Current Events > How come Piccolo never fought Vegeta?

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wasnt there a point where they were both equal, or am I mistaken

Because he sucks

You are mistaken.

The only times he was equal they were both fighting a more prominent enemy together and then Vegeta outclassed him a few minutes later anyway.

Vegeta has always been stronger

Orange Piccolo vs Blue Vegeta would be nice to see.

After fusing with Nail he was way above Vegeta and after fusing with Kami but for not as long.

Vegeta was stronger at the start.
Then Piccolo becomes stronger when he fuses with Nail.
Then Vegeta becomes stronger when he goes SSJ.
Then Piccolo becomes stronger when he fuses with Kami.
Then Vegeta becomes stronger when he comes out of the time chamber and remains stronger for the rest of the series. No idea how Piccolo's new transformation compares to whatever Vegeta has going on for him right now.

So no, they were never on equal footing.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

So no, they were never on equal footing.

You forgot when Vegeta surpassed Piccolo after Dende healed him and he got a Zenkai. Both of them kept training for a year; Vegeta was still stronger, but it's implied that Piccolo could at least challenge him when Goku returns from Yardrat.

There was like 2 instances where it could have been a decenr fight and at those points frieza/androids/cell were eight there in front of them

Incredible posted...

You forgot when Vegeta surpassed Piccolo after Dende healed him and he got a Zenkai.

Debatable. They bot got stomped by Frieza, so hard to tell who was stronger .

At that point Piccolo was at least strong enough to send Frieza flying but it used the all of his energy Vegeta never had any situation like that

s0nicfan posted...

You are mistaken.

At least with the [Z] timeline. Someone correct me but even after Piccolo fused with Kame, he wasn't near Vegeta whom was probably hovering around Super Saiyan 2.

Heck, in one of the moments that made Frieza one of my favorite characters, he was battering on Vegeta while Piccolo was standing there and I don't think Piccolo was in the same league as Vegeta then.

Because there was never a reason for them to fight.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Debatable. They bot got stomped by Frieza, so hard to tell who was stronger .

Piccolo got stomped by Third Form Frieza, and there's good reason to believe post-Zenkai Vegeta could handily beat Third Form Frieza.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Debatable.

Not debatable lol. Piccolo got stomped by Form 3 Freeza. Vegeta's Zenkai brought him at or above Form 3; he got stomped by Form 4.

Incredible posted...

Vegeta's Zenkai brought him above Form 3

Citation needed

I see you didn't read the manga

Tsukasa1891 posted...

Because there was never a reason for them to fight.

Saiyan pride

Irony posted...

Citation needed

Vegeta manages to keep up with initial-Final Form Frieza, who even in a heavily suppressed state is clearly far beyond Third Form, casually blitzing Piccolo/Gohan/Krillin who could keep up with Third Form to some extent. Piccolo even states that despite appearances he'd still rather face any of Frieza's forms (including the Third that was in the process of stomping him) than super suppressed Frieza. Frieza even shows some concern and uses more of his power when dodging Vegeta's attacks. If Vegeta was weaker than Third Form he wouldn't have to do this

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Vegeta manages to keep up with initial-Final Form Frieza, who even in a heavily suppressed state is clearly far beyond Third Form, casually blitzing Piccolo/Gohan/Krillin who could keep up with Third Form to some extent. Piccolo even states that despite appearances he'd still rather face any of Frieza's forms (including the Third that was in the process of stomping him) than super suppressed Frieza. Frieza even shows some concern and uses more of his power when dodging Vegeta's attacks. If Vegeta was weaker than Third Form he wouldn't have to do this

Frieza was literally playing with them in final form. He, only did the final transformation to make it clear how outclassed they were.
When Goku fights Frieza at the start, they were both doing feats hither to that point unseen. And that was only a warm up for Frieza. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Vegeta could've taken Frieza's third form, because as far as we know he could have been half assing it then as well.

They never had a reason to and piccolo gave up going around randomly fighting people and so did vegeta.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Frieza was literally playing with them in final form.

He plays with Piccolo/Gohan/Krillin yeah, but Vegeta keeps up and is actually confident he can win. Then Frieza gets more serious and stomps him.

He, only did the final transformation to make it clear how outclassed they were.
When Goku fights Frieza at the start, they were both doing feats hither to that point unseen.

That's Frieza when he was a lot more serious. I'm not talking about that Frieza.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Vegeta could've taken Frieza's third form, because as far as we know he could have been half assing it then as well.

I just gave you plenty. Vegeta puts up a very good performance against initial-Final Form Frieza who even heavily suppressed was a significant amount stronger than Third Form

I now want a "romance" parody fanfic where the two hash out why they never really "went for it"

LordFarquad1312 posted...

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Vegeta could've taken Frieza's third form, because as far as we know he could have been half assing it then as well.

No, he wasn't. He struggled to push back Gohan's blast, and it's implied he was using full power in Form 3.

And this is just about Vegeta vs. Piccolo. Gohan surpassed Piccolo with his rage boost, and Vegeta surpassed Gohan with his Zenkai. Even if he can't beat Form 3 Freeza, he without a doubt beats Piccolo.

Vegeta respects that Piccolo is a Stepfather.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

but Vegeta keeps up

At no point did Vegeta ever "keep up".

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Debatable. They bot got stomped by Frieza, so hard to tell who was stronger .

Its not debatable at all. After the zenkai Vegeta could react to base Freezas attacks when Piccolo couldnt even see them.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Vegeta has always been stronger

Did you watch the show or read the manga? Because if you did you would know this isn't true. When he fused with Kami he was far stronger than Vegeta was at the time.

AceAttorneyist posted...

Did you watch the show or read the manga? Because if you did you would know this isn't true. When he fused with Kami he was far stronger than Vegeta was at the time.

That's true , but at no point where Piccolo was stronger than Vegeta was he ever in a position to exploit it against him because there was always a more pressing and immediate threat. Whereas when Vegeta is stronger he's always been in a position of where he can leverage that fact against him.

Orange piccolo stomps vegeta low diff

dave_is_slick posted...

At no point did Vegeta ever "keep up".

That's just plain false.

https://imgur.com/a/DVPYqJt

He doesn't do amazing but he can absolutely keep up at first. Vegeta may be cocky but both him and Piccolo could sense Third Form and Final Form Frieza's, and there's a reason they both thought he could do a job on Final Form Frieza, let alone Third Form Frieza, and also why Frieza showed concern at Vegeta's blast.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

That's just plain false.

https://imgur.com/a/DVPYqJt

He doesn't do amazing but he can absolutely keep up at first. Vegeta may be cocky but both him and Piccolo could sense Third Form and Final Form Frieza's, and there's a reason they both thought he could do a job on Final Form Frieza, let alone Third Form Frieza, and also why Frieza showed concern at Vegeta's blast.

I see nothing that demonstrates him "keeping up".

Vegeta was fast enough to see Freeza's attacks. Piccolo couldn't see them at all and was in awe of how much Vegeta had gotten stronger. The debate was about how Vegeta compared to Piccolo, not Freeza.

Vegeta > Piccolo on Namek. Next.

dave_is_slick posted...

I see nothing that demonstrates him "keeping up".

-He is able to see and track Frieza, while the rest were getting blitzed.

-Able to react and knock someone out of the way of Frieza's ki blast, which again blitzed everyone else.

-Piccolo literally states that he can keep up and is significantly stronger than they are

-Is able to keep up with Frieza's movement

-His blast concerns Frieza and forces him to get more serious.

If these aren't "keeping up", that's a you problem.

There were times Piccolo got a power boost and was stronger than him and then like five minutes later Vegeta would get powered up and be out of his league again.

Basically, 90% of the time it would have been a one sided stomp fest, and would just be an indignity to Piccolo's character.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

-He is able to see and track Frieza, while the rest were getting blitzed.

-Able to react and knock someone out of the way of Frieza's ki blast, which again blitzed everyone else.

-Piccolo literally states that he can keep up and is significantly stronger than they are

-Is able to keep up with Frieza's movement

-His blast concerns Frieza and forces him to get more serious.

If these aren't "keeping up", that's a you problem.

There's also just the whole logic of things. The whole fight is a tag-team thing where the powerups are staggered. It would make little sense from a narrative pov if Vegeta's final powerup put him below or at Piccolo's level.

This ones pretty simple. Nappa beat the shit out Piccolo. Vegeta killed him with one.

scar_the_1 posted...

There's also just the whole logic of things. The whole fight is a tag-team thing where the powerups are staggered. It would make little sense from a narrative pov if Vegeta's final powerup put him below or at Piccolo's level.

I was just commenting on Vegeta vs Third Form Frieza. In terms of Piccolo vs Vegeta, Piccolo makes it abundantly that Vegeta is above his level after the Zenkai.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

I was just commenting on Vegeta vs Third Form Frieza. In terms of Piccolo vs Vegeta, Piccolo makes it abundantly that Vegeta is above his level after the Zenkai.

I wasn't disagreeing with you though!

Even before they fused, Nail was already stronger than Vegeta.

St0rmFury posted...

Even before they fused, Nail was already stronger than Vegeta.

Didn't he have a number that was pretty much on par with like weaker members of the Ginyuu force

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It's stupid, but it is true. It just doesn't matter really, because they never crossed paths and Vegeta just happened to power all the way past everyone the next time he was almost killed.

It's just dumb because all these numbers happen to line up along encounters. If Vegeta got severely injured like one more time he would have soloed Ginyu Force. Nail was stronger than anyone else short of Frieza, but who cares because he's a hermit in the mountains. Just more awful writing from that series.

I think the only point in the series they were ever around the same PL would be just after piccolo arrived on namek, pre fusing with Nail.

I can't recall his exact power at the time but I think they were around the same?