Poll of the Day > SCOTUS rules Biden can't cancel 20k of student loans

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Such bullshit

But scotus rules is ok to forgive ppp loans?

It is time to revolt against the unelected branch of the government

VampireCoyote posted...

It is time to revolt against the unelected branch of the government

*woooo!*

Throws shoe at Bush

Glad I paid for Tom Brady et al to get their free millions

^You're doing God's work

Not sure why we would listen to the illegitimate court. There is no constitutional reason to block this.

Maybe SCOTUS will put a good word in with their billionaire benefactors to help out the poors with their loans

I will never for the life of me understand why the US Supreme Court is a partisan entity. I think it speaks to the weakness of the US constitution that it can be interpreted in such widely different ways by different people based on political orientation.

There needs to be serious reform across the entire structure of the US government. The Supreme Court is not an executive branch, and yet in recent years it seems like it's been exerting power as if it is. This is extremely dangerous.

faramir77 posted...

I will never for the life of me understand why the US Supreme Court is a partisan entity

Why don't we get to vote on federal Supreme Court judges the way we do local?

Next up on the ballot, they decide if domestic abusers are entitled to guns under the 2nd amendment. I think I can guess the outcome of this.

My mistake, they just announced that they would hear the case today. The case wont be until later this year.

As someone who paid a student loan debt I want them to forgive loan debts.

This whole division of us people who paid debts or didnt go to school Vs those saddled with debt is astroturf by the rich.

Devil_May_Cry posted...

As someone who paid a student loan debt I want them to forgive loan debts.

This whole division of us people who paid debts or didnt go to school Vs those saddled with debt is astroturf by the rich.

I dont have much, since my GI Bill covered everything. The small loan I did get was to cover the remaining debt on my truck, since the interest was lower.

The one argument I fucking hate is when these people over the age of 55 or 60 (like my dad) talk about how they were able to pay for their school. Go pump tuition rates from the early 80s into an inflation calculator and then explain to me how universities justify charging triple what they did back then.

Damn it. I was holding out on paying the rest of my debt because I thought there was a chance it might be canceled

Devil_May_Cry posted...

As someone who paid a student loan debt I want them to forgive loan debts.

This whole division of us people who paid debts or didnt go to school Vs those saddled with debt is astroturf by the rich.

Yeah, the whole "I had to suffer through this, so you should too!" mentality is so actively harmful to everything it touches. Does it suck to be one of the borderline cases where you just narrowly miss getting the payout? Sure. Does that mean nobody else should get the payout? Of course not. Get over yourselves and let society be improved.

Now, that said, I think forgiving student loans without fundamentally overhauling the extent to which post-secondary education costs have ballooned and teenagers can be turned into debt slaves is nothing more than a band-aid solution and the problem will just show up again in a couple years with zero improvement. But while band-aid solutions shouldn't be exclusively relied upon, sometimes you still need a band-aid to keep people from bleeding out until you fix what's cutting them, and student loans are absolutely one of those cases. Having that many people in that much debt just doesn't work for anyone except those profiting from it.

Cacciato posted...

The one argument I f***ing hate is when these people over the age of 55 or 60 (like my dad) talk about how they were able to pay for their school. Go pump tuition rates from the early 80s into an inflation calculator and then explain to me how universities justify charging triple what they did back then.

Yep. The "I was able to pay my tuition by working 10 hours a week, then got an average job when I graduated that allowed me to buy a house within a year" thing is getting more than a little old without how fundamentally out of touch it is. You've now got people paying vastly more for school, making less at every job, and dealing with rents that are significantly higher than mortgages on houses that cost five times more. The math is clear: This isn't working.

We don't have enough unhinged extremists in this country.

Jen0125 posted...

Why don't we get to vote on federal Supreme Court judges the way we do local?

That would be great, in theory, but 95% of the people voting on local judges don't know what they're doing. At best they're picking incumbent vs non-incumbent. At worst they're picking the funniest names.

And at the federal level in particular if we elected them with campaigns/etc they would go 100% partisan instantly and we would have MTGs in there. As bad as it's getting at least the good faith Presidents are adhering somewhat to the true legal purposes of the institution (along with the partisan considerations). Open elections in a partisan society increasingly forget their purpose altogether.

In the big picture it's not a political system problem: it's a community/us problem. If we want to be partisan we can tear apart any democratic government trying to pull us together. If we want to be a unified country we'll solve problems. The long and short of it is that all of this stuff is going to get worse unless a unifying event occurs. And such a unifying event would probably have to be a BAD event.

Bummer for those who were hoping for some relief. Are loan repayments still on freeze or does this affect that too?

wpot posted...

That would be great, in theory, but 95% of the people voting on local judges don't know what they're doing. At best they're picking incumbent vs non-incumbent. At worst they're picking the funniest names.

And at the federal level in particular if we elected them with campaigns/etc they would go 100% partisan instantly and we would have MTGs in there. As bad as it's getting at least the good faith Presidents are adhering somewhat to the true legal purposes of the institution (along with the partisan considerations). Open elections in a partisan society increasingly forget their purpose altogether.

In the big picture it's not a political system problem: it's a community/us problem. If we want to be partisan we can tear apart any democratic government trying to pull us together. If we want to be a unified country we'll solve problems. The long and short of it is that all of this stuff is going to get worse unless a unifying event occurs. And such a unifying event would probably have to be a BAD event.

How in the hell did you spin this towards "The common people aren't revolting enough."?

Didn't they change the supreme court nomination vote from 60/40 to 51/49 in the senate? Which is part of what led to the court being right wing stacked?

LonelyStoner posted...

How in the hell did you spin this towards "The common people aren't revolting enough."?

Well, they aren't.

Sure, but even if that happened, it's just putting a band aid on the symptom rather then addressing the core issue.

Such as, why does the education system funnel everyone into college after high school regardless of their economic position or if they are suited to going to college at all, rather then presenting other, more realistic per person career paths as equally viable choices without shame.

And why do colleges usually take all their profits and use almost all of them to make their campus more prestigious, which they then use to justify high tuition prices, rather then expanding the campus to accommodate more students, and thus, have entry be less competitive and allow for lower tuition prices?

The answer to that is obviously one makes more money.

faramir77 posted...

I will never for the life of me understand why the US Supreme Court is a partisan entity. I think it speaks to the weakness of the US constitution that it can be interpreted in such widely different ways by different people based on political orientation.

There needs to be serious reform across the entire structure of the US government. The Supreme Court is not an executive branch, and yet in recent years it seems like it's been exerting power as if it is. This is extremely dangerous.

It wouldn't be that bad except that they have lifetime appointments. Lifetime appointment for any position is not a good idea.

LonelyStoner posted...

How in the hell did you spin this towards "The common people aren't revolting enough."?

I dont think you understood what I said. If youd like the Cliff notes version, Western societies are doomed to advanced decadence (selfishness/lethargy/fragmentation) unless we find a reason to want to remain parts of large countries/work through differences. A serious threat would be the usual motivation. Each of these steps we complain about each news cycle are just taking us there.

wpot posted...

The long and short of it is that all of this stuff is going to get worse unless a unifying event occurs. And such a unifying event would probably have to be a BAD event.

You mean something like a second civil war to purge the conservatives again?

The undereducated conservatives and undereducated liberals who struggle pay check to pay check (high school education or less) often don't like the idea of their tax money going to helping people who make more than them. They are often inner city kids with less opportunities or rural blue collar workers with less industry. More effort needs to me put in to help them see the bigger picture, instead of them just wanting taxes to go to the things they need.

What did they decide? That biden couldn't unilaterally make that decision and it has to go through Congress first?

Accrovideogames posted...

You mean something like a second civil war to purge the conservatives again?

Lol! Who do you think has all of the guns! Hope you're not relying on the military to do your fighting for you considering they average about 70% conservative. Not sure what you mean by "again" either. You do realize the south was overwhelmingly run by Democrats during the Civil War, right?

faramir77 posted...

I will never for the life of me understand why the US Supreme Court is a partisan entity.

Because it's not supposed to be. The founders were wide-eyed idealists who couldn't imagine that people would vote in psychopathic rich people who hate everyone who isn't exactly like them.

Ozmose posted...

You do realize the south was overwhelmingly run by Democrats during the Civil War, right?

And Democrats were the conservative party during that period.

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jefferson davis the president of the confederacy and a democrat
alexander stephens was the vice president of the confederacy and a democrat
clearly us history is not your forte

potdnewb posted...

jefferson davis the president of the confederacy and a democrat
alexander stephens was the vice president of the confederacy and a democrat
clearly us history is not your forte

And yet you never see any democrats today flying confederate flags, and republicans love to fly it over the American flag. Curious!

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papercup posted...

And yet you never see any democrats today flying confederate flags, and republicans love to fly it over the American flag. Curious!

yes the parties have changed but saying the confederacy wasn't democratic is plain wrong and akin to an ostrich with its head in the sand

Ozmose posted...

Lol! Who do you think has all of the guns! Hope you're not relying on the military to do your fighting for you considering they average about 70% conservative. Not sure what you mean by "again" either. You do realize the south was overwhelmingly run by Democrats during the Civil War, right?

The Republicans and Democrats during that era are no longer the ones we know today. Conservative means not progressing and improving, preferring instead to hold onto outdated and flawed traditions. The pro-slavery people were conservatives. The Democrats in that era were the conservatives.

As for who owns the most guns, that's not how it works. The type of people who would fight to destroy the constitution, deludedly believing that they are defending it, aren't the types to be well-organized and tactically smart. They're chaotic evil. Most conservatives are also from older generations, so they're way past their prime. It doesn't matter if you own a dozen guns, you can't use more than one at the same time.

You also have to consider the interests of other countries. The progressive side would get a lot of support internationally, similarly to what is happening in Ukraine. Also don't forget that the reason why there are so few progressives in the military is because they don't buy into the patriotic propaganda. If there was a war to save their country, you can bet a shit ton of progressives would undergo training and join the ranks of soldiers fighting for a better future.

potdnewb posted...

yes the parties have changed but saying the confederacy wasn't democratic is plain wrong and akin to an ostrich with its head in the sand

The "head in the sand" technique is pretty much the gold standard around here. The democrats have generally fallen on the wrong side of history since the beginning. I wouldn't even say the party has changed all that much. Don't believe me? Here's a little something copy pasted straight from snopes. It's funny. It reads like they want to soften LBJ, but it only makes him sound even worse.

There's no question that Lyndon Johnson, despite championing the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and signing it into law, was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private. For example, he reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the "n****r bill" in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues. And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, "Son, when I appoint a n****r to the court, I want everyone to know he's a n****r."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

The liberal stupidity on the POTD board is astounding. It's like watching Morning Joe or The View.

OneGrumpyUncle posted...

The liberal stupidity on the POTD board is astounding. It's like watching Morning Joe or The View.

"Democrats used to be republicans and republicans used to be democrats." isn't the "gotcha" you think it is.

Accrovideogames posted...

The Republicans and Democrats during that era are no longer the ones we know today.

Eeyup. "The democrats were in favour of slavery!" is utterly meaningless in the context of any modern discussion of party ideologies.

Conservatives on twitter are losing their damn minds because they figured out that yesterday's ass backwards SCOTUS rulings are pissing off younger people into voting against them next year, so they're calling for people under 22 to lose their voting rights and into immediately be drafted into the military. They done fucked up and they know.

adjl posted...

Eeyup. "The democrats were in favour of slavery!" is utterly meaningless in the context of any modern discussion of party ideologies.

So Democrats are completely forgiven yet someone who made a stupid social media post years ago is branded for life.

jsb0714 posted...

So Democrats are completely forgiven yet someone who made a stupid social media post years ago is branded for life.

Was that person's entire family branded for their and their descendants' lives?

jsb0714 posted...

So Democrats are completely forgiven yet someone who made a stupid social media post years ago is branded for life.

Why should we be held responsible for the actions of others? Because your ancestor from 200 years ago was an asshole, you are an asshole? What the fuck is this kind of backward thinking? Murder someone and you'll rightfully be branded a murderer for life, but your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather murdered someone and you deserve to be called a murderer because of that? The level of logical fallacy you're demonstrating is ridiculous!

Do you think that 1)The democrats of today are the same democrats of 120 years ago? And 2) you don't actually think those people are still alive, do you? And ask yourself, if it's the democrats that were pro-slavery, why is it then the republicans are the ones eroding rights and trying to to turn anyone that isn't a straight white male christian into a second class citizen?

jsb0714 posted...

So Democrats are completely forgiven yet someone who made a stupid social media post years ago is branded for life.

I don't think anyone has completely forgiven the Democrats that fought in favour of slavery. They're all long dead, though, so that's largely moot as far as discussions of personal accountability go.

Also, by and large, people aren't branded for life just for making a stupid social media post years ago. They're branded for life for making a stupid social media post years ago, then when that post is brought up, doing nothing to apologize, atone, or otherwise indicate that they recognize the harm they did and no longer think that way. That's not being branded for life for making the stupid post, that's being branded for life for being the sort of person that stupid post represents.

Accrovideogames posted...

Why should we be held responsible for the actions of others? Because your ancestor from 200 years ago was an asshole, you are an asshole? What the fuck is this kind of backward thinking? Murder someone and you'll rightfully be branded a murderer for life, but your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather murdered someone and you deserve to be called a murderer because of that? The level of logical fallacy you're demonstrating is ridiculous!

So, by this logic you've just proven that the idea of reparations is incorrect. Why should people or a government of today pay for the sins of people or a government of 200 year ago. If the democrats should be forgiven then so must the republicans. Thank you for clearing this up.

Accrovideogames posted...

You mean something like a second civil war to purge the conservatives again?

Sadly, yesor WW3or real fears of nuclear war, etc. Of course theres no guarantee that we would get as good of a result as the last versions.

OneGrumpyUncle posted...

So, by this logic you've just proven that the idea of reparations is incorrect. Why should people or a government of today pay for the sins of people or a government of 200 year ago. If the democrats should be forgiven then so must the republicans. Thank you for clearing this up.

If your grandfather stole something that he passed on to you, should you not return it when you learn it was stolen?