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VFalcone
06/04/23 4:59:52 PM
#53:


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Indeed. And everyone is getting shamed for it. People aren't shamed for calling a fat man a fat fuck.

But I'm glad my puns have had such a massive impact on you just had to bring it to this thread too.
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IceCreamOnStero
06/04/23 5:03:58 PM
#55:


Zonbei posted...
Because if youre choosing who to date based entirely on the criteria of are they hot, youre going to generally end up having poor quality relationships. Thats why its sad. This isnt some new concept, this is a pretty well worn idea.
When did this person imply that their relationships are poor quality or that they care that they are poor quality?

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Zonbei
06/04/23 5:34:26 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
When did this person imply that their relationships are poor quality or that they care that they are poor quality?

They didnt imply their relationships are poor quality. I did, silly.

As for whether they care: I dont usually check that people care about how their choices impact them before I point out how their choices impact them. I dont think most people do when talking on a message board.

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ai123
06/04/23 5:40:49 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
It's not the case in real life so much but it certainly is in the media. Women are pushing for broadening of "beauty standards" in a way men just aren't. Probably because resorting to such a tactic in lieu of self-improvement is (rightly) seen as a failure of character by most men

If that were the case, why aren't all the overweight men 'improving themselves'?

More likely they're afraid of being seen as effeminate or weak if they are seen to be concerned with such things.

Sane reason they don't seek mental health care.


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Giblet_Enjoyer
06/04/23 6:16:47 PM
#58:


Zonbei posted...
Get some new material instead of copying every other shitlord on the internet lol.
I'll have to take a page out of your book I suppose, "you can't get a date haha" is pretty fresh as an insult, after all

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Giblet_Enjoyer
06/04/23 6:36:26 PM
#59:


ai123 posted...
If that were the case, why aren't all the overweight men 'improving themselves'?
There's no contradiction at all here. They just accept that they're too unmotivated to get fit and that they look the way they deserve to.

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Zonbei
06/04/23 7:43:44 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
I'll have to take a page out of your book I suppose, "you can't get a date haha" is pretty fresh as an insult, after all

Yeah thats not what I said. I wrote a message that assumed people were dating and then tacked on this assumes youre dating at all, I suppose, because, shocker, some people dont. Including, you know. Aromantic and asexual people. Youre the one who took it as an insult.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
06/04/23 8:02:56 PM
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Zonbei posted...
Yeah thats not what I said. I wrote a message that assumed people were dating and then tacked on this assumes youre dating at all, I suppose, because, shocker, some people dont. Including, you know. Aromantic and asexual people. Youre the one who took it as an insult.
Ah how did I not realize you were referring to asexual people when you said some men are sad just because of their dating preferences and are perhaps not dating at all, it's so obvious now. My b

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Zonbei
06/04/23 8:28:03 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Ah how did I not realize you were referring to asexual people when talking about how sad men are for their dating preferences and that said men might not be dating anyone. The connection is so obvious now. My b


It was just this message assumes youre dating people as a disclaimer, my dude. Its not that deep.

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Gritty
06/04/23 8:28:24 PM
#63:


AloneIBreak posted...
Patriarchy/misogyny

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TerraSeeker
06/04/23 8:32:42 PM
#64:


We don't though. Fat men aren't considered attractive.

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Stallion_Prime
06/04/23 8:37:52 PM
#65:


Why are short women tolerated more than short men?

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Euripides
06/04/23 9:05:23 PM
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Can't we just agree that there are too many fat men AND women in this country?

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stage4saiyan
06/04/23 11:43:29 PM
#68:


foreverzero212 posted...
Feels like a lot of this board is in their 40s/50s
I refuse to believe this.

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KhlavicLanguage
06/04/23 11:45:03 PM
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Because society values men on a combination of their status, personality, and looks (probably in that order) while it values women almost entirely on their looks

unfortunate but alas
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Sega9599
06/05/23 8:30:43 AM
#70:


Zonbei posted...
Its a matter of degree; on average, fat men are more acceptable to society than fat women and face less harassment.

In what way?

Women are automatically judged on appearance by society at large. They see higher highs, and so to you it seems loke lower lows. But it is known that some people are still attracted to them, and there are movements to stop bullying of them.

No one is attracted to a fat man.
No terms exist like 'thicc' for overweight men.
Fat men are seen as a joke. They aren't even seriously considered for their looks. They're not even in the conversation.


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Zonbei
06/05/23 12:26:58 PM
#71:


Sega9599 posted...
In what way?

Women are automatically judged on appearance by society at large. They see higher highs, and so to you it seems loke lower lows. But it is known that some people are still attracted to them, and there are movements to stop bullying of them.

No one is attracted to a fat man.
No terms exist like 'thicc' for overweight men.
Fat men are seen as a joke. They aren't even seriously considered for their looks. They're not even in the conversation.

no one is attracted to a fat man is just demonstrably untrue. Plenty of women are. I personally know plenty of women that are. Ive dated women who tell me they usually dont date people as skinny as me.

But I didnt even say anything about them being seen as more attractive. I said they are more acceptable to society and harassed less. Which is true regardless of whether no one is attracted to fat men.

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ArsGoetia
06/05/23 12:31:04 PM
#72:


tbqh ive never seen any kind of prevalent incidence of men being shitty to a fat woman for just existing, only for having feelings other than shame about being overweight

ive seen women just tear each other apart for being fat, skinny, average, pretty, ugly, etc. tho
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Zonbei
06/05/23 12:36:06 PM
#73:


ArsGoetia posted...
tbqh ive never seen any kind of prevalent incidence of men being shitty to a fat woman for just existing, only for having feelings other than shame about being overweight

ive seen women just tear each other apart for being fat, skinny, average, pretty, ugly, etc. tho

You're either lying or youre blind. Given its you, Im going to go with the former.

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Nosferatu_Zodd
06/05/23 12:41:21 PM
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Everyone should eat well and stay physically active

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voldothegr8
06/05/23 12:49:19 PM
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Because fat men aren't on the cover of magazines trying to promote their fatness as healthy?

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ArsGoetia
06/05/23 1:13:13 PM
#76:


Zonbei posted...
You're either lying or youre blind. Given its you, Im going to go with the former.

are you gonna threaten to call me a potato again
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Zonbei
06/05/23 1:21:39 PM
#77:


ArsGoetia posted...
are you gonna threaten to call me a potato again

No I pretty explicitly said I wouldnt be calling anyone a potato anymore since its allegedly a slur of some kind, even though it was literally just a random object I chose (of several) because I got modded for calling trolls more direct insults. I also never threatened to do so in the first place lol.

This explanation is more for others than you, since youre a troll.

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ArsGoetia
06/05/23 1:31:37 PM
#78:


Zonbei posted...
No I pretty explicitly said I wouldnt be calling anyone a potato anymore since its allegedly a slur of some kind, even though it was literally just a random object I chose (of several) because I got modded for calling trolls more direct insults. I also never threatened to do so in the first place lol.


maybe find a better argument strategy than name-calling then idk. doesn't seem like it ever goes very well for you buddy.
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Zonbei
06/05/23 1:36:33 PM
#79:


ArsGoetia posted...
maybe find a better argument strategy than name-calling then idk. doesn't seem like it ever goes very well for you buddy.

The name calling usually goes alongside the well formed arguments, obviously. (Or is used when Ive decided Im done entertaining an argument with some particular piece of shit.) You probably havent noticed because you dont bother to actually read anything.

Youre not going to be successful in trying to shame me by pointing out I like to insult jerks lmao.

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ArsGoetia
06/05/23 1:54:39 PM
#80:


Zonbei posted...
The name calling usually goes alongside the well formed arguments, obviously. (Or is used when Ive decided Im done entertaining an argument with some particular piece of shit.) You probably havent noticed because you dont bother to actually read anything.


you make arguments beyond how unfair you think it is that you cant call me potato?
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Zonbei
06/05/23 2:37:39 PM
#81:


ArsGoetia posted...
you make arguments beyond how unfair you think it is that you cant call me potato?

Yes, but again youve probably had a hard time noticing because you cant read.

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ArsGoetia
06/05/23 2:41:51 PM
#82:


Zonbei posted...
Yes, but again youve probably had a hard time noticing because you cant read.

how you gonna make me feel bad for being illiterate and then complain about fat shaming
i too am a product of society's failings
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LightHawKnight
06/05/23 2:44:32 PM
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People tolerate fat men? Where?

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Zonbei
06/05/23 2:58:28 PM
#84:


ArsGoetia posted...
how you gonna make me feel bad for being illiterate and then complain about fat shaming
i too am a product of society's failings

You're certainly a product of someones failings.

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ArsGoetia
06/05/23 3:15:36 PM
#85:


Zonbei posted...
You're certainly a product of someones failings.

i think you are a valuable person and it makes me sad that you feel the need to insult others
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Sega9599
06/05/23 6:59:18 PM
#86:


Zonbei posted...
I said they are more acceptable to society and harassed less. Which is true regardless of whether no one is attracted to fat men.

They aren't considered seriously. They're second class citizens that are never defended for their weight when attacked over it.
How is that more positive than a society that is slowly starting to celebrate even morbidly obese women?

Zonbei posted...
no one is attracted to a fat man is just demonstrably untrue. Plenty of women are

Sorry it's not an absolute. I don't mean no one ever.
But it's not realistic. First thing an overweight guy is told to do if they want girls? Lose weight. Women are told to find someone who will accept and love you for who you are.
Even now, we can call fat men, fat. We can't call women fat. Thats not an absolute statement, those that do call women fat are seen as doing a bad thing, a rebellious mean thing. Call a fat man fat and you're just telling him the truth. He should laugh it off and accept it or lose it.


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MyBirthRight
06/05/23 7:01:38 PM
#87:


Zonbei posted...
no one is attracted to a fat man is just demonstrably untrue.

Wrong. It's socially acceptable to make fun of a fat man. It is not socially acceptable to make fun of a fat woman

A fat man can still increase his overall value by having a good job/status and thus punch above his weight. However, if we are taking a normal fat guy vs fat woman, the fat woman will be praised more, get laid more, etc

Women don't consider "personality" when it comes to a fat man unless the fat man already has certain prerequisites(good job, good social status, not a loser, etc).
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Zonbei
06/05/23 8:47:30 PM
#88:


MyBirthRight posted...
Wrong. It's socially acceptable to make fun of a fat man. It is not socially acceptable to make fun of a fat woman

A fat man can still increase his overall value by having a good job/status and thus punch above his weight. However, if we are taking a normal fat guy vs fat woman, the fat woman will be praised more, get laid more, etc

Women don't consider "personality" when it comes to a fat man unless the fat man already has certain prerequisites(good job, good social status, not a loser, etc).

You people are living in some insane alternate reality. Or maybe my state is just less shitty than wherever the hell you live. Because absolutely none of this is anything like my experiences or those of many of the people I know.

Its mostly the weird way you keep pretending women are a monolith thats insane to me.

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MyBirthRight
06/05/23 9:01:11 PM
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Zonbei posted...
You people are living in some insane alternate reality. Or maybe my state is just less shitty than wherever the hell you live. Because absolutely none of this is anything like my experiences or those of many of the people I know.

Its mostly the weird way you keep pretending women are a monolith thats insane to me.
Men want a woman who is good looking/pleasant to look at.

Women want a guy who is tall, good looking, has a good personality, has a great job, good social status, etc.

A man can make up for being fat or ugly through other factors. Because attraction to a man is dependent on multiple factors. Not just one thing.

Genders tend to like or prefer certain things or traits. The idea that everyone is just 100% different is rooted in flawed thinking.
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DementedDurian
06/05/23 9:03:46 PM
#91:


There's plenty of good-looking men and women who are overweight.

I am...not one of them.

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Dabrikishaw15
06/05/23 9:05:43 PM
#92:


ai123 posted...
Women of all sizes are criticized for their appearance far more than men.

AloneIBreak posted...
Patriarchy/misogyny


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argonautweakend
06/05/23 9:52:26 PM
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I feel like society does tolerate fat men over fat women.

From personal experience I am a 5'7" male and my weight has ranged from 180-230 in my life. Even at the higher end, being firmly obese, outside of high school nobody has made comments about my weight, other than actual encouragement(which, fat shaming IS NOT encouragement. no matter how much people try to claim it is).

But regardless of who has it worse, people should really just shut up about other peoples bodies.
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Zonbei
06/05/23 9:54:33 PM
#94:


MyBirthRight posted...
Men want a woman who is good looking/pleasant to look at.

Women want a guy who is tall, good looking, has a good personality, has a great job, good social status, etc.

A man can make up for being fat or ugly through other factors. Because attraction to a man is dependent on multiple factors. Not just one thing.

Genders tend to like or prefer certain things or traits. The idea that everyone is just 100% different is rooted in flawed thinking.

I dont know about you, but pleasant to look at is far from my only criteria for the women I date. And similarly, different women want different things. The only flawed thinking here is your weird gender essentialism. Even though youre accidentally right about the fact that many women dont only care about looks.

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MyBirthRight
06/06/23 8:59:24 AM
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And similarly, different women want different things.
You're going to need to be specific here. Having a great well paying job, taking care of yourself, being social and being able to communicate properly and effectively are seen as universal attractive traits

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lolife67
06/06/23 9:07:05 AM
#96:


AloneIBreak posted...
Patriarchy/misogyny

BewmHedshot posted...
Due to a variety of forces and historical biases, women's social value is sometimes defined solely by how attractive they are, whereas a man can be valuable via his talents, wealth, political power, etc.
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