Current Events > Juneteenth shooting, 1 dead 20 injured.

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EDF-5 posted...

Citizens vote but congress decides what laws they want
despite what the people want.

the "people" dont know what they want or what they are asked actually entails nor do polls that sample 1000 people who are already aligned with how certain others like to think.

asking someone online or in a phone poll if X should be banned or regulated is a far cry from them actually doing what it would actually take like going out and actually voting, donating, calling representatives ect. most dont give enough of a shit about gun control to actually do something like that. if they did then there would be more in this country.

the NRA has become a boogyman despite hemorrhage money and members for a decade now if not longer (and really if you asked most 2nd amendment supporters [NOT "gun" supporters] then most will tell you they dont care about the NRA and would rather let them rot). people who own guns and know what the 2nd entails are who actually give a shit enough to actually donate, vote and do what it takes to keep things in check, aggressively so. most congressmen dont kowtow to the NRA or organizations, they do it due to their voters who have made is very clear will get rid of them unless they fallow what THEIR voters want.

most of the general voters dont care because guns dont actualy effect them and/or they know its going to be harder to point the blame on an inanimate object rather than the person who wields it.

Dark_Spiret posted...

the "people" dont know what they want or what they are asked actually entails nor do polls that sample 1000 people who are already aligned with how certain others like to think.

asking someone online or in a phone poll if X should be banned or regulated is a far cry from them actually doing what it would actually take like going out and actually voting, donating, calling representatives ect. most dont give enough of a shit about gun control to actually do something. if they did then there would be more in this country.

the NRA has become a boogyman despite hemorrhage money and members for a decade now if not longer. gun OWNERS are who actually give a shit enough to actually donate, vote and do what it takes to keep things in check. most congressmen dont kowtow to the NRA or organizations, they do it due to their voters who have made is very clear will get rid of them unless they fallow what THEIR voters want.

most of the general voters dont care because guns dont actualy effect them and/or they know its going to be harder to point the blame on an inanimate object rather than the person who wields it.

There's so much wrong in this post I wouldn't even know where to begin rebutting it.

boxoto posted...

Priere posted...

people import guns to places like Chicago from areas where it's easier to purchase guns.

Then why don't those areas have high gun violence too?

Also you know that's illegal right? Almost as if criminals don't care about breaking gun laws...

Liu_Kano posted...

Shows you how materialistic and selfish our society is, where one can be shot and killed for stealing a Playstation out of someone's apartment.

Lmao.

You mean killed for breaking into someone's home

yemmy posted...

Then why don't those areas have high gun violence too?

Why are 8 of the 10 states with the highest gun murder rate red?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Samurai_Man posted...

Because we're not Australia. Next.

I don't believe in gun control, never have, never will. But I believe we have a mental health problem that desperately needs to be addressed and it will solve some of the gun violence issues we experience, but taking away guns from law abiding citizens is not the answer. And it will never happen in the U.S.

Also this is going to come as shock to most of you, but crime is actually lower nowadays we just have a sensationalist 24/7 news cycle that blows the proportions out of everything to get a reaction out of you.

What a stupid take, opinions like this is the reason why we are in an endless cycle of having never-ending gun violence/shootings and nothing ever being done to address the issues.

yemmy posted...

Also you know that's illegal right? Almost as if criminals don't care about breaking gun laws...

Like what is the actual point of "Criminals don't care about the law" in any discussion other than "Trying to stop law I don't agree with"

No one actually looks at every law and goes "Well what is the point if the law is being broken?" Were you under the impression laws are supposed to be unbreakable? Would you consider murder being illegal to be a failure of a policy?

It would be a bigger news story if there wasn't a bunch of shootings on Juneteenth.

Or any day.

I came in expecting Chicago. For some reason these types of shootings get posted on Juneteenth or 4th of July every year on CE.

Samurai_Man posted...

I don't believe in gun control, never have, never will. But I believe we have a mental health problem that desperately needs to be addressed and it will solve some of the gun violence issues we experience, but taking away guns from law abiding citizens is not the answer. And it will never happen in the U.S.

Here's the problem there, chief...

The vast majority of those who want less or no restrictions on guns are vehemently opposed to any sort of subsidized mental health care. Many of those also believe mental health care is not masculine, or "it's all in their head" and reject the medical science because it competes with their traditionalist, fundamentalist worldview.

So if you actually care about mental health and think that's the real reason why there are countless gun deaths each year, who are you trying to convince? We on the left are already there and have solutions in mind.

Keep in mind, that unless it's subsidized and offered to as many people as possible, the most likely to commit gun crimes due to mental health issues effecting all aspects of a person's life - are the exact people our for-profit health care system fails to provide for now.

BlueTigerLion posted...

I came in expecting Chicago. For some reason these types of shootings get posted on Juneteenth or 4th of July every year on CE.

Summer heat.
Not being sarcastic....

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2799635

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310019/

Torgo posted...

Here's the problem there, chief...

The vast majority of those who want less or no restrictions on guns are vehemently opposed to any sort of subsidized mental health care. Many of those also believe mental health care is not masculine, or "it's all in their head" and reject the medical science because it competes with their traditionalist, fundamentalist worldview.

So if you actually care about mental health and think that's the real reason why there are countless gun deaths each year, who are you trying to convince? We on the left are already there and have solutions in mind.

Keep in mind, that unless it's subsidized and offered to as many people as possible, the most likely to commit gun crimes due to mental health issues effecting all aspects of a person's life - are the exact people our for-profit health care system fails to provide for now.

"We should provide healthcare to everyone and take mental healthcare much more seriously"

Republicans: "Ah so we should enslave doctors and reward people's poor health choices? Get off the Internet and stop wallowing in self-pity if you want to fix your mental health"

"We need to do something about all this gun violence in America"

Also Republicans: "Stop saying we should eliminate a Constitutional right when this is clearly a mental health problem that the liberals would rather blame on guns than address."

I believe the way they want the mental health problem addressed is for everyone to say "It's a mental health problem, not guns" and then do nothing else.

yemmy posted...

Then why don't those areas have high gun violence too?

Also you know that's illegal right? Almost as if criminals don't care about breaking gun laws...

the point is, if the whole country had similar gun laws as Chicago, for example, we would most likely see less gun violence in Chicago.

Cheater87 posted...

Motive unknown.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/1-dead-at-least-20-injured-in-shooting-at-illinois-juneteenth-celebration-police/ar-AA1cHRZ4

I'm guessing white supremacist.

Samurai_Man posted...

Because we're not Australia. Next.

I don't believe in gun control, never have, never will. But I believe we have a mental health problem that desperately needs to be addressed and it will solve some of the gun violence issues we experience, but taking away guns from law abiding citizens is not the answer. And it will never happen in the U.S.

Also this is going to come as shock to most of you, but crime is actually lower nowadays we just have a sensationalist 24/7 news cycle that blows the proportions out of everything to get a reaction out of you.

I dont believe in gun control despite the evidence that it reduces murder rates. Anyone pro-gun freedom is indirectly in support of mass shootings and high murder rates. And directly against freedom of safety

ForsakenHermit posted...

I'm guessing white supremacist.

based on what? if you read the article it sounds like multiple shooters pulled up and drove off, doesn't sound like it was just one person.

could be group of white supremacists i suppose, but I haven't heard of anything like that happening yet. Seems unlikely to me, but I'm going to keep an eye out for updates.

pretzelcoatl posted...

based on? if you read the article it sounds like multiple shooters pulled up, doesn't sound like it was just one person.

could be group, but I haven't heard of anything like that happening yet.

Considering what this holiday is about chances are the shooter is a white supremacist.

Number090684 posted...

Considering what this holiday is about chances are the shooter is a white supremacist.

Shooters plural. Fair enough, I guess we'll know more when more information is released. Everything is pure speculation until then.

Number090684 posted...

Considering what this holiday is about chances are the shooter is a white supremacist.

Or it could be someone got drunk and belligerent and got into a fight near a crowd of people then used their gun as a insta-win button, as tends to happen in large gatherings in America.

You literally cannot go anywhere in America without the expectation that at any moment gun violence could potentially pop off. Too many people have just resigned themselves to that fact, it's a uniquely American experience.

ai123 posted...

Are these daily shootings happening or not?

And crime may be falling, but how about the number of people who die by gunshot?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/0/AAdkcxAAElCY.jpg

Is it increasing, or am I looking at this graph upside down?

It is not surprising that suicides increased. As I said at the start of the shutdowns, we would see an increase in suicides due to the mental toll isolation and uncertainity would take on people.

I can't remember what happened significantly (domestically) in 2004~2008.
Like, what triggered the steady rise in suicide rates?

WarfireX posted...

Materialistic and selfish? Look, America has a gun problem. It's not the wild west anymore and something needs to be done. But break into my house for any reason, and I won't hesitate to shoot them. They've violated the sanctity of my home and endangered my dog.

I'm pretty sure on those days, a lot of small towns out west had stricter gun laws than we have in most states or cities today.

This is not something gun control can fix. Dollars to donuts these guns are illegal to begin with.

alfred_ashford posted...

This is not something gun control can fix. Dollars to donuts these guns are illegal to begin with.

Where do illegal guns come from?

alfred_ashford posted...

Dollars to donuts these guns are illegal to begin with.

Elaborate.

YourBestFrenemy posted...

Elaborate.

people who are disallowed from owning guns can have and use guns for violence on other people, hope this helps.

honestly the gun control I am for is people who straw purchase deserve life in prison, and people in possession of a gun without a gun license should get 10-15 years in prison. also make it impossible for people with assault charges or other violent misdemeanors or felonies to get a gun legally.

YourBestFrenemy posted...

Elaborate.

Not a mass shooter, not "self defense", happened at a major celebration. Crime. Crime dont have legal guns.

Monolith1676 posted...

It is not surprising that suicides increased. As I said at the start of the shutdowns, we would see an increase in suicides due to the mental toll isolation and uncertainity would take on people.

If you trace the suicide curve back to about 2001 (when Bushs war started), there has been a steady increasing number of suicides.

Payzmaykr posted...

If you trace the suicide curve back to about 2001 (when Bushs war started), there has been a steady increasing number of suicides.

Oh of course. Mental health in general has been on a steep decline since. Shutdowns made it even worse and it is only going to get worse from here.

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The gun is the tool to effect the result, shutdown is the causation. If people shot themselves during the Great Depression they wouldn't be talking about guns, they would be talking about why the people did what they did.

Samurai_Man posted...

Because we're not Australia. Next.

I don't believe in gun control, never have, never will. But I believe we have a mental health problem that desperately needs to be addressed and it will solve some of the gun violence issues we experience, but taking away guns from law abiding citizens is not the answer. And it will never happen in the U.S.

Also this is going to come as shock to most of you, but crime is actually lower nowadays we just have a sensationalist 24/7 news cycle that blows the proportions out of everything to get a reaction out of you.

Wow, what a lot of words wasted on a bunch of complete bullshit.

Cheater87 posted...

Motive unknown.

I mean...

Is it though? I'm gonna check the article.

Well that was worthless.

Bishop9800 posted...

Glad this guy is warned

This is the most common take I see about just about anything, and I routinely have to convince myself I'm not talking to robots. If people bring up "knife control" when talking about guns, I know they're a deeply unserious person. Cars are regulated, but can be weapons. Knives aren't regulated, but they can be weapons. Guns are not regulated and they are fucking weapons. You can't use a gun to get to work. You can't use a gun to cut a piece of steak. Guns are made for one thing and one thing only, to shoot stuff.

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The moderate republican beliefs

add no mental health services for kids to the list, or I suppose just make it a blanket no health services for kids since they are against generally everything beneficial healthwise as is

"Out of nowhere, there was a major gunfight for like 30 seconds. I'd say, 60 plus rounds. You could tell it was two different groups of people shooting at each other," said witness Bartosz Majerczyk.

SMFH. Hope the two people mentioned being in critical condition pull through.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Any meaningful gun control requires a constitutional amendment.

Nope. Restrictions on full autos are approaching a century old and they didnt need a constitutional amendment.

bfslick50 posted...

Nope. Restrictions on full autos are approaching a century old and they didnt need a constitutional amendment.

He said meaningful restriction

When owning a gun has helped... well astronomically less than it has unjustly killed somebody in a fit of rage, the ownership of it honestly has entirety to do with the masculinity of actually owning one and clearly logically less to do with the functionality of one.

If that were the case, you can easily get a pretty similar or even better feeling from like... an RPG with sick weapons you gotta work for, a shooter that actually lets you use the fucking guns as they were meant to, or heck, a bb gun without the ability for a regular person to mod it to lethal degrees. Why does it have to be real guns? Also is a firing range really all that much different from a fucking golfing range when the novelty runs out? When you're numb to the impact of a gun, I have to wonder if the harder to numb to impact of a golf club mightily hitting a ball would actually be less of an experience because of the sheer fact that the chance of killing somebody with it would be lower.

Plenty of ways to get stimulation in the world. Just ban guns and people will simply adapt.

Priere posted...

I thought fun laws were pretty strict in the Chicago metro area?

Ooh, wow. Been a while since I've seen this tryhard argument.

Requiem posted...

I can't remember what happened significantly (domestically) in 2004~2008.
Like, what triggered the steady rise in suicide rates?

Bush recession and housing market collapse?

I know related to another topic, but apparently smartphones came out / became popularized around that time.

So I'm wondering if that's somewhat responsible

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36141872/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8867720/

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Cemith posted...

Guns are not regulated and they are fucking weapons. You can't use a gun to get to work. You can't use a gun to cut a piece of steak. Guns are made for one thing and one thing only, to shoot stuff.

To be fair, Homer Simpson used his gun to open beer cans and "turn off" the lights

Kloe_Rinz posted...

He said meaningful restriction

We just need justices who aren't gun fetishists to properly interpret the second amendment.

Hint: Well regulated militias don't slaughter children

boxoto posted...

the point is, if the whole country had similar gun laws as Chicago, for example, we would most likely see less gun violence in Chicago.

So if Chicago has strict gun laws, but still has a lot of shootings, the answer is obviously to make the country's laws more like Chicago?

Makes a lot of sense.

darkace77450 posted...

Why are 8 of the 10 states with the highest gun murder rate red?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Ok do that again, but with cities and local governments instead of states.

yemmy posted...

So if Chicago has strict gun laws, but still has a lot of shootings, the answer is obviously to make the country's laws more like Chicago?

Yes. Because heavy restrictions in Chicago mean jack shit when you can drive an hour away and buy it there. Or just hop on over to Hillbillytown Indiana.

If they were restricted everywhere, that loophole would be closed.