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(+) Yeah! (+)

Fake town killin', real town dyin'
Peaf and Lopen hurt, hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
Or would you turn the other cheek?
Sultan, Sultan, Sultan, help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the scum (scum)

OHHHHH YEAH

No I think I would rather die of the afterglow from early hammering myself only for nothing to happen.

Interesting that red finally deigned to vote, though. And for another thing - hey, wallz, if you're actually town, care to think for a minute why unlynchable and tree stump would exist in the same game? Spoilers: they don't, and when it's proven I am unlynchable, you're toast, my guy.

Isquen posted...

No I think I would rather die of the afterglow from early hammering myself only for nothing to happen.

Interesting that red finally deigned to vote, though. And for another thing - hey, wallz, if you're actually town, care to think for a minute why unlynchable and tree stump would exist in the same game? Spoilers: they don't, and when it's proven I am unlynchable, you're toast, my guy.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/7/AARMM-AAEm8_.jpg

What's the vote at?

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Isquen posted... Also, awfully convenient for Crescent to vanish completely. Mind you that she was one of the biggest advocates for Corrik getting lynched yesterday, and I obliged like a jackass. Where's that gloating at now, hm?

Someone please remind me if she claimed anything. Meanwhile, I'll olive branch: I am super confident in not getting mislynched today, because I *can't.* I'm unlynchable, not godfather. This is why I doubt wallz's claim in particular.

The simple thing to do would be nail red and stop overthinking it, but then it means wallz or crescent remains if we indeed had 4 scum. It also means, if godfather is so common and we now have no cops, that one of the remaining has an innocent scan under their belt. What did the actual cop claim before?

My unlynchable status, by the way, is why I've been super suspicious of wallz since his claim.

Yes, I get that this means I'm probably dying tonight.

Side note:

Isquen went from leaving a a fair amount of leeway on Wall to being dead sure he's scum no matter what. The only person he seems sure of being scum when he actually claims is Red.

Oh wait 3 votes is -1

I have a third/closing interview tomorrow so this ending by like 10pm tonight at it's usual end time is fine by me. The job is basically mine unless I blow it at this point.

The whole point was: I'm not sure Isquen/Red has Isquen claim unlynchable and immediately label Red as the obvious lynch.

It's not over 'til it's sealed. They just happen to "strongly prefer" 2+ years of experience in 5 categories and I've got 4 of them with some interactions in the 5th.. I'm practically a unicorn and I've felt pretty good about my chances since the start. I got my first call less than 3 hours after I applied.

Spare me the sanctimony and try to kill me already.

Actually Isquen has really pushed on nobody at all today. His entire life has basically been to potshot people for wanting to lynch him but he really hasn't taken any sort of major stand towards lynching anyone else.

It's basically exactly what SBell was doing.

So does anyone else think the game isn't going to end here

Ok it's 10pm aka normal hammer time and I'm talking to myself but this feels way too easy and I don't think it ends here and there's another scum after this but I have better things to be doing than talking to myself so ##Vote: Isquen

Stop

votals
(4)isquen:lea,wallz,Red, Crescent-Moon
(1) Wallz: isquen, (Wallz)
(0) Lea: (Ulti)
(0)Red:(Ulti), Ulti

*Sultan Runs into the room*

AWE HELL NO do you guys never learn?! Why why are you trying to Lynch Isquen again every game with you fucks. This is real we are not lynching isquen just cuz! He is innocent Isquen was hanging out with me each night during the murders it's impossible for him to have been in the Mafia. Isquen is a poor innocent man every fucking time with you guys! Take the noose off his neck and go to bed all of you! ONCE AGAIN YOU TRY To Kill someone when I am busy can you not?! Go to bed! NOW!

Today ends in A No Lynch!
All actions do tomorrow night at 9pm EST day starts tomorrow Wednesday at 10pm est.

You know I don't even know how to be transcendent about this one. This might be the most disappointing to report yet. You had to excuse yourself to the bathroom. Instead of reading on the toilet like many you were writing a memoir. You felt confident in yourself that you would be the one the one to solve the mystery. You laughed a to yourself once you figure it out this memoir would best seller no doubt. Unfortunately you cannot live out that dream someone barged in you, you rushed to try and get out but it was to late. Ulti was right on day one but that is all he will ever be.

Ulti has been eliminated he was:

Ulti: Town Director (gladiator/mayor variant)

Youre loud, annoying, rude and sometimes misunderstood, so people sometimes ignore you having great reads. When I think of Ulti, I think of a good guy who is always misunderstood.

Time to be loud and for people to actually listen to you! Once in the game, you can elect to stop the action and pick who will be lynched out of 2 people like a gladiator match. Unlike a normal gladiator, you do not have to choose yourself. Using ##direct: [player a] vs. [player b], you will put up two names and only one of those two players can be lynched today. All votes will be reset upon activation. This ability has no impact on who scum can night kill.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Eliminated:
Pregame:Ctes Town Vanilla Chaos Tony Scum Vanilla
D1:Kirby Scum Prostitute
N1:Lopen Town Vanilla
D2: Sbell scum Roleblocker
N2: death Town Doctor
D3. Corrik Town Pineapple Vendor Eliminated:
N3: IGCD Town Cop and Peaf Town Flavor Cop
N4:Ulti Town Director

Alive:

1. Isquen
2. Crescent-Moon
3. Lea
4. Wallz
5. red

Well thats completely unsurprising. Hopefully Isquen can connect the dots.

Please no one vote yet obviously unless youve made up your mind. One town on town vote ends the game if theres two scum left.

Fear not, I've only got one gloat in my system that I wrote immediately after EoD in the event I didn't die.

"I think I've now earned my "you guys really never learn, do you?", Death.

https://youtu.be/8ef1mt5iRUI
"

Apologies to the early hammer on Corrik AND to everyone involved for adding country music to the game (even if she's one of the only acceptable artists,) I'm not intending to rush this one now; I've only done some ISOing of Red day 1 (I will FINALLY have some free time come tomorrow night) but there's been a few things between day 1 and day 2 that look terrible for all parties involved. Sharing the notes I had written out:

What makes Red look awful: day 1 interactions. Actually partaking in a joke phase when he's usually seriousness or RBF incarnate. ISO tries to go out for Death's blood during the gladiate, but doesn't actually commit a vote.

What makes Crescent/Abacus look awful: Abacus was absent most of day 1, and Ro3's myself, SBell, and Death in his very first post. Followup posts during day 1 read like a bus attempt, especially since Abacus's vote placed Kirby at -1. Need to look closer after the replace, because that's roughly when I got busy+distracted.

What makes (ed. note: made) Ulti look awful: A scum gladiator can probably only function by throwing one scum and one non-scum into the ring, and he tries to play up the "I'm literally town confirmed" angle extremely hard on day 2. Perspective has me as 100% town even when everyone was out for my blood. That said, seems odd that he can pull THAT with an extra kill.

What makes Lea look awful: A lot of snark and an overabundance of images hiding reads, plus circumstances of IGCD's death. Overaggressively tunneling to the point where even *I* notice it. Still looks clean in comparison, though (Ulti brought it up yesterday, the wording is a bit suspicious.)

What makes Wallz look awful: squeaky-clean but noncommittal days 1 and 2. Tree stump claim 99% does not jive with my unlynchable.

Conclusion: I'm about 50% wallz, 25% Crescent, 20% red, 5% asleep.

Sorry, not "wording is a bit suspicious," circumstances 99% townclear Lea. Not 100%, never 100%.

Let me make my case then Ill just be quiet because the decision is out of my hands.

Ask yourselves why Isquen is still alive. Ulti was almost certainly town, yeah, but Isquen was literally host confirmed town. Under normal circumstances its the obvious night kill choice with no more known power left. But scum needs at least one more mislynch. If I were scum, killing Ulti instead of Isquen would be the stupidest play. Ulti said he would not support a mislynch on me. Isquen has been one of the most vocal in suspecting me. Its pretty obvious this day will likely end with me getting mislynched, especially if theres two scum left, because that means if Isquen votes me scum wins. I promise not to grumble too much in postgame.

Now no one else wants to vote Lea, but let me give you a good example of why shes scum

Go back and read 4.274. Lea posted a wall and had a glaring perspective slip

This was her list breakdown:

Town: Lea, Ulti, Peaf, IGCD, Red, Crescent
Scum: Corrik, Wallz, Isquen

In Leas blurb about Peaf, she said the following: Innocent scan, and I agree that Kirby fulfills the scum scanner niche. So as long as Peaf can continue to do that in the future he's likely fine. I don't think he'll get anything useful, tbh, but this game has many french vanillas.

At the time Ulti had used his director role, Peaf claimed flavor cop and had an innocent scan, Lea knew IGCD was cop, no claims at the time for Red and Crescent. In other words. If you trust the innocent scan on peaf and consider flavor cop French vanilla, that is one french vanilla. ONE! Not many, not even close. I asked her about the comment because I thought it was weird af and she said you, peaf, Corrik, Isquen, redacted cant all be scum. She had us all besides Peaf in her PoE! Ill grant that she recognized it almost certainly couldnt be more than 2/3 of us (Wallz/Corrik/Isquen) because two scum already flipped, but if she was right about her PoE then the game had two french vanillas. Wow! So many!

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False. I never said I was super doomed. In fact it was quite the opposite, I was kind of a cocky asshole towards Isquen because I thought he was caught scum. I rolled the dice because I was confident in my read and I was wrong. No one had more to lose than me if Isquen was telling the truth. You are the one who has been pathing me as the next lynch since yesterday. And Ulti said as much - that he felt like it was getting set up as town/town.

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Nah. Its the term Ulti didnt know. The concept is obviously not that rare. I feel like every game Ive played so far has had at least one.

if you go back and look at Lea and how she treated sbell, vs me (first person to vote and stay on his ass, even before crescent), let me know what you find.

Simple logic I ran overnight:

We know scum unlynchable in any manner is banned. So Isquen is out. (I have no idea why he didn't claim day 1 but whatever)

We know that scum has an EK.

4 scum+ek can potentially end a game on day 2 (4/7 turns into 4/4 after a mislynch and two kills), so it should be one more scum.

This also means Lea can only be scum if she is some crazy dual role that both neighborized and EKed IGCD (It'd be perfectly Lea to have actually gotten this role, but still).

I believe Wall has been scum twice, and both times he was prone to some major "deer in headlights" moment. For him to draw that kind of attention with that claim strikes me as odd, though I never did understand why he claimed it to begin with.

Tree Stump and Unlynchable make for an odd duo but aren't theoretically imbalanced. Of particular note on Wall is he was the first vote on SBell on day 2. He was there when I led a charge on SBell and Ulti immediately joined me. After we put SBell into the lead, Wall called out Corrik for defending SBell so hard for no good reason and then mocks SBell for quitting. Wall enters day 3 with an immediate vote on Corrik, preempting my immediate attack on Corrik. Wall showed paranoia of Lea the same time I had paranoia of Lea. He hasn't shown any fear.

Speaking of voting history, Red's is dreadful. SBell's first four votes on page 1 of the game were a joke and don't count. Red's slight push on SBell near the end of day 2 was extremely weak, while he practically idled out on Corrik. Anyone saying Wall's voting history is "significantly worse" than Red's is absolutely not paying attention to their voting histories.

Wall was on Lopen early before the gladiate, then on Death very late for odd reasoning when it was already highly likely Kirby would die - But Red didn't even vote. Wall was on SBell, Red was on Corrik. Both were on Corrik on day 3.

The biggest thing on my mind with Wall is he would've had to commit to an SBell bus even harder than I would've had to commit to an SBell bus upon joining the game. For someone claiming a role like Wall's to hard bus his second to last scum member would be insane. Wall is theoretically the automatic lynch yesterday without Isquen's claim, but there is no way scum could've possibly banked on it occurring. For Wall to be scum would mean he has both significantly grown as a player, and committed to a virtual suicide gambit by lynching SBell and using the EK when he did. What scum Wall has to do in that situation is to not EK, survive another lynch, and then EK on night 4 - So he can't be "tested" anymore in a final 4 situation. For Wall to be scum (assuming there aren't 4 and we aren't in a game that could've ended day 2) requires a tremendous misplay by the scumteam as a whole on multiple fronts getting bailed out by Isquen's claim.

Okay people keep saying my vote on sbell was a joke when i was clearly trying to seriously press him early. Actually read the context people.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Red's slight push on SBell near the end of day 2 was extremely weak, while he practically idled out on Corrik.

Okay way out of context here. I was at work at the end of day 2 and the only thing I could post were things I could sneak in without really being noticed.

And I definitely didn't fucking idle out corrik. Its not idling out when you guys end the day when I'm sleeping and I was definitely not fucking idle that day.

tl;dr For Wall to be scum requires:

Spontaneously making a terrible claim on day 2 for no reason.
Hard bussing what balance says should be his last scumbuddy on day 2 for a significant amount of the day for no good reason, leaving the cop free to act that night. He could not have known at the time he claimed how the day would go. Wall would have to be both Godfather and EK for this to have not been insane.
Scum using an EK on night 3 that would naturally make Wall the correct lynch yesterday if Isquen doesn't claim.
Scum killing Ulti, who has been Wall's biggest defender all game, over literal 100% mod confirmed town Isquen.

It's not Wall.

Oh and my gut is screaming Lea, even though the logic says she would have to be a ridiculously specific role to be scum (neighborizer that can only EK it's neighbor!?), or there's actually two scum left.

There isn't a great reason for any remaining player here to be scum as far as I'm concerned.

Domingo German throws the 24th Perfect Game in MLB history.

doesnt count if its against the A's.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Oh and my gut is screaming Lea, even though the logic says she would have to be a ridiculously specific role to be scum (neighborizer that can only EK it's neighbor!?), or there's actually two scum left.

There isn't a great reason for any remaining player here to be scum as far as I'm concerned.

I know a theme of the game here is flavor meta at your own risk but I still cant stop thinking about Star Trek mafia. By the end of d1 and heading into n1, Sultan and Lea thought they were the only two surviving scum in a game with sixteen remaining players (themselves included) before the first nk. SIXTEEN. Granted Han was traitor, but sultan and Lea didnt know and scum won that game. Scum Lea got neighbored by town Dumey and she had him utterly fooled. So I brought it up yesterday and Lea down played the significance of the game. She then said she checked and I was wrong, she was strongwoman. If you go back and look she was flavor cop >_> So I was wrong in the sense that she wasnt scum neighborizer, but Lea claimed to have checked and still got it wrong. I find that super fucking weird and I dont know why shed lie about checking as town or scum.

Regardless of Reds alignment we factually know his role pm mentioned a game where scum was down early but came back to win. And youre telling me Leas role pm didnt mention the time sultan and Lea thought they were a two person scum team with 14 town remaining heading into n1, and they fuckin won? Give me a break. I would believe her more if she was like yeah, not gonna lie that was epic and Im kinda surprised Sultan didnt mention it. But instead she was like meh, no big deal. Weird.

Maybe she thought she was strongwoman in Star Trek because her role pm in this game indeed does reference Star Trek, and she has a strongwoman ek? Not sure. But we got no explanation for Lea lying about checking Star Trek.

Lea, what was the point of lying about checking your role in Star Trek?

The thing bothering me about red is I dont remember the last time he made a post actually suspecting anyone. Its basically all been chit chat and popping up to defend himself for as long as I can remember, even after peafs role pm interrogation simmered down. Even now he appears for baseball talk but no analysis of me, or Lea, or any of this. If memory serves his last content that was meaningful was saying IGCD believed Lea so I do too, do not lynch

Red, you got anything to say about this game of mafia were playing? Or just more comfortable talking about baseball?

Also for Lea, in addition to my question asking why you lied about checking your Star Trek role, Crescent asked you a question in 4.433 about how your role works. You must have missed it.

Lea if you were town I think youd maybe be annoyed with me sure but youd realize Im town. You give me zero credit for bringing sbell back up on d2 when you kept him in your PoE but moved on to me after expressing such frustration that his impending lynch was derailed d1. In your post 5.023 you dont give me credit for bringing sbell back up and leading the lynch! Which yes, credit to crescent, almost definitely wouldnt have come to fruition without her as well which is why thats my strongest remaining town read besides confirmed Isquen. But your list of positives for me doesnt include my strongest accomplishment of the entire game. Is it an oversight or a manipulation because Im the best chance left at a mislynch?

The criticism is Wallz isnt considering every angle and yet Isquen is host confirmed, Crescent was a key difference maker in the sbell lynch happening unlike Lea who spent d1 and d2
talking about how scummy sbell looked but always moved us in other directions like a big red flag post about Corrik, yeah it leaves Lea and red.