Poll of the Day > i got facial feminization surgery

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go me

Congrats. Hows the healing going? My sister just had the same done and said it felt like she got hit by a truck

Congrats! Hope the healing wont take too long. How are you feeling?

What does this entail exactly?

HornedLion posted...

What does this entail exactly?

They staple boobs to your face.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

They staple boobs to your face.

My eyes are up here!

HornedLion posted...

What does this entail exactly?

For me it was Genioplasty, jaw tapering, rhinoplasty, forehead reduction, hairline lowering, tracheal shave. Sometines it also includes lip lift, cheek fat transfer, probably a couple other things I'm forgetting

FrozenBananas posted...

Congrats! Hope the healing wont take too long. How are you feeling?

VampireCoyote posted...

Congrats. Hows the healing going? My sister just had the same done and said it felt like she got hit by a truck

Thanks! It's going about as well as you can expect. I'm two weeks out now so I can eat a lot of soft foods instead of being on a liquid diet, and the swelling is only really noticeable on my jaw now. The most annoying part at this point is not being able to wear glasses

The first week was miserable though. I really had to lean on my partner to avoid going crazy

Good luck and Godspeed

Awesome! We're you nervous going into it? What kind of money did you have to drop on it?

Metalsonic66 posted...

Good luck and Godspeed

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thanks!

slacker03150 posted...

Awesome! We're you nervous going into it? What kind of money did you have to drop on it?

I was really anxious for the week or so before. I paid around 65,000 dollars (57,000 for the surgeon and 8000 for the surgery center) but I'll be able to get some of that (probably between 8k and 20k) back from insurance

Ouch. Cosmetic surgeries hurt a bunch, I hear.

LonelyStoner posted...

Ouch. Cosmetic surgeries hurt a bunch, I hear.

The pain was pretty manageable ( I mostly used ibuprofen and tylenol once i was out of hte surgery center, I only needed tramadol once for breakthrough pain) but the discomfort really sucked. I had super low energy for the first few days, had to sleep at a 45 degree angle for a week, had to eat a liquid diet for 2 weeks, couldnt take a shower for a week, couldn't brush my lower gums for 2 weeks etc.

Also (spoilers bc kinda gross) my nose was completely filled up with clotted blood for the first few days and I just couldnt do anything about it (no picking, no nasal sprays, no blowing your nose).

They had these internal nostril splints wedged way down my nostrils to hold them open, and I had to trim my nose hairs before-hand, so gunk built up all around it. When they took out the splints they pulled out the biggest boogers I've ever seen from my nose, and they were that gross mix of blood and snot you get after a nosebleed. I had to breathe almost entirely through my mouth for a week because my nose was so clogged

chelsea___wtf posted...

I was really anxious for the week or so before. I paid around 65,000 dollars (57,000 for the surgeon and 8000 for the surgery center) but I'll be able to get some of that (probably between 8k and 20k) back from insurance

Damn, thats a lot. I thought it was 30k, and then 50k for high quality. How much time did you spend hunting down a surgeon?

chelsea___wtf posted...

The pain was pretty manageable ( I mostly used ibuprofen and tylenol once i was out of hte surgery center, I only needed tramadol once for breakthrough pain) but the discomfort really sucked. I had super low energy for the first few days, had to sleep at a 45 degree angle for a week, had to eat a liquid diet for 2 weeks, couldnt take a shower for a week, couldn't brush my lower gums for 2 weeks etc.

Also (spoilers bc kinda gross) my nose was completely filled up with clotted blood for the first few days and I just couldnt do anything about it (no picking, no nasal sprays, no blowing your nose).

They had these internal nostril splints wedged way down my nostrils to hold them open, and I had to trim my nose hairs before-hand, so gunk built up all around it. When they took out the splints they pulled out the biggest boogers I've ever seen from my nose, and they were that gross mix of blood and snot you get after a nosebleed. I had to breathe almost entirely through my mouth for a week because my nose was so clogged

Wow, what an experience. I never thought about how much that stuff would affect your day to day.

DrPrimemaster posted...

Damn, thats a lot. I thought it was 30k, and then 50k for high quality. How much time did you spend hunting down a surgeon?

I spent 6 months finding a surgeon and 1.5 years on his waitlist. 50k for high-quality surgeon was accurate a few years ago, but it's gone up a bit.

I ended up picking one of the most expensive surgeons. Cost wasn't an issue for me and he was the only surgeon where almost every result I could find was something I'd be happy with. Basically I wanted to make sure that even if I low-rolled I would probably end up with a face I was happy enough with to not want revisions, bc I really didn't wanna go through with this twice.

I think I ended up high-rolling, though. It's hard to know for sure because I have to mentally subtract out the jaw swelling, but it seems like I'm gonna end up looking pretty stunning. So thats cool :3

chelsea___wtf posted...

I spent 6 months finding a surgeon and 1.5 years on his waitlist. 50k for high-quality surgeon was accurate a few years ago, but it's gone up a bit.

I ended up picking one of the most expensive surgeons. Cost wasn't an issue for me and he was the only surgeon where almost every result I could find was something I'd be happy with. Basically I wanted to make sure that even if I low-rolled I would probably end up with a face I was happy enough with to not want revisions, bc I really didn't wanna go through with this twice.

I think I ended up high-rolling, though. It's hard to know for sure because I have to mentally subtract out the jaw swelling, but it seems like I'm gonna end up looking pretty stunning. So thats cool :3

Yeah that is awesome.

Nice I love that for you!

hopefully it all works out for you

chelsea___wtf posted...

Cost wasn't an issue for me

not many people have 65 thousand just laying around
chelsea___wtf posted...

but it seems like I'm gonna end up looking pretty stunning

many people hundred thousand on plastic surgery and just end up looking like someone who got plastic surgery so good luck

potdnewb posted...

not many people have 65 thousand just laying around
chelsea___wtf posted...
but it seems like I'm gonna end up looking pretty stunning
many people hundred thousand on plastic surgery and just end up looking like someone who got plastic surgery so good luck

Sounds jealous

Cool

ParanoidObsessive posted...

They staple boobs to your face.

Ozmose posted...

My eyes are up here!

Jen0125 posted...

Sounds jealous

first I live off a substantial trust fund second im happy with the way i was born so stop trolling

potdnewb posted...

first I live off a substantial trust fund second im happy with the way i was born so stop trolling

Sure ya do buddy

Lil_Bit83 posted...

Cool

Jen0125 posted...

Nice I love that for you!

Thanks :)

potdnewb posted...

not many people have 65 thousand just laying around

yeah but i did, fortunately :) I used to be in the software industry, and i lucked into buying and selling my house at a really fortunate time.

potdnewb posted...

many people hundred thousand on plastic surgery and just end up looking like someone who got plastic surgery so good luck

I'm not ashamed of it, so looking like I've had plastic surgery wouldn't really be a downside for me as long as I'm happy with how I look

Man, I could buy mad weed

chelsea___wtf posted...

Also (spoilers bc kinda gross) my nose was completely filled up with clotted blood for the first few days and I just couldnt do anything about it (no picking, no nasal sprays, no blowing your nose).

They had these internal nostril splints wedged way down my nostrils to hold them open, and I had to trim my nose hairs before-hand, so gunk built up all around it. When they took out the splints they pulled out the biggest boogers I've ever seen from my nose, and they were that gross mix of blood and snot you get after a nosebleed. I had to breathe almost entirely through my mouth for a week because my nose was so clogged

I went through a similar experience with my bite correction surgery ~10 years ago. Jaw wired shut, and my nose totally clogged with dried blood because of some quirk of how they did the surgery. I don't think there were any incisions in there, but in retrospect I don't actually remember what went on in the nose, except that I couldn't breathe through it for several days, which meant I was just breathing through clenched teeth all the time. Sleeping was miserable, and at one point I woke up in the middle of the night and put my hand in a warm, sticky puddle by my face because my gums had split open from drying out so much and bled a bunch. My nose cleared up before I finished being wired shut, thankfully, because the wires (well, strong elastics, but same function) stayed on for three weeks. I was pretty sick of blending everything by then.

And then a few years later I had a septoplasty and turbinectomy to correct the deviated septum and other nasal crowding issues that arose from moving my maxilla around, so then I got the nasal splinting and packing you got to enjoy. When that packing came out, it felt like they were pulling out half of my brain.

Either way, fun stuff, and I hope you're happy with how it all turns out.

chelsea___wtf posted...

I'm not ashamed of it, so looking like I've had plastic surgery wouldn't really be a downside for me as long as I'm happy with how I look

Any chance you would be willing to post result pics?

I had chin lipo

We all do plastic surgery here

I know how to use sandpaper and can identify a skull. How do I start this business?

Jen0125 posted...

Sure ya do buddy

my pool has a diving board

slacker03150 posted...

Any chance you would be willing to post result pics?

Yeah! My results so far:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/6/AAfW0CAAEmum.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/7/AAfW0CAAEmun.jpg
Over the next few months the swelling on my nose and jaw should mostly go down, but it doesn't completely go away for over a year in most case. There's shock hair loss near the incision site- I usually cover it up with my hair, so it's not as bad in daily life as it looks in the side profile pic. That hair will regrow like normal eventually. Also my lower lip is really numb right now, which is why it usually hangs open and my facial expressions are a little off

This is one day after surgery:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/8/AAfW0CAAEmuo.jpg

And one day before
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/9/AAfW0CAAEmup.jpg

adjl posted...

I went through a similar experience with my bite correction surgery ~10 years ago. Jaw wired shut, and my nose totally clogged with dried blood because of some quirk of how they did the surgery. I don't think there were any incisions in there, but in retrospect I don't actually remember what went on in the nose, except that I couldn't breathe through it for several days, which meant I was just breathing through clenched teeth all the time. Sleeping was miserable, and at one point I woke up in the middle of the night and put my hand in a warm, sticky puddle by my face because my gums had split open from drying out so much and bled a bunch. My nose cleared up before I finished being wired shut, thankfully, because the wires (well, strong elastics, but same function) stayed on for three weeks. I was pretty sick of blending everything by then.

And then a few years later I had a septoplasty and turbinectomy to correct the deviated septum and other nasal crowding issues that arose from moving my maxilla around, so then I got the nasal splinting and packing you got to enjoy. When that packing came out, it felt like they were pulling out half of my brain.

Either way, fun stuff, and I hope you're happy with how it all turns out.

That's rough! I have a friend who coincidentally had jaw bite correction surgery a few days after FFS, so we've been bonding over the similar parts of the shitty recovery. I don't think they needed to wire her jaw shut, though. But yeah I had so much trouble sleeping the first few nights

Jen0125 posted...

I had chin lipo

We all do plastic surgery here

I remember that! congrats :)

NeoSioType posted...

I know how to use sandpaper and can identify a skull. How do I start this business?

Get a medical degree, half-ass all your surgeries for low low prices, then find an insurance company who's looking for a rationale to lowball all their reimbursement figures. Get in-network with them and you can get plenty of patients who don't know any better.

(don't actually do this, but it would probably be the best business strategy to get into FFS unless you happen to be an incredibly skilled surgeon)

Damn girl. Looking good.

ma'am all i can say is whenever you think all your swelling should be gone to think again because it really does take months for that lingering swelling

did you get like a jade stone roller or anything to massage any scar tissue on your face? my plastic surgeon recommended that to me and it felt nice against the swelling too.

You looked better before.

chelsea___wtf posted...

I have a friend who coincidentally had jaw bite correction surgery a few days after FFS, so we've been bonding over the similar parts of the s***ty recovery. I don't think they needed to wire her jaw shut, though.

I can't tell if that's bad timing or good timing. It'd at least mean she was only recovering from jaw surgery once, effectively, rather than going through the whole process and having to do it again later. I'm guessing it was a fairly minor correction, too, if she didn't need to be immobilized. They took my top jaw forward 4 mm and my bottom jaw back 6 mm, correcting an underbite, open bite, and cross bite in the process, so mine was pretty radical. It ended up causing some permanent nerve damage, actually, so the bottom left quarter of my lips doesn't have quite as much sensation in it as the rest do, but I only ever really notice that when I pay attention.

You do look less swollen than I was, though. I looked like a chipmunk for the first few days, with how massively my cheeks swelled up. And then with the way the blood drained, I ended up with a giant triangular bruise down into my chest, which would have been alarming if they hadn't specifically warned me about it.

adjl posted...

I can't tell if that's bad timing or good timing. It'd at least mean she was only recovering from jaw surgery once, e

oh, i misspoke. I meant that she got jaw correction surgery a few days after I got FFS, so our recovery overlapped. I don't think it'd be safe to get one shortly after the other

adjl posted...

t ended up causing some permanent nerve damage, actually, so the bottom left quarter of my lips doesn't have quite as much sensation in it as the rest do, but I only ever really notice that when I pay attention.

It's possible I'll have permanent nerve damage too - they pull a bunch of nerves out of the way to get at the jaw, and the numbness usually goes away after a while (several months to a year). Right now I have very little sensation besides pressure from the center of my lower lip down to my chin.

adjl posted...

And then with the way the blood drained, I ended up with a giant triangular bruise down into my chest, which would have been alarming if they hadn't specifically warned me about it.

Oh wow. I didn't have anything like that. I did have a lot of unrelated bruises that took forever to heal -- I got a medium-sized bruise on my arm a few days before my procedure and the bruise is still pretty visible now like 3 weeks later, lol

Jen0125 posted...

ma'am all i can say is whenever you think all your swelling should be gone to think again because it really does take months for that lingering swelling

yep! From chatting with other people with the same surgeon it's basically like: half of it goes away in the first 2 weeks, half of the rest in the first 3 months, and then the last 1/4 takes a year after that.

did you get like a jade stone roller or anything to massage any scar tissue on your face? my plastic surgeon recommended that to me and it felt nice against the swelling too.

No, that sounds like it might feel nice though. There's a couple spots on my jaw line that are pretty sore

chelsea___wtf posted...

No, that sounds like it might feel nice though. There's a couple spots on my jaw line that are pretty sore

I definitely recommend it. I got this one and if felt so nice. You can even put it in the fridge.

Jade Roller and Gua Sha: Jade Face Rollers Skin Care with Refrigerator Box to Use It Cold, Travel Case for Easy Storage https://a.co/d/frWOHut

chelsea___wtf posted...

oh, i misspoke. I meant that she got jaw correction surgery a few days after I got FFS, so our recovery overlapped. I don't think it'd be safe to get one shortly after the other

Ah, that makes more sense. It would be kind of odd to not just have them done at the same time, if the jaw was already getting chippity-chopped.

chelsea___wtf posted...

It's possible I'll have permanent nerve damage too - they pull a bunch of nerves out of the way to get at the jaw, and the numbness usually goes away after a while (several months to a year). Right now I have very little sensation besides pressure from the center of my lower lip down to my chin.

Yeah, the nerves that innervate the chin and lips run through the mandible, so they had to be severed to make the necessary cuts for my surgery (and likely yours as well). On the right, the nerve cooperated, severed cleanly, and grew back properly, but on the left they ran into some troubles and had to tease it out of the bone, which made its recovery much slower and kept it from ever completely healing. What was really weird was that my brain was still wired to interpret the nerve ending as being in the right spot, even while it was still regrowing, so there was a point when the regrown part was back inside my cheek and I'd feel anything there as though it were touching my lip. The most noticeable was any time I held water in my cheek, it felt like I was drooling, which was kind of surreal. That did take a couple months to resolve, but where mine was basically just "chop bone, remove small piece, reattach bones" and not any more elaborate shaping like you had done, it wouldn't surprise me if your recovery takes longer.

chelsea___wtf posted...

Oh wow. I didn't have anything like that. I did have a lot of unrelated bruises that took forever to heal -- I got a medium-sized bruise on my arm a few days before my procedure and the bruise is still pretty visible now like 3 weeks later, lol

Yeah, it was fun. Bonus points where I rarely get much by way of initial bruises, with them mostly only showing up a few days later when they're more yellow, so this was a couple days with nothing then waking up to my lower throat, shoulders, and down into my chest having turned yellow. It was pretty wild, but fortunately I was warned about it in advance.

adjl posted...

Ah, that makes more sense. It would be kind of odd to not just have them done at the same time, if the jaw was already getting chippity-chopped.

Yeah, my FFS surgeon will do (at least some) bite corrections as part of the same procedure. I think it depends on how much other stuff you're doing at once though, given that it can already be a relatively long surgery. Mine was already a 4.5 hour procedure with everything going smoothly, and it was scheduled at 5.5 hours.

adjl posted...

the nerves that innervate the chin and lips run through the mandible, so they had to be severed to make the necessary cuts for my surgery (and likely yours as well).

The way it was described to me IIRC is that they had to pull the nerves to get them out of the way, not that the nerves were severed. But the end result is still a long period of numbness while the nerve heals

adjl posted...

That was really weird was that my brain was still wired to interpret the nerve ending as being in the right spot, even while it was still regrowing, so there was a point when the regrown part was back inside my cheek and I'd feel anything there as though it were touching my lip. The most noticeable was any time I held water in my cheek, it felt like I was drooling, which was kind of surreal.

that sounds fun to experience for a while lol. Kind of the opposite of my current situation where I'm drooling regularly and can't feel it at all

Jen0125 posted...

I definitely recommend it. I got this one and if felt so nice. You can even put it in the fridge.

Jade Roller and Gua Sha: Jade Face Rollers Skin Care with Refrigerator Box to Use It Cold, Travel Case for Easy Storage https://a.co/d/frWOHut

Cool! I ordered something similar. hope it helps a little

FFS is probably the coolest cosmetic surgery that we have. Its just insane to see how capable we are of molding the human body. It seems like yours was very effective. How affirmed do you feel now vs before?

I wonder what separates a bad one from a good one, and where we might be in the future?

so cool congrats! i don't think i will do FFS but i definitely wanna get chin lipo soon. not as expensive as i would've thought

DrPrimemaster posted...

How affirmed do you feel now vs before?

it pretty much eliminated one of my most significant sources of dysphoria

DrPrimemaster posted...

I wonder what separates a bad one from a good one

A "bad" one in my mind is one where the surgeon makes a mistake. This can be something like vocal damage, a nose that looks off, or not taking off enough material (e.g. a surgical plan that does a type I/II forehead contouring when a type III forehead reconstruction is called for)

Anything other than that would've been fine for me. From what I've heard from my surgeon and other FFS clients, a lot of the difference between 'fine' and 'excellent' results depends on the underlying facial features. So for example, my naturally high cheekbones make it easier for my face to look harmonious with all the new features. You can use a cheek fat transfer to feminize the cheeks, but that's an area where having the underlying bone structure is a big advantage. But the surgeon's skill also matters a lot here.

DrPrimemaster posted...

where we might be in the future?

A lot of the improvements recently (like the past few years) have been making the procedure safer and more consistent. So for the first example that comes to mind, a lot of people used to make the tracheal shave incision on the adam's apple. But it turns out that for some reason this is way more like to cause damage to the vocal cords, so now almost every major FFS surgeon will start it above or below the adam's apple. I think a lot of the improvements in the near future will be stuff like that.

And hopefully in the future we'll have more surgeons with consistently good results, so it can be less expensive and/or less of a long wait

Kanatteru posted...

so cool congrats! i don't think i will do FFS

thanks!

yeah I don't think I would recommend FFS for anyone who isn't really sure about it. The surgeon matters a lot, it's usually really expensive if you want to be able to choose your surgeon, and the results really aren't guaranteed. Also the recovery is a huge pain

but i definitely wanna get chin lipo soon. not as expensive as i would've thought

how expensive is chin lipo?

chelsea___wtf posted...

how expensive is chin lipo?

mine was only $3,700. i had laser assisted lipo.

chelsea___wtf posted...

The pain was pretty manageable ( I mostly used ibuprofen and tylenol once i was out of hte surgery center, I only needed tramadol once for breakthrough pain) but the discomfort really sucked. I had super low energy for the first few days, had to sleep at a 45 degree angle for a week, had to eat a liquid diet for 2 weeks, couldnt take a shower for a week, couldn't brush my lower gums for 2 weeks etc.

Also (spoilers bc kinda gross) my nose was completely filled up with clotted blood for the first few days and I just couldnt do anything about it (no picking, no nasal sprays, no blowing your nose).

They had these internal nostril splints wedged way down my nostrils to hold them open, and I had to trim my nose hairs before-hand, so gunk built up all around it. When they took out the splints they pulled out the biggest boogers I've ever seen from my nose, and they were that gross mix of blood and snot you get after a nosebleed. I had to breathe almost entirely through my mouth for a week because my nose was so clogged

Lol I watch all sorts of gross medical videos and know exactly the kind of splints you're referring to. Did they feel awesome coming out/afterwards?

Jen0125 posted...

mine was only $3,700. i had laser assisted lipo.

yeah around $4-6k CAD from what i saw. but there are some good ones in my local area (i have family members who have done it so i got some recs lol)

Kanatteru posted...

yeah around $4-6k CAD from what i saw. but there are some good ones in my local area (i have family members who have done it so i got some recs lol)

Hope you enjoy the results if you do it. The recovery for me was not bad at all. The procedure was painless.

chelsea___wtf posted...

Yeah! My results so far:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/6/AAfW0CAAEmum.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/7/AAfW0CAAEmun.jpg
Over the next few months the swelling on my nose and jaw should mostly go down, but it doesn't completely go away for over a year in most case. There's shock hair loss near the incision site- I usually cover it up with my hair, so it's not as bad in daily life as it looks in the side profile pic. That hair will regrow like normal eventually. Also my lower lip is really numb right now, which is why it usually hangs open and my facial expressions are a little off

This is one day after surgery:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/8/AAfW0CAAEmuo.jpg

And one day before
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/9/AAfW0CAAEmup.jpg

Nice pics. also ouch to the third one.