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GranTurismo
06/28/23 12:34:21 AM
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Probably all or almost all of it supports evolution being true. But have you ever heard of any that do not support it?
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GranTurismo
06/28/23 12:48:59 AM
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MICHALECOLE
06/28/23 12:50:20 AM
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If my grandpa evolved from a monkey, then how come he was killed by a monkey?
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BurmesePenguin
06/28/23 12:50:40 AM
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No. Only creationist pseudoscience like irreducable complexity.

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boxoto
06/28/23 12:56:13 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
If my grandpa evolved from a monkey, then how come he was killed by a monkey?
if it brought him into this world, it could take him out of it

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Verdekal
06/28/23 1:09:10 AM
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Arguably infinite. What matters is there's nothing that contradicts it.

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Ar0ge
06/28/23 1:21:31 AM
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No.

Evolution is one of the most supported theories in science.

And before anybody comes in here to say otherwise, I'm talking about scientific theories. Not the colloquial use of the word theory.
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A_Good_Boy
06/28/23 1:22:06 AM
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Verdekal posted...
Arguably infinite. What matters is there's nothing that contradicts it.
Except for the Bible

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CedarPointcp
06/28/23 1:32:39 AM
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good one
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Dark_Arbron
06/28/23 2:04:45 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Except for the Bible

Not in the sense were talking about. Fanfiction contradicts source material too.

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 8:58:51 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Except for the Bible

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IceCreamOnStero
06/28/23 9:00:40 AM
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Yes? Science deals with a wide range of fields, obviously there's evidence that has nothing to do with evolution.

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 9:02:24 AM
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topic asked about evolution, though. not other fields
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IceCreamOnStero
06/28/23 9:03:50 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
topic asked about evolution, though. not other fields
The topic asked about scientific evidence. Are you saying that, for an example, CMBR isn't scientific evidence?

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 9:05:17 AM
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what is cmbr?
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ai123
06/28/23 9:08:21 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
what is cmbr?

Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 9:08:53 AM
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how does that not support evolution?
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IceCreamOnStero
06/28/23 9:09:36 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
what is cmbr?
Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. Its microwave radiation that can be detected all around space. It is extremely well documented, is concrete scientific evidence for the Big Bang Theory and also does absolutely nothing to support evolution.

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Timmyjinkle
06/28/23 9:12:42 AM
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There's scientific evidence against "Survival of the fittest" which is commonly considered evolution, by the general populace.
Most scientists would say in today's layman language it should be "Survival of the fit enough".

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pikakaeru
06/28/23 9:13:13 AM
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false equivalency

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ANort175
06/28/23 9:13:50 AM
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GranTurismo
06/28/23 9:14:13 AM
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Timmyjinkle posted...
There's scientific evidence against "Survival of the fittest" which is commonly considered evolution, by the general populace.
Most scientists would say in today's layman language it should be "Survival of the fit enough".
what's the evidence against survival of the fittest? have not heard this
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Avirosb
06/28/23 9:15:27 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
what's the evidence against survival of the fittest?
People with no gosh dang standards.

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the_rowan
06/28/23 9:31:45 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
what's the evidence against survival of the fittest? have not heard this

People think of evolution as species improving over time, but that's an inaccurate model. Evolution favors surviving until reproduction. This means, among other things:
-Evolution does not have foresight about how a future change could affect a strategy that is working now
-Evolution does not directly care about survival after reproduction (outside of things like providing for offspring long enough for them to reach adulthood)
-Evolution does not care about "fitness" in the values that humans tend to think of as "fit" that does not improve chance of reproduction; it doesn't inherently favor things like strength, speed, size, intelligence, etc. and can actively discourage these if they cost more calories than they can sustain.
-Evolution does not care too much about the percentage of offspring that survive as long as it's enough to maintain the population (i.e. allows for r-strategists and even favors them in some environments)

The phrase "survival of the fittest" evokes an image of two members of a species competing in contests of strength, or species improving in the ways humans think of as fit, so it's really a misnomer.

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 9:35:54 AM
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Yeah but is that really evidence against survival of the fittest? It's just that many are ignorant of what it actually means. Iirc darwin never thought any of the things you listed
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bfslick50
06/28/23 9:42:51 AM
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Evolution is not about getting smarter, leveling up, or improving though this can happen as a byproduct. Its about finding your niche so you can survive and if that old fart has done anything, its that

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the_rowan
06/28/23 9:43:09 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
Yeah but is that really evidence against survival of the fittest? It's just that many are ignorant of what it actually means. Iirc darwin never thought any of the things you listed

In what ways, at all, does evolution favor survival of the fittest?

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Robot2600
06/28/23 10:05:36 AM
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"fit" means "able to reproduce"

it doesn't mean nice, ethical, cool, pretty, or anything else.

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ZevLoveDOOM
06/28/23 10:06:56 AM
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if evolution isn't real, then why do Pokemon evolve?

take that creationists!
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Toonstrack
06/28/23 10:19:56 AM
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Modern humanity is pretty good evidence we are certainly not the fittest but somehow got all the advantages anyway XD

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Questionmarktarius
06/28/23 10:21:09 AM
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bfslick50
06/28/23 10:25:20 AM
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Toonstrack posted...
Modern humanity is pretty good evidence we are certainly not the fittest but somehow got all the advantages anyway XD

There are several posts above yours explaining how you are misusing the word fit in this sense. Although we actually are one of the best endurance animals.

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MisterPengy
06/28/23 10:30:06 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
what's the evidence against survival of the fittest? have not heard this

It's not so much that "survival of the fittest" is wrong, it's just not really accurate.

Sloths are a good example. They're sure as hell not fitter than any thing else. They survive by basically being unappealing; They smell bad and don't have enough meat for a large predator to target. But evolution-wise, they're successful, because they are able to survive and reproduce.

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 11:14:51 AM
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the_rowan posted...
In what ways, at all, does evolution favor survival of the fittest?
what? survival of the fittest does support evolution. iirc even darwin thought so over 200 years ago
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bfslick50
06/28/23 11:19:26 AM
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MisterPengy posted...
It's not so much that "survival of the fittest" is wrong, it's just not really accurate.

Sloths are a good example. They're sure as hell not fitter than any thing else. They survive by basically being unappealing; They smell bad and don't have enough meat for a large predator to target. But evolution-wise, they're successful, because they are able to survive and reproduce.

That is fit from how Darwin used the word. Evolutionary speaking, the one that doesn't get eaten is the fittest. Be that the faster one, the stronger one, the one that hides better because of camouflage/digging/climbing/creativity, the more poisonous one, the scrawnier one, the smellier one, the one that works in a group... as long as you don't get eaten long enough for your offspring to survive on their own then it doesn't matter how you got there.

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McMarbles
06/28/23 11:24:29 AM
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"How come we still got monkeys?"

Stupid shit like this.

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Questionmarktarius
06/28/23 11:27:08 AM
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MisterPengy posted...
It's not so much that "survival of the fittest" is wrong, it's just not really accurate.

Sloths are a good example. They're sure as hell not fitter than any thing else. They survive by basically being unappealing; They smell bad and don't have enough meat for a large predator to target. But evolution-wise, they're successful, because they are able to survive and reproduce.
Evolution is the conflict between optimizing for an ecological niche, but being able to survive when that niche disappears.
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GranTurismo
06/28/23 7:30:16 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
what? survival of the fittest does support evolution. iirc even darwin thought so over 200 years ago

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Ratchetrockon
06/28/23 7:32:11 PM
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Does the Darwin award still apply to people who've procreated

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A_Good_Boy
06/28/23 7:32:34 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
Does the Darwin award still apply to people who've procreated
Nope. They get honorable mentions.

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Ratchetrockon
06/28/23 7:33:00 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Nope. They get honorable mentions.
Oo

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Toonstrack
06/28/23 7:33:04 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
There are several posts above yours explaining how you are misusing the word fit in this sense. Although we actually are one of the best endurance animals.

Either way you use the word we've won that lottery many times over. Theres a pretty big gap between us and whatever is the next most advanced thing

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GranTurismo
06/28/23 7:34:42 PM
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Toonstrack posted...
Either way you use the word we've won that lottery many times over. Theres a pretty big gap between us and whatever is the next most advanced thing
oh really , you think there's a pretty big gap?
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AloneIBreak
06/28/23 7:51:32 PM
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Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian.

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Ar0ge
06/28/23 8:22:27 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
oh really , you think there's a pretty big gap?

I've had him tagged as Anti-Evolution for a pretty long time now.
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GranTurismo
06/28/23 8:38:50 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian.
what? how so?
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AloneIBreak
06/28/23 8:59:30 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
what? how so?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precambrian_rabbit

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