enjoy how partisan Democrats assume everyone who reiterates facts they don't like is a conservative.

I do enjoy how partisan Democrats assume everyone who reiterates facts

i'm gonna stop you right there because you're having a rough time over someone bringing up the popular vote.

It doesn't matter how incompetent Hillary was, the tens of millions who contributed to her winning the election (which is what happened even if a 250 year old tumor corrupted the outcome) have a right to an equal vote. Trump being appointed was indefensible and bringing up Hillary campaigning badly is a distraction.

Hoodroar posted...

I do enjoy how partisan Democrats assume everyone who reiterates facts they don't like is a conservative.

Trump lost the 2016 election by millions of votes and you cheered on a bigoted, corrupt system because you wanted that to happen. And no, "but i'm an independent!111" isn't a plausible defense, you literally labeled anyone who wants everyone to have an equal vote as a "partisan Democrat", you want Republicans to have an advantage and will spit in the face of democracy if it gets them one.

KI_Simpson posted...

Trump lost the 2016 election

Uh...

KI_Simpson posted...

by millions of votes and you cheered on a bigoted, corrupt system because you wanted that to happen.

Nonsense and lies. Nowhere did I do that. Stop making shit up.

Hillary's unfavorable rating is 54% while only 46% of voters voted Republican in the last national election. Ergo plenty of the people critical of her candidacy and the weak arguments used to defend it aren't conservatives.

KI_Simpson posted...

And no, "but i'm an independent!111" isn't a plausible defense, you literally labeled anyone who wants everyone to have an equal vote as a "partisan Democrat",

No I labeled people who assume someone's political alignment just because they criticized one Democratic politician as partisan Democrats.

KI_Simpson posted...

you want Republicans to have an advantage and will spit in the face of democracy if it gets them one.

"This is the system" =/= "this is a good system".

Uh...

responding to half a statement makes you look desperate.

Fluttershy posted...

Uh...

responding to half a statement makes you look desperate.

It's a blatantly false half a statement, I'm being polite not directly stating that and just letting the quote speak for itself. Nobody cares what you think looks desperate when you're endorsing brainless comments.

KI_Simpson posted...

Trump being appointed was indefensible and bringing up Hillary campaigning badly is a distraction.

If this was happening every election then yeah, but outside of Florida's foul play in 2000 rarely does anyone lose the EC despite winning the popular vote. If it almost never happens then the times it does are on something other than the rules, either someone cheated (2000) or the candidates were just so shit that an anomaly happened (2016).

Hillary lost because of that Pokemon Go to the polls joke.

Nobody is going to note how unhinged it is to be casually rewatching the 2016 debates to cheer on donnie?

Lmao.

It's a blatantly false half a statement

well, yeah, that's the trick with cherrypicking,is you can twist words so they're easier to argue with. weak and desperate move.

but hey man, just trying to read the room to you. i can't make you do better, i can just tell you to.

The part of every political topic where Hoodroar pretends to not be a conservative

i wish posters like that were less convinced of their own performance art.

Trump vs desantis debates will top it, maybe

NeonTentacles posted...

Hillary lost because of that Pokemon Go to the polls joke.

Yeah, that joke was very stupid.

au_gold posted...

He at least used populist rhetoric back then, and Hillarys responses might as well have been AI generated.

Honestly I forgot how entertaining these debBernadette?

Honestly from what little I watched the one that got my attention the most was her calling him out for corrupt shit and him responding it was legal and her and several others who made a career of politics had done zilch to change it.

Fluttershy posted...

It's a blatantly false half a statement

well, yeah, that's the trick with cherrypicking,is you can twist words so they're easier to argue with. weak and desperate move.

None of the added context makes the statement any less false and it just becomes sadder the greater the attempt to justify it is.

The US has set established rules for elections everyone knows before they stsrt their campaign. Hillary did not win/Trump did not lose in 2016 based on those rules, and any attempt to weasel around it is the weak desperate move. You're projecting your own patheticness.

Doom_Art posted...

The part of every political topic where Hoodroar pretends to not be a conservative

Thinking Hillary and guys like you suck doesn't make someone a conservative regardless of how badly you want to discredit the thought. I post in opposition of conservative campaigns and policy proposals but because I appropriately recognize your failed candidate as such I'm somehow a conservative regardless? Nah fuck outta here, she's barely a representation of the left to begin with.

WalkingLobsters posted...

never felt prouder to be an american

I hope this is satire

Its very easy. People were very politically unengaged in 2016. Another milquetoast, spineless neoliberal who'd tow the party line was the last thing people wanted to talk about. Trump took advantage perfectly. He was brash, he was loony, he was funny and he used plenty of populist rhetoric.

Of course, said brashness and looniness is what cost him 2020, but its undeniable that he gamed 2016 in a way the DNC wasn't ready for at all. And likely won't be again post 2024.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

he was loony,

Only part of your post that is actually correct. He is loony, and lives in his own universe where he thinks he's funny and gets mad if you don't laugh/support him, and calls you ungrateful.

Hoodroar posted...

If this was happening every election then yeah, but outside of Florida's foul play in 2000 rarely does anyone lose the EC despite winning the popular vote. If it almost never happens then the times it does are on something other than the rules, either someone cheated (2000) or the candidates were just so shit that an anomaly happened (2016).

No, that's not how it works, it is never okay to count some votes more than others because of a system set up to favor rural areas. The fact that you're vomiting up "well the advantage usually isn't enough to change the outcome!" proves you're full of shit about not being a Republican apologist. If you think Hillary being a bad candidate means everyone who voted against that sociopathic lunatic in 2016 deserved to have their votes thrown in the trash after they made Hillary win the election (no, I'm not going to pretend the Electoral College is what matters because of a horrible decision made centuries before I was born) then you are absolutely arguing from a position of wanting the Electoral College to corrupt elections.

None of the added context makes the statement any less false

then you wouldn't have bothered cherrypicking it. kind of a duh my guy. how will you recover??

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Bernie couldn't even win the primaries.

Let's be clear, the EC is a vestige of slavery that has been retconned into a big state small state argument. It needs to go. It is undemocratic.

https://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral Collegea prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speechinstead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/electoral-college-racist-origins/601918/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/electoral-college-slavery-constitution

https://billofrightsinstitute.org/e-lessons/slavery-and-the-electoral-college

Hoodroar posted...

Thinking Hillary and guys like you suck doesn't make someone a conservative

Okay but like you are though

Not necessarily because of that, but still lol

TyVulpine posted...

Bernie couldn't even win the primaries.

Trump won the primaries, which should demonstrate how out of touch with the rest of the country primary voters tend to be.

Doom_Art posted...

Okay but like you are though

Not necessarily because of that, but still lol

Then it must be for far-right radical beliefs like supporting living wages and welfare.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80453733/973670723

And blaming Republicans for the national budget issues.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80452173/973646409

Extreme conservatism.

Fluttershy posted...

None of the added context makes the statement any less false

then you wouldn't have bothered cherrypicking it. kind of a duh my guy. how will you recover??

It's not cherrypicking when I addressed the second part of the statement immediately after mocking the first part, you just can't read past the first quotation apparently.

I think the point is, that even though Trump won, he wasn't actually more popular than Hillary.

Chronothief posted...

Bernie would have won those debates

I mean, Hillary won the debates also.

Happier times, those, but it was good while it lasted.