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You said you would 100% be voting for red if not for your emotions and had your vote on me instead. Your vote on me came and went but it appeared so did your suspicion of red. It was an inconsistency. It doesnt automatically make you scum nor does it make me scum. All you have to say is you decided it was premature to vote red.

On another note about Lea, she knew my arguments on Wall held water, but purposefully discredited them because she thought I did not know about his performance in Tekken. This is at best, a gross lie of omission.

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The whole point is, you knew my reasons for defending Wall were good, and you refused to even acknowledge that the reasons themselves were good. You actively hid any sign that he even existed in Tekken until I brought it up. You didn't want people to know the defense was legitimate, because you want to mislynch him.

I do wish Crescent would stop making "Crescent is scum" arguments that she doesn't realize shes making.

My needle isn't moved but.

Crescent has 2 kills to make, Ulti and Isquen. You kill ulti first because you can parade around "ulti thought I was town" forever and never hear anything different, you basically have to kill him anyway for ease of game so whats it matter.

"I know wall is town and i'll bet on it" when you know you aren't really the alternative lynch for the day in everyone elses mind. You leave wall up, you lynch the other, you watch as everyone shows up the next day, the two growl and vote each other, and bam, crescent win.

(My mind is not changed, but if somehow crescent played us, just throwing this up for fun with DTC)

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This is not remotely an excuse for summarily shooting down the best argument in the game for defending Wall without cause, and then failing to even factor the argument in afterwards.

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You did. You kept claiming my defense of Wall was invalid, despite knowing, through Tekken, that the reasons I were defending him were legitimate.

red13n posted...

I do wish Crescent would stop making "Crescent is scum" arguments that she doesn't realize shes making.

My needle isn't moved but.

Crescent has 2 kills to make, Ulti and Isquen. You kill ulti first because you can parade around "ulti thought I was town" forever and never hear anything different, you basically have to kill him anyway for ease of game so whats it matter.

"I know wall is town and i'll bet on it" when you know you aren't really the alternative lynch for the day in everyone elses mind. You leave wall up, you lynch the other, you watch as everyone shows up the next day, the two growl and vote each other, and bam, crescent win.

(My mind is not changed, but if somehow crescent played us, just throwing this up for fun with DTC)

I remember I did this exact same thing with Death in Simpsons Mafia, a game also hosted by Sultan actually. Pretty sure Lea was in that game too.

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It doesn't matter how I knew. It matters that you knew.

Because let's be very very blunt. This guy in no way even slightly resembles the Wall I caught just a glimpse of from Tekken.

Also Red the fun part is I never once brought up Ulti thinking I was town, I only brought up Ulti thinking Wall was town, until it came up in discourse between Lea/Wall and Lea immediately tried to discredit Ulti's town read on me.

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My sticking point is still remains that I don't see how a guy jumps from that to claiming the role he did in this game, followed by immediately hard bussing his last remaining scumbuddy.

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Listen, I played like absolute godawful ass in Tekken. Everyone was calling for me and Ultis heads. It was painfully obvious. I would say that everyone who genuinely cant tell the difference between me in tekken and me in this game should be teabagged by a sumo wrestler, but thats not very nice. So I wont say it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also Red the fun part is I never once brought up Ulti thinking I was town, I only brought up Ulti thinking Wall was town, until it came up in discourse between Lea/Wall and Lea immediately tried to discredit Ulti's town read on me.

Again, its typical scumplay. You let town think they are making an argument when in fact you just left the trail for them.

(Reiterating, this argument is being made outside my own view, pure devils advocating)

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You can't explain away Ulti town reading me hard enough to doc save me and Ulti town reading me for the exact pattern of behavior this game as well with semantics.

red13n posted...

Again, its typical scumplay. You let town think they are making an argument when in fact you just left the trail for them.

(Reiterating, this argument is being made outside my own view, pure devils advocating)

I didn't believe I needed any defense entering today and I still don't believe I do. I just think Lea is scum playing an angle by trying to shoot it down.

Ulti is not wasting a doctor just in some vague attempt to placate me. I'd go as far as to argue that using it strictly for that purpose goes against playing to win.

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Oh Ulti weirded me out in ST for sure. I was pretty upfront about that during the game itself.

But doctors don't save people unless they actually think they're town. Ulti could've saved most people and no one would've batted an eyelash.

I didn't detect the same weirdness as ST in this game, though. I called him town soon after replacing in for entirely player meta reasons. He called me town back presumably for coming so strong out of the gate.

Hey @Isquen who are we voting for? Really wish you would reconsider Lea but whatever.

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If wall flips town it means I am wrong somewhere.

wallmasterz posted...

Hey @Isquen who are we voting for? Really wish you would reconsider Lea but whatever.

When did you get high on lynching Lea exactly?

Crescent-Moon posted...

When did you get high on lynching Lea exactly?

Ive been high on doing it since shortly after d4 began. All the reasons I gave when I was pressuring Lea and she got upset, I genuinely feel that way. But Isquen sees a 0.1% chance Lea is scum and Red previously expressed wanting to trust IGCDs read on Lea so it seemed almost certain the votes will never be there.

Not to mention, with no known godfather in this game, whos to say Leas role isnt some creative variation where the godfather effect comes from how her role appears to the town she masons/neighbors but it might not actually mean she scans innocent. I dont fucking know. But if I were king, Lea would be the lynch. IGCD not breadcrumbing mason still bothers me.

In any event, Isquen has my vote.

No one was talking and we had kinda agreed to end day early. It hit 10pm, my concerns were being ignored, and I had something way more important than mafia the following day.

So I just said screw it.

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Make fun all you like but its totally logical. I cant get my first choice lynched and dont have a big preference beyond it. Isquen is confirmed town. He gets my vote, its that simple. And yes, at least if I get lynched today, assuming theres only one scum left, I get to take advantage of my role. If theres two scum left and Isquen wants me lynched its game over anyway because the two scum would vote me with Isquen, so giving him my vote 100% makes sense.

wallmasterz posted...

Ive been high on doing it since shortly after d4 began. All the reasons I gave when I was pressuring Lea and she got upset, I genuinely feel that way. But Isquen sees a 0.1% chance Lea is scum and Red previously expressed wanting to trust IGCDs read on Lea so it seemed almost certain the votes will never be there.

Not to mention, with no known godfather in this game, whos to say Leas role isnt some creative variation where the godfather effect comes from how her role appears to the town she masons/neighbors but it might not actually mean she scans innocent. I dont fucking know. But if I were king, Lea would be the lynch. IGCD not breadcrumbing mason still bothers me.

In any event, Isquen has my vote.

I feel like doing some combing through Wall's recent posts and see if that stance adds up.

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Psych had a town variant of the former AND had the latter, and it also had pineapple vendor. The connections are there, not ignoring them.

Which is grosser, Wallz's back and forth and then willing to sheep me, or Crescent's selective memory? I'm done with it, I think.

##vote: Wallz

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I want you lynched. The votes werent there for me to get my hands dirty. Youre talking out of both sides of your mouth telling crescent her reason for finding me town isnt in the top three reasons to think Im town but yet youre still voting for me. I guess you think all 4+ reasons are pretty pitiful, huh.

##Vote: wallz

Fine, time to see what this day makes.

##Vote: Wallz

Fingers crossed I get to use my role.

Youre forgiven, Isquen, after you endure the sumo wrestler teabag train.

Stop?

@TheSultanOfSlam

wallmasterz posted...

I am not going to make stuff up to save myself. Nor will I be a jerk in postgame if you make the mistake of lynching me here. I dont necessarily think crescent is scum. Sbell wouldnt have been lynched without her. If I had to make a case against crescent I would point out that shes focused more heavily than anyone else on the games setup and past games and yada yada and less focus on how everyone has voted, specific posts she finds good and questionable, and so on. Im having dinner with my family and parents so Im not going to cite specific posts, go ahead and mislynch me for it if you like, its obvious if you read crescents posts from day 3 on. Also, I doubt shell ever not bus as scum. If she thought sbell looked bad, which he obviously did, it wouldnt surprise me if scummate crescent decided to cut dead weight and use that to try to town clear herself. Also, in the conversation between crescent and Lea I found myself generally agreeing with Lea (like I found including Corrik in the town confirmable group a bit odd, maybe its because Im new but why couldnt there be a scum pineapple vendor).

If I were in charge of picking between the two of them, I would take red. I have company right now so I need a few minutes for a post about red. I wasnt expecting Isquen to ever so kindly not really dude give me an arbitrary deadline of his own 3.5 hours before deadline when I explicitly stated I was busy through dinner time. Thanks though.

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Ok, heres my take on red. He looked good day one. There have been times where, as Lea said, excuse making has creeped in. Also I think Corrik made a good point previously

4.173 Corrik: Well, your scum hunting has been abysmal when here.

4.174 Red: Which scumhunting did you not like? Piling on the roleblocker. Saying sbell's claim looked trash?

4.176 Corrik: And that's not even scumhunting. The only person who believed his claim apparently was peaf. It was an atrocious claim.

If that's your claim to fame of scumhunting this game, uhhhh?


its a fair point made by Corrik but red clearly seemed a lot more interested in town clearing people than scum hunting which is a valid approach to playing the game.

Reds comment about the role pm said I dont know what to say without being modkilled but this should clear me. Honestly I agreed with peaf when he said red passed his gut check. Sultan seemed to take pride in how indecipherable he made the flavor so sadly I could see flavor cops reads being a trap.

Another good point by red

4.102 - No. Abacus town.

And i sure as fuck dont open the game pressuring roleblocker sbell.

Seriously people read the fucking game. Everyone knows sbell cracks at pressure especially day 1. I am not going to put him in that position as scum.

It should take less than 50 posts of reading to go "oh yeah wait red is town".

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You know what Isquen, honestly just go ahead and lynch me. Im serious. That way, assuming theres one scum left, Im town confirmed for final 3. I think youve already pretty much made up your mind and upon re-reading reds day 2-3 content its not as iffy as I remembered.

IF I had to choose to lynch one of them, I guess Id lynch crescent, only because I dont entirely believe her when she said she thinks its beyond her scum game to lead a lynch on her scummate and then survive being the last scum with half a dozen town left. Ive seen crescent talk about carrying her scum team before so I do think she believes in herself to be able to do it.

This is on page 5. The only thing said about Lea in this stretch is you agree with her over me. How does this translate to "I wish Isquen would reconsider Lea" now?

Crescent, that was almost five minutes after the STOP. This is a formal warning.

I am working on flip and flavor. Sit tight.