Current Events > MK 1(2) gameplay tomorrow!

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Here's hoping it plays like MK9!

And that we get info on the stress tests!

MK will need to do a couple of things to make it better gameplay wise.

Better battle animations that don't look awkward.

Give us more options rather than taking them away like they did with Injustice 2 and MK11.

Let projectiles clash. This is one of the biggest issues with it comes to zoning in NRS games. Essentially whoever throws out their projectiles first is always going to have the edge. Tournaments are so boring to watch because Zoning is way to fucking safe in these games. No one enjoys a laser beam show or a guy chucking rocks at his opponents while they're only options is to slowly duck and move forward.

If they can do this I will actually enjoy playing their games. The closets I had to fun with them was probably MKX.

You had all that empty space in the topic title too

Prestoff posted...

MK will need to do a couple of things to make it better gameplay wise.

Better battle animations that don't look awkward.

Give us more options rather than taking them away like they did with Injustice 2 and MK11.

Let projectiles clash. This is one of the biggest issues with it comes to zoning in NRS games. Essentially whoever throws out their projectiles first is always going to have the edge. Tournaments are so boring to watch because Zoning is way to fucking safe in these games. No one enjoys a laser beam show or a guy chucking rocks at his opponents while they're only options is to slowly duck and move forward.

If they can do this I will actually enjoy playing their games. The closets I had to fun with them was probably MKX.

Never understood this. You have games like SF where characters move so janky that they practically teleport to new positions without any transitional frames between, then you got MK with pretty smooth looking combos without any teleporting to a new position between them.

Tekken is probably the most smooth out of all fighting games, as everything flows smoothly.

MK animation/art styles/audio are realistic, which makes attacks look weak. A lot of it is meat slapping meat and it not very stylish or flashy in General combat.

A low mk > hadoken in SF sells cuz it's snappy, it pops in color, and it's loud, despite realistically it wouldn't look like it would hurt much at all. MK looks great during fatalities and intros, but combat looks awkward in normal gameplay

They need to make it look like a comic book, or attack on Titan or something

Can't wait to see it! Hope they show fatalities.

PowerOats posted...

MK animation/art styles/audio are realistic, which makes attacks look weak. A lot of it is meat slapping meat and it not very stylish or flashy in General combat.

A low mk > hadoken in SF sells cuz it's snappy, it pops in color, and it's loud, despite realistically it wouldn't look like it would hurt much at all. MK looks great during fatalities and intros, but combat looks awkward in normal gameplay

They need to make it look like a comic book, or attack on Titan or something

Imho they look really meaty and transition together well, you can see the character moving from position to position. You can't say one has bad animations when it doesn't, and just looks less flashy or stylized.

With MK's animations, characters just don't move naturally. There's no sense of weight or momentum behind their actions, though I do think Liu Kang and Kung Lao have some great animations.

Here's a good comparison video. You can see some weird janky shit, like Scorpion somehow doing a jump without pushing himself off the ground. Then there's other stuff like characters arms flailing around wildly while their lower half is completely stiff:

https://youtu.be/Dxm_P15YEaU

I really hope they go back to the MKX style of gameplay

11 was boring as fuck

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

With MK's animations, characters just don't move naturally. There's no sense of weight or momentum behind their actions, though I do think Liu Kang and Kung Lao have some great animations.

Here's a good comparison video:

https://youtu.be/Dxm_P15YEaU

I mean, yeah. It's a video game. They don't in SF either. That video seems to miss out on the stuff I was saying, too, which makes sense as that channel seems like a channel that would hold a lot of biases given it's SF based.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

With MK's animations, characters just don't move naturally. There's no sense of weight or momentum behind their actions, though I do think Liu Kang and Kung Lao have some great animations.

Here's a good comparison video. You can see some weird janky shit, like Scorpion somehow doing a jump without pushing himself off the ground. Then there's other stuff like characters arms flailing around wildly while their lower half is completely stiff:

https://youtu.be/Dxm_P15YEaU

A lot of the animation in Mortal Kombat feels lifeless.

Slayer_22 posted...

Here's hoping it plays like MK9!

And that we get info on the stress tests!

It's not 1(2) it's just 1.

Slayer_22 posted...

I mean, yeah. It's a video game. They don't in SF either. That video seems to miss out on the stuff I was saying, too, which makes sense as that channel seems like a channel that would hold a lot of biases given it's SF based.

It's literally just a comparison video though. You can see identical animations being compared, but Street Fighter's characters are actually building up momentum to give their motions weight.

The clearest example in the video is Ryu actually bending his knees to perform a jump while Scorpion is able to just magically propel himself into the air without any force.

And then you have shit like Terminator's low kick which is just straight up unforgivable.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/8/AAbtL8AAEjDe.jpg

PenultmateGohan posted...

It's not 1(2) it's just 1.

It's technically MK12. But it's called MK1.
RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It's literally just a comparison video though. You can see identical animations being compared, but Street Fighter's characters are actually building up momentum to give their motions weight.

The clearest example in the video is Ryu actually bending his knees to perform a jump while Scorpion is able to just magically propel himself into the air without any force.

And then you have shit like Terminator's low kick which is just straight up unforgivable.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/8/AAbtL8AAEjDe.jpg

Yeah, but it's showing SF's stronger points while missing MK's superior points. Bleh.

Slayer_22 posted...

It's technically MK12. But it's called MK1.

Nope. It's MK1. You're like one of those people who call God of War: Ragnarok "God of War 5."

You can call it Mortal Kombat 1 (2023) or Mortal Kombat 1.

If they wanted to call it 12 they would have called it 12.

You can continue to call it 12 and be incorrect though. Lol

Slayer_22 posted...

Yeah, but it's showing SF's stronger points while missing MK's superior points. Bleh.

Also, you were wrong. Just take the L. Some of us also just play the games and have fun and don't notice weird crap like this. I think you're just wired to play that way though. Some people are.

The games are games, not real life. Don't take it so seriously.

Slayer_22 posted...

It's technically MK12. But it's called MK1.

Yeah, but it's showing SF's stronger points while missing MK's superior points. Bleh.

I mean, I'm not sure what you expect. It's literally just showing off each game's approach to identical movements. If the result is that SF comes out looking better than MK then what does that say? This is also far from the only channel that showcases the flaws in MK's animation.

And what do you feel are MK's superior points?

PenultmateGohan posted...

Also, you were wrong. Just take the L. Some of us also just play the games and have fun and don't notice weird crap like this. I think you're just wired to play that way though. Some people are.

The games are games, not real life. Don't take it so seriously.

...wha? I'm confused? What do you mean?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, I'm not sure what you expect. It's literally just showing off each game's approach to identical movements. If the result is that SF comes out looking better than MK then what does that say? This is also far from the only channel that showcases the flaws in MK's animation.

And what do you feel are MK's superior points?

Like I said before, they have better transitional frames, resting frames, and I love how meaty and heavy everything is. Though I will say, I preferred MK9's floatier jumps.

https://youtu.be/t06Dkdg6fEo

The best video on articulating why MK's animation sucks

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Then there's other stuff like characters arms flailing around wildly while their lower half is completely stiff:

This, so much this.
I think it just gives a very unnatural weird vibe

I hope it plays more like MKX than MK11. Also REALLY hope they get rid of variations. Or if they bring it back, make it like X and not 11. And 2 variations at the most.

I just want them to not make it always-online.

Requiem posted...

This, so much this.
I think it just gives a very unnatural weird vibe

Yeah I would hate it if my game about immortal sorcerers, cyborg assassins, zombies, demons, lizard people, gods, and four-armed giants (one of which is a furry) had an unnatural and weird vibe

Slayer_22 posted...

...wha? I'm confused? What do you mean?

Like I said before, they have better transitional frames, resting frames, and I love how meaty and heavy everything is. Though I will say, I preferred MK9's floatier jumps.

Transitional frames don't really matter as much since the human mind has the ability to fill in the gaps, especially when the animation is happening so quickly that you can't really tell that something is missing.

What IS immediately noticeable is when characters throw punches without leaning in, or when they jump without bending their knees, or when their upper and lower bodies are doing two completely different things.

I'll watch. Gameplay is highly important to me since both MK installments since 9 have been progressively weaker in that department, IMO.

TMOG posted...

Yeah I would hate it if my game about immortal sorcerers, cyborg assassins, zombies, demons, lizard people, gods, and four-armed giants (one of which is a furry) had an unnatural and weird vibe

None of these aspects change how the human body and physics work, though.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

None of these aspects change how the human body and physics work, though.

Only one of the things I mentioned is human (and even then, not always) and at least three of them can break the laws of --

Wait did you just mention the laws of physics in Mortal Kombat, a game where you can rip a guy's skeleton out while keeping the rest of his body standing in the same place?

In case it's not clear I'm just being hyperbolic and having fun, I know the animations are weird lol

TMOG posted...

In case it's not clear I'm just being hyperbolic and having fun, I know the animations are weird lol

Fair enough lol

TMOG posted...

Only one of the things I mentioned is human (and even then, not always) and at least three of them can break the laws of --

Wait did you just mention the laws of physics in Mortal Kombat, a game where you can rip a guy's skeleton out while keeping the rest of his body standing in the same place?

In case it's not clear I'm just being hyperbolic and having fun, I know the animations are weird lol

I don't know why it took me until MK9 to have a problem with Sub-Zero freezing people in mid-air.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/6/AAA4MKAAEjE2.jpg

I mean I like MK a lot, but yeah stepping up the animations, among other things, would be super nice. Kind of nervous for it tho, especially given the assist mechanics

Solid_Sonic posted...

I don't know why it took me until MK9 to have a problem with Sub-Zero freezing people in mid-air.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/6/AAA4MKAAEjE2.jpg

I don't even really mind this, since it's part of the blatant ridiculousness of MK, like people being able to rip out spines with their barehands or turning somebody's head into mush just by clapping their hands.

I just want them to tone down the INSANE grind for customizables that MK11 had. Good God it was so annoying

It's not just the animations either, just the entire feel is clunky like the animations.

Lets hope that the animations and general feel of the game arent garbage this time.

Blue_Inigo posted...

I just want them to tone down the INSANE grind for customizables that MK11 had. Good God it was so annoying

Yeah even after they patched it it was horrible.

Nothing was as bad as injustice 2 tho

When is it?

I personally loved the customization options in Injustice 2 and Mortal Kombat 11, I just hated that it was pure RNG. MK11 somewhat remedied it by removing the dumb stat system so you didn't have to worry about getting doubles, but I still would have liked some way to choose a specific piece of gear as a reward rather than hoping that you'll finally get the arms you want for Jax, the hat you want for Raiden, or the color scheme you want for Liu Kang.

Especially the ones that were tied to online seasons.

I honestly found it weird how much of a stepback MK11's customization was compared to Injustice 2. IJ2 allowed you to apply whatever color combo you wanted to whatever outfit you happened to be wearing.

Whereas in MK11, you were restricted to whatever color scheme was available for a specific outfit.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

With MK's animations, characters just don't move naturally. There's no sense of weight or momentum behind their actions, though I do think Liu Kang and Kung Lao have some great animations.

Here's a good comparison video. You can see some weird janky shit, like Scorpion somehow doing a jump without pushing himself off the ground. Then there's other stuff like characters arms flailing around wildly while their lower half is completely stiff:

https://youtu.be/Dxm_P15YEaU

Oh man thanks. Me and my friend always commented about why something felt off in NRS animations and I'm glad we're not the only ones that noticed it.

Master_Kazuya posted...

https://youtu.be/t06Dkdg6fEo

The best video on articulating why MK's animation sucks

This dude's video gets reposted constantly, but it's just a bunch of weird, made-up rules that only fit a very specific scenario he paints. It's nonsense otherwise.
Cheater87 posted...

When is it?

No specific time spot I've seen, but I'll post something when it goes up!

https://youtu.be/jnVTPkCWzcI

September 19th!

Kenshi is back, lads.

Kenshi manages to always look badass but GODDAMN his new look is so good

Kenshi looks amazing Johnny Cage looks...meh. Like everything else. Noticed all the Kameo characters seem to be dressed in classic attire. MK2 Jax, MK1 Sonya, MK3 Kano, MK3 Stryker, MK2 Lao.

MILEENA!

Looks like Kameo Fighters can participate in the finishing moves.

I like the change ups from the old storyline. Sub-Zero and Scorpion are now bros and Liu Kang is the God tasked with finding Earthrealm champions while Raiden is a young warrior trying to become a hero.

Also seems like with this new storyline, Mileena could end up becoming a good guy alongside Kitana.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I like the change ups from the old storyline. Sub-Zero and Scorpion are now bros and Liu Kang is the God tasked with finding Earthrealm champions while Raiden is a young warrior trying to become a hero.

Also seems like with this new storyline, Mileena could end up becoming a good guy alongside Kitana.

Yeah, they seem to be shaking stuff up quite a bit.

The fighting definitely looks less constrained than MK 11. Closer to something like X (not quite 9 but better).

Krushing Blows appear to be exclusive to Kameo Fighters unless I missed something.

Not sure how I feel about kameos ie. sonya unplayable?