Current Events > The Little Mermaid is in danger of breaking even or even losing money.

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KTG2 posted...

At that level, per finance sources, off a reported $250M production cost and $140M global marketing spend,

Wow... that's amazing.
$400 million to produce and sell a single movie.

Kind of insane.
Is this what it costs to make modern "summer action/adventure" movies these days?

Requiem posted...

Wow... that's amazing.
$400 million to produce and sell a single movie.

Kind of insane.
Is this what it costs to make modern "summer action/adventure" movies these days?

It is. But remember most blockbusters hit $600M+ now.

Disney will also not be happy if it breaks even. There's opportunity costs to consider. They could have spent that money on another film that would have made more. So for their internal accounting perspectives, the loss is really the delta between what LMM makes and what another film would have made.

Ricemills posted...

It's definitely your problem if you cannot see the racism.

You're just talking past me. I've never said or implied that racism wasn't some* factor in how the trailer or movie was received.

See?
You don't even watched it, and yet you also ride on the narrative that the movie is soulless.

See what? That's you're going to condescending suggest I'm incapable of independently judging a trailer for myself?
Gees, that'll get people to watch a movie!

Disney has a strong track record of running content into the ground until there is nothing left. MCU since Endgame is the best example. Now they've done it with live action remakes. I didn't even realize new movies like Pinnochio were even out until I saw YouTube videos trashing them.

I feel like Aladdin and Lion King did so amazingly well is because Disney turning everything into live-action was still a fairly new concept. Malificent was a unique take on Sleeping Beauty and Jungle Book wasn't too bad, and Aladdin and Lion King were two huge nostalgia hits for parents in their 30s to take their kids to. But, even though they made a ton of money, I think people started to realize these were getting more and more soulless compared to the cartoon and there's so many of them made now, that interest is dwindling in the concept.

so i wonder, when Disney reaches a point where they have nothing left to remake, what then? they gonna remake the remakes? lol

chaos_knight posted...

Disney has a strong track record of running content into the ground until there is nothing left.

Yet, Disney has done nothing with Prydain since the 80s.

AI_TechGam3FAQS posted...

You blame the maga crowd but the other crowd didnt even watch it either

To add to his. I don't think they are going to get much repeat business for this movie either.

I have heard a few times that some younger kids found it scary, and that after seeing it some parents(where I live latest) felt it wasn't really a kids movie.

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

so i wonder, when Disney reaches a point where they have nothing left to remake, what then? they gonna remake the remakes? lol

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/4/AAAgM2AAEikK.jpg

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

so i wonder, when Disney reaches a point where they have nothing left to remake, what then? they gonna remake the remakes? lol

I dont care what they do as long as they stop acquiring more companies. If they acquired Illumination it would be a disaster.

They they done with remakes they will remake the cheap minors sequels.

Lets look at it like this.

what is the target demographic?

is it older people who were fans of the original? Maybe, but they are more likely to blow it off unless they have young kids or grandkids.

is it children? Again possibly, but where is the bright colors that would draw in kids to ask their parents to go see it?

I see no acceptable answer for either side, so it has no target, just floating out there on a piece of driftwood.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

I dont care what they do as long as they stop acquiring more companies. If they acquired Illumination it would be a disaster.

Monopolies aren't a thing, though! You're fear mongering, just like the people against Microsoft right now.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

I dont care what they do as long as they stop acquiring more companies. If they acquired Illumination it would be a disaster.

don't give them any ideas fam. lol

Racism it's the perfect scapegoat.
People keep acting like racism is the reason Little Mermaid failed not that people might be tired of hyper realistic looking Disney animal creatures or the movie is padded out to be longer than the original.

It's not as if people get upset that characters don't look like The original even when they're not race swapped cough cough RE4 Ashley (most recent example). People were even bothered by Ellie from The last of Us not looking anything like her video game version.

If Disney respected minorities theyd give them their own great original characters. People love stuff like static shock and Black panther.
Pretending Disney actually care about racism is funny when they change stuff for the Chinese audience like trying to hide black characters on their movie posters, etc.

I have a cynical theory that large corporations engage in diversity representation as a built-in excuse for poor box office performance or to defend against poor reviews. Truth is, Disney has just driven this live-action remake concept to the ground. And who in the hell wants to take young children to a 2.25 hour movie? This movie is only fifteen minutes shorter than The Dark Knight! It is as long as Terminator 2 ffs.

I miss when VHS forced filmmakers to keep movies to around 90-120 minutes.

AndreLeGeant posted...

And who in the hell wants to take young children to a 2.25 hour movie?

A two hour talking-animal musical, where the talking animals are uncanny at best.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/6/AAAgM2AAEikW.jpg
beginning to get this vibe

Requiem posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/4/AAAgM2AAEikK.jpg

lol

BurmesePenguin posted...

Jumgle Book is like the only good one.

I thought Dumbo was decent enough, only because instead of making an inferior version of the cartoon they practically made it a different movie by changing the perspective to the humans.

AndreLeGeant posted...

And who in the hell wants to take young children to a 2.25 hour movie? This movie is only fifteen minutes shorter than The Dark Knight! It is as long as Terminator 2 ffs.

I miss when VHS forced filmmakers to keep movies to around 90-120 minutes.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the trend going on with movie runtime. Back in the day, movies over 2 hours were a rarity and considered very long. Nowadays, almost 2.5 hours is the average length. That wouldn't be a problem if the average movie of today was actually good, but the majority of movies that come out these days are mediocre or outright trash/boring.

It's like every damn movie HAS to be almost 2.5hrs now. Some are even pushing it past 3hrs now. It's getting ridiculous. These movies do not deserve to go past 90min.

EDIT: Shit, the original Little Mermaid was only 83 minutes. Why is the new one 135?

VFalcone posted...

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the trend going on with movie runtime. Back in the day, movies over 2 hours were a rarity and considered very long. Nowadays, almost 2.5 hours is the average length. That wouldn't be a problem if the average movie of today was actually good, but the majority of movies that come out these days are mediocre or outright trash/boring.

It's like every damn movie HAS to be almost 2.5hrs now. Some are even pushing it past 3hrs now. It's getting ridiculous. These movies do not deserve to go past 90min.

EDIT: Shit, the original Little Mermaid was only 83 minutes. Why is the new one 135?

Because scenes that in the cartoon last 20 seconds are now multi-minute CG action sequences. No one stops to ask if a scene or concept are necessary.

I loved the Mario movie because it's the perfect length. I felt that each sequence and scene was exactly as long as it needed to be, no more or less.

Editing is a completely lost art in an era of limitless data storage and transfer.

It isn't just cartoons. Con-Air is 1h 55m. Today it would probably be 2h 35m. Is there really another 40 minutes worth adding to Con-Air? Of course not.

FortuneCookie posted...

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I won't pretend that racism isn't a factor, but I think this film would have fallen short of expectations regardless.

Since when Flounder was a barred knifejaw?

I took a film class in college and my proff said that the reason movies were getting longer is that places like china, India and Africa prefer longer movies and so in order to appeal to those markets movies were getting longer.

Oh yeah, Indian loves long movies. Their movies usually 2-3 hours long.

My grandmother-in-law(is that even correct term?) Took my daughter to see it Saturday. My kid loved it. She had never seen the original.

I saw an interesting take from someone I follow on social media recently: the water in this mostly CGI film about beings that live underwater looks *terrible*

In a world where Avatar 2 came out within a year of this, there's no excuse for the water in this movie about being underwater to look like ass.

The mindless drama around the casting choices seems to have centered the arguments about this film on pointless culture war bullshit when the reality is the movie just doesn't look good

Also to piggyback off what somebody else said, where the hell did they find 53 minutes of added content to put in this movie? The original film was *breezy* and for kids, with a few fun nods to adults; not for elder millennials obsessed with nostalgia and everything having deep "lore"

The minority casting kinda made sense.

its set in the Caribbean Sea so makes sense that Ariel and the queen are black.

in the original where are they supposed to be set? England? Are there even tropical seas there?

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

so i wonder, when Disney reaches a point where they have nothing left to remake, what then? they gonna remake the remakes? lol

Look into old Japanese manga series from the 50's, 60's, and 70's to rip off from.

I always find it funny like a bunch of grown ass dudes whining about little mermaid but trying to act like hardasses at the same time.

Like aww man did they ruin Little Mermaid for you big strong maga bro. Was that your favorite movie? Little mermaid?

Foppe posted...

So they didnt release posters that toned down her skin color?

No, they released normal powers which were unchanged from the American ones.

They didn't tone down her skin color.

kiwimyweewee posted...

I always find it funny like a bunch of grown ass dudes whining about little mermaid but trying to act like hardasses at the same time.

Like aww man did they ruin Little Mermaid for you big strong maga bro. Was that your favorite movie? Little mermaid?

Most of em never cared about little mermaid UNTIL she was black ironically

The movie wasn't very good in the first place tbh

Toonstrack posted...

No, they released normal powers which were unchanged from the American ones.

They didn't tone down her skin color.

So the one I posted was never used now?

Oreos74 posted...

The minority casting kinda made sense.

its set in the Caribbean Sea so makes sense that Ariel and the queen are black.

in the original where are they supposed to be set? England? Are there even tropical seas there?

I read at some point that it's supposed to be Portugal, Gascony, or Italy. It really doesn't make sense that the queen or Ariel are black if this is set in the Caribbean; at the time when this would have happened, black people were only in the Caribbean because they had been kidnapped from Africa and enslaved.

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

so i wonder, when Disney reaches a point where they have nothing left to remake, what then? they gonna remake the remakes? lol

You can bet your sweet ass they will.

I loved Aladdin. It was dumb ah live action but it was fun....

FortuneCookie posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/5/8/AAdlC_AAEihG.jpg

I won't pretend that racism isn't a factor, but I think this film would have fallen short of expectations regardless.

lol realistic "woke" Flounder

Foppe posted...

So the one I posted was never used now?

Yes it was, that poster do was not tone down her skin color for Chinese audiences. Its literally just her underwater and you and others tried to push a narrative that they were hiding her skin tone

AndreLeGeant posted...

I read at some point that it's supposed to be Portugal, Gascony, or Italy. It really doesn't make sense that the queen or Ariel are black if this is set in the Caribbean; at the time when this would have happened, black people were only in the Caribbean because they had been kidnapped from Africa and enslaved.

Ariel is a mermaid and has no racial heritage resembling anything a human would have.

In the movie, many mermaids and merman are shown of all different "ethnicities" her sisters range from white to Asian looking to black.

_Krave_ posted...

Guess the go woke go broke thing reigns true.

It's utterly amazing that casting a black person in a movie is now "woke" The fucking racism of that is so far off the charts I can't even believe it.

AndreLeGeant posted...

I read at some point that it's supposed to be Portugal, Gascony, or Italy. It really doesn't make sense that the queen or Ariel are black if this is set in the Caribbean; at the time when this would have happened, black people were only in the Caribbean because they had been kidnapped from Africa and enslaved.

ITP : When you stretch so far to embrace your racism that you are claiming "casting" is off in a Disney movie due to historical data.

She's a fucking MERMAID.

Sandalorn posted...

ITP : When you stretch so far to embrace your racism that you are claiming "casting" is off in a Disney movie due to historical data.

She's a fucking MERMAID.

He was responding to someone that suggested Ariel should have been black based on geography. Pointing out how their reasoning is wrong (instead of just unnecessary) isn't the same as him taking up that argument himself.

AndreLeGeant posted...

I read at some point that it's supposed to be Portugal, Gascony, or Italy. It really doesn't make sense that the queen or Ariel are black if this is set in the Caribbean; at the time when this would have happened, black people were only in the Caribbean because they had been kidnapped from Africa and enslaved.

261 poster

Toonstrack posted...

Ariel is a mermaid and has no racial heritage resembling anything a human would have.

In the movie, many mermaids and merman are shown of all different "ethnicities" her sisters range from white to Asian looking to black.

Sandalorn posted...

She's a fucking MERMAID.

There responses also work for the poster he was responding to;

Oreos74 posted...

The minority casting kinda made sense.

its set in the Caribbean Sea so makes sense that Ariel and the queen are black.

in the original where are they supposed to be set? England? Are there even tropical seas there?

_____Cait posted...

Wow i guess disney will have to either make an effort with movies again, or cater to fragile MAGA who dont want to see minorities

It did really well in the US, so I wouldnt make this a MAGA issue at all.

That said, the rest of the world, particularly China, didnt care for it. But then again, Im not sure why they would. They dont have any connection to the animated story like Americans do and it probably gets translated to them as the small half-fish woman who sings and is black

But point is, as racist as the US is (and it is) its still far ahead of the majority of the world, including most parts of Europe

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

He was responding to someone that suggested Ariel should have been black based on geography. Pointing out how their reasoning is wrong (instead of just unnecessary) isn't the same as him taking up that argument himself.

Don't worry Anarchy. I know you have his back. Anyone that posted on 261 knows how you feel about these situations.

Suolevram posted...

My grandmother-in-law(is that even correct term?) Took my daughter to see it Saturday. My kid loved it. She had never seen the original.

I mean of course if you've never had a burger in your life then McDonald's is going to taste amazing

kiwimyweewee posted...

I always find it funny like a bunch of grown ass dudes whining about little mermaid but trying to act like hardasses at the same time.

Like aww man did they ruin Little Mermaid for you big strong maga bro. Was that your favorite movie? Little mermaid?

Oh so you're going to make fun of people for liking the little mermaid huh?

deoxxys posted...

I mean of course if you've never had a burger in your life then McDonald's is going to taste amazing

My roommate in collage was Chinese and the first thing he tried over here was a burger that he hated. He would never try a second burger because of that experience.

So no, not really.