Current Events > What could've been done to make 261 not toxic enough to get nuked?

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KingDavid
06/01/23 3:56:02 PM
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I always noticed that 261 had 6 or more topics made by Humble Novice on the front page, with many more on the following pages afterwards, and he was just one poster that would routinely spam topics on a daily basis, and would also spam said topics on a daily basis.

A solution to this is to limit the amount of topics someone can post on 261 to a certain amount, so that topics made by Humble along with many others could be posted less frequently allowing topics that weren't made by those spam posters. I think 1 or 2 topics per day or 24 hours would suffice.

Another problem with 261 was the fact that most of mods were far, far left wing. While I understand and advocate for the banning, suspending, and removal of posters that advocated for election lies, Qanon level conspiracy theories(or even just conspiracy theories in general), and blatant racism, I got absolutely ridiculous when someone would get modded for for simply advocating for a moderate or right point of view along with being called a racist, or fascist, or a transpobe.

I've seen posters on other boards say that they've been modded for simply asking a simple question, or for simply disagreeing with them.

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A_Good_Boy
06/01/23 3:56:47 PM
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They could have enacted that karma gate that so many people were asking for.

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Ooooooranges
06/01/23 3:56:56 PM
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Probably the mods were the main problem as you note there.

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Strider102
06/01/23 3:59:14 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/1/8/AAPNOcAAEh6-.jpg

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CoyoteTheGreat
06/01/23 4:00:19 PM
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I mean, we know it wasn't nuked for that reason precisely because they've nuked other boards that weren't toxic at all, and ignored other boards that are, so nothing. The only thing that could have stopped it from being nuked would have been it going into some different corporation's hands.

We are always at the mercy of some awful CEO or another. The guillotine is always waiting to come down on every single one of your favorite websites, it is just a matter of time and the whims of someone much, much richer than you.

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BLeeD90s
06/01/23 4:02:40 PM
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Idk if it was Humble, but there was always a user making thinly veiled topics/posts/polls about killing people on the right.
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KingDavid
06/01/23 4:11:06 PM
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BLeeD90s posted...
Idk if it was Humble, but there was always a user making thinly veiled topics/posts/polls about killing people on the right.
I remember he advocated for a French-style Revolution in response to something.

While I understood his and felt his anger about the topic(I don't remember what it was), he shouldn't have said and should've been molded and suspended for such a remark.

I've seen Tony Kojima make similar comments, yet he never got banned, only suspended.

I also had a poster say that I should be aborted because I was pro life, and then my topic got modded for "trolling".
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TMOG
06/01/23 4:12:15 PM
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KingDavid posted...
I got absolutely ridiculous when someone would get modded for for simply advocating for a moderate or right point of view along with being called a racist, or fascist, or a transpobe.
Which innocent right-wing points of view were being unfairly moderated, December 2022 account with 3 active posts
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ironman2009
06/01/23 4:12:54 PM
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Ban 2/3 of the users that posted there

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KingDavid
06/01/23 4:14:18 PM
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TMOG posted...
Which innocent right-wing points of view were being unfairly moderated, December 2022 account with 3 active posts
I don't fucking remember, dude. It's been years.

And this is a new account I made after I closed my old one due to the fact I wanted to exit the toxicity of this website. But sadly I couldn't stay away for long, however.
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mercurydude
06/01/23 4:15:45 PM
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At best this topic is ignorant, at worst TC has seen SBAllen's post on the matter and is trying to gaslight everyone about why 261 was shut down.

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Axiom
06/01/23 4:16:22 PM
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Great now 261 is coming with their alts to talk about some nonexistent reason as to why their shitty board is gone

The board is dead shut up about it and move on
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KingDavid
06/01/23 4:16:33 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
Ban 2/3 if the users that posted there
Or just limit the amount of topics one can post there, and have non far left/woke mods.

You can have left wing leaning mods, because there are somethings on the left that are just common sense, like believing in Climate Change, pro environmentalism, pro corporate accountability, etc, etc.
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KingDavid
06/01/23 4:18:32 PM
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mercurydude posted...
At best this topic is ignorant, at worst TC has seen SBAllen's post on the matter and is trying to gaslight everyone about why 261 was shut down.
You see, post like this is what made 261 toxic.

I'm here trying to a calm but productive discussion about the problems of 261 and what could've been done to make it less problematic and toxic.
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Southernfatman
06/01/23 4:18:59 PM
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Seems like 261 is only considered "toxic" by users who lean right and didn't like that their awful views were actually challenged. CE and other boards have always been more "toxic" than 261.

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KingDavid
06/01/23 4:19:20 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Oh, it was toxic.

GameFAQS new corporate Overlords wouldn't have wanted it nuked if it was toxic.
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AI_TechGam3FAQS
06/01/23 4:19:26 PM
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Ooooooranges posted...
Probably the mods were the main problem as you note there.


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mercurydude
06/01/23 4:21:03 PM
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KingDavid posted...
Or just limit the amount of topics one can post there, and have non far left/woke mods.

The way y'all define both "far left" and "woke" can be summed up as merely anti-racist and/or anti-bigotry. For example, the black history classes that I had back in the 90's are deemed to be "woke" and CRT, and therefore forbidden by the Right in the same way Nazis went after everything they deemed to be "Jewry."

So what is your recommendation, that they recruit mods from Stormfront?

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TMOG
06/01/23 4:23:04 PM
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TC is really exposing how innocent his moderated posts were by repeatedly claiming the reason the board was toxic is because the mods are "woke"
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jayj350
06/01/23 4:23:31 PM
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They could have started with fair moderation that didn't simply punish any user showing up that wasn't far left enough.

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Null_Gain
06/01/23 4:24:18 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
Seems like 261 is only considered "toxic" by users who lean right and didn't like that their awful views were actually challenged. CE and other boards have always been more "toxic" than 261.

Exactly. They look to mute any and all opposing political opinions

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VeggetaX
06/01/23 4:27:52 PM
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KingDavid
06/01/23 4:28:08 PM
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mercurydude posted...
The way y'all define both "far left" and "woke" can be summed up as merely anti-racist and/or anti-bigotry. For example, the black history classes that I had back in the 90's are deemed to be "woke" and CRT, and therefore forbidden by the Right in the same way Nazis went after everything they deemed to be "Jewry."

So what is your recommendation, that they recruit mods from Stormfront?
They should recruit mods that are reasonable
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jayj350
06/01/23 4:28:29 PM
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KingDavid posted...
I remember he advocated for a French-style Revolution in response to something.

While I understood his and felt his anger about the topic(I don't remember what it was), he shouldn't have said and should've been molded and suspended for such a remark.

I've seen Tony Kojima make similar comments, yet he never got banned, only suspended.

I also had a poster say that I should be aborted because I was pro life, and then my topic got modded for "trolling".

So far left extremists were allowed to openly call for the death of everyone opposed to them, meanwhile anyone else would quickly get suspended/banned for saying no to someone like that?

Well it's no wonder why the board fell. That is simply a liability issue for the site owners having that level of extremism with such biased moderating. All they would need is for one of those crazies to go postal on someone, and for their gamefaqs posts to show up on the news to make the entire site look like some sort of left wing stormfront.

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Starks
06/01/23 4:28:44 PM
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Sure, let's bring back Fencedude and Xenoserpia /s

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FunWithAFryPan
06/01/23 4:29:28 PM
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Nothing. It wasnt censored for being toxic.

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TMOG
06/01/23 4:29:46 PM
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KingDavid posted...
They should recruit mods that are reasonable
Define "reasonable"
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mercurydude
06/01/23 4:30:23 PM
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KingDavid posted...
They should recruit mods that are reasonable

Please explain what that means. Please be as detailed as possible.

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eggcorn
06/01/23 4:30:28 PM
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Take notes if you don't want it to happen to CE.

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gatsbyy
06/01/23 4:31:03 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
Seems like 261 is only considered "toxic" by users who lean right and didn't like that their awful views were actually challenged. CE and other boards have always been more "toxic" than 261.
I dont think folks know what toxic boards really are. CE, 261 nor Realpolitik were ever close to being toxic. I remember very well Usenet political boards and how quickly the most innocent of topics would turn into flame wars and insults, There were folks there just waiting for a fight. Toxicity went so far as going into the tv boards and even science fiction tv boards.

I never encountered in my 20 plus years here folks who lived to drive people away from forums who took a weakness like a disability and turn it against them. Thats toxic.
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ai123
06/01/23 4:34:32 PM
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I got absolutely ridiculous when someone would get modded for for simply advocating for a moderate or right point of view

Never happened.

I've lost count of the number of times I've asked what 'conservative views' get modded. I've never received an answer from a conservative poster.

It isn't trickle down economics
It isn't deregulation
It isn't anti abortion
It isn't small government
It isn't fiscal responsibility
It isn't 2A rights
It isn't strong military
It isn't border control
It isn't welfare cuts
It isn't opposing UHC

The mystery goes on.

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Strand
06/01/23 5:09:45 PM
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CoyoteTheGreat posted...
I mean, we know it wasn't nuked for that reason precisely because they've nuked other boards that weren't toxic at all, and ignored other boards that are, so nothing. The only thing that could have stopped it from being nuked would have been it going into some different corporation's hands.

We are always at the mercy of some awful CEO or another. The guillotine is always waiting to come down on every single one of your favorite websites, it is just a matter of time and the whims of someone much, much richer than you.

It's possible that toxicity was the original reason why 261 was closed. Initially, DToast officially announced that political discussion boards, "specifically ones that violate our terms of use by promoting abusive language", were closed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/6-gamefaqs-announcements/80445446

But that justification looked ridiculous when the GameFaqsModerations subreddit boasted that they were responsible. Someone on CE posted their step-by-step guide for a mass email campaign that specifically targeted DToast less than two weeks before 261's closure

Then SBAllen "clarified" that 261 was closed just for being a political discussion board. But he made that clarification on CE, not as an official announcement, and DToast's original announcement about abusive language wasn't corrected or deleted.

This just created more controversy on CE. It completely contradicted DToast's reason and didn't fit the timing, considering that 261 was closed abruptly despite this supposedly being in the works for many months. But it had to become the new policy going forward, which explains why the rollout has been and will continue to be disorganized.

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mybbqrules
06/01/23 5:10:36 PM
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Raise the karma threshold to a couple hundred to keep the chud trolls out.

Also, I'm sure this topic was made in good faith.

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Damn_Underscore
06/01/23 5:11:49 PM
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How about actually ban the toxic users.

This board has definitely gotten more toxic over the last few weeks (or there are just more toxic users). I really hope that won't be the death of CE

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videospirit
06/01/23 5:13:46 PM
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There is no level of civility that would have kept 261 from getting nuked. Fandom has it out for political discourse. It's "We passed a law that everyone must be happy, why isn't everyone happy" logic on their part. They feel acting like fascists and censuring their brands thoughtspaces to only contain their approved contents will improve their brand somehow.

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TMOG
06/01/23 5:14:39 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
How about actually ban the toxic users.
What exactly would that solve when they can just make a new account right away like TC did
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WTGHookshot
06/01/23 5:17:51 PM
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I think the bigger question is, how long until CE gets nuked? The 261 posters will just migrate elsewhere, even without 261 (like realpolitick). And (like realpolitick) that will continuously occur until there are no boards left open.

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Foppe
06/01/23 5:19:24 PM
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It got nuked because it was a well known political board.
Nothing more, nothing less.

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jayj350
06/01/23 5:20:48 PM
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WTGHookshot posted...
I think the bigger question is, how long until CE gets nuked? The 261 posters will just migrate elsewhere, even without 261 (like realpolitick). And (like realpolitick) that will continuously occur until there are no boards left open.

This is why the site just needs to do a sitewide ban on all political talk. It is supposed to be a gaming site after all.

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xlr_big-coop
06/01/23 5:21:00 PM
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BLeeD90s posted...
Idk if it was Humble, but there was always a user making thinly veiled topics/posts/polls about killing people on the right.
I've seen so many people who "lowkey" want to start a revolution and enact a Marxist society. There's so many freaks out there, most death threats I've seen come from them rather than the bigots they constantly reeeee about.

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Zikten
06/01/23 5:22:46 PM
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I never thought it was toxic. But I didn't spend all my time there. It was my secondary board after CE

But it seemed like most people there had similar politics as on CE. I think the people who thought it was toxic were the conservative minority
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WTGHookshot
06/01/23 5:23:13 PM
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Foppe posted...
It got nuked because it was a well known political board.
Nothing more, nothing less.

And before long, so will this board be a well known political board as all the other political boards get nuked and those posters migrate.

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thronedfire2
06/01/23 5:23:56 PM
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ban all right wingers

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jayj350
06/01/23 5:24:26 PM
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xlr_big-coop posted...
I've seen so many people who "lowkey" want to start a revolution and enact a Marxist society. There's so many freaks out there, most death threats I've seen come from them rather than the bigots they constantly reeeee about.

Yup, there is zero self-awareness of grounding on that side. It's a problem you get when extreme people become protected and empowered. They get reckless because nobody is keeping them in check.

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