Current Events > Which of this Supreme Court's decisions did you dislike the most?

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ElMaton04 posted...

For the others I strongly oppose abortion

All good, you don't have to get one.

Supporters of "freedom" cheering on the rollback of rights for millions. Freedom for me not for thee with these guys.

hockeybub89 posted...

I hate them all equally and the court must be forcibly removed from power and jailed

You can hate them all but these decisions definitely do not have equal impact.

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While that is true, you forget that life is created at the moment of conception and that it will eventually become a person if left alone. So if you understand science as you claimed, then you will also know this. So it doesn't matter if abortion occurs at week 1 or week x, it is simply cruel and immoral.

The only real exception to this if the mother is in real danger or if the fetus is already dead inside. A victim of rape should just give the child for adoption since it wasn't the child's fault and neither was the mother.

ElMaton04 posted...

While that is true, you forget that life is created at the moment of conception and that it will eventually become a person if left alone.

Did you see it? I'll spell it out for you.

ElMaton04 posted...

that it will eventually become a person

So it isn't a person when it's a fetus then?

ElMaton04 posted...

A victim of rape should just give the child for adoption since it wasn't the child's fault and neither was the mother.

So you're just super on board with rapists choosing who they want to give birth to their offspring? Not a world I want to live in. Let's punish the rape victim even further by making them give birth. One of the most traumatic things a human can go through, regardless of their age. If a 12 year old girl get's raped, you also then want her to give birth to a rapist's baby? You understand that could kill them right?

ElMaton04 posted...

While that is true, you forget that life is created at the moment of conception and that it will eventually become a person if left alone. So if you understand science as you claimed, then you will also know this. So it doesn't matter if abortion occurs at week 1 or week x, it is simply cruel and immoral.

The only real exception to this if the mother is in real danger or if the fetus is already dead inside. A victim of rape should just give the child for adoption since it wasn't the child's fault and neither was the mother.

What about.....how do you plan on supporting all these children? Do any pro lifers really have a good answer to this question? Many GOPers are already trying to cut funding for many social safety net programs already

ElMaton04 posted...

While that is true, you forget that life is created at the moment of conception and that it will eventually become a person if left alone. So if you understand science as you claimed, then you will also know this. So it doesn't matter if abortion occurs at week 1 or week x, it is simply cruel and immoral.

The only real exception to this if the mother is in real danger or if the fetus is already dead inside. A victim of rape should just give the child for adoption since it wasn't the child's fault and neither was the mother.

It does not matter what you believe or how you feel morally about it.

It's the woman's body and she has the right to decide what happens with it. End of fucking story.

Roe and the student loans have more of a direct material impact on more people's license, so those 2.

The website one sucks, but it's also a narrow ruling that should only apply for people wanting a specific type of custom service. So again, I truly hope it doesn't materially impact lgbt

And the affirmative action one really only impacts places like Harvard. Schools where a very small amount of the population attend

ElMaton04 posted...

life is created at the moment of conception

lol no it isn't

ElMaton04 posted...

While that is true, you forget that life is created at the moment of conception

According to?

Also, you want fewer abortions, that's cool. So you've voted Democrat in every election, right? Since abortion rates decline at a faster rate under a Democratic POTUS than they do a Republican POTUS.

hockeybub89 posted...

I hate them all equally and the court must be forcibly removed from power and jailed

Top 5 most unhinged take from this board of 2023.

Roe was the worst impact. The gay couple website was the worst reasoning since said couple didn't even fucking exist and the person filing it committed perjury.
So...I'm not sure how to even weight them vs. each other. The loss of Roe has obvious devastation.
But the precedent that you can blatantly lie under oath, be caught doing it, and still win your case when the basic standing behind it has completely collapsed? Who knows what horrors that will lead to...

I LIKED the student loan and affirmative action decisions, so those were good. Doesn't offset how awful the other 2 are, though.

The one that forces a 10-year old rape victim to give birth to her assailant's child.

RuneterranSnap posted...

It does not matter what you believe or how you feel morally about it.

It's the woman's body and she has the right to decide what happens with it. End of fucking story.

I think sometimes pro-abortion people don't understand how anti-abortion people look at the issue. To anti-abortion people it is NOT just the woman's body, it's also the child's. To them saying "What are you going to do with all these children anyway when so many need adoption?" it's like saying "There's too many kids that need adopted so let's murder some babies that way we have less kids to worry about"

To them, it doesn't mean anything to say that there are too many kids who need adoptive parents, because to them you can't just kill somebody because it's more convenient, they have a right to live.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

To anti-abortion people it is NOT just the woman's body, it's also the child's.

Okay but it isn't the "child's" body tho.

Student loans because it impacts me the most.

GranTurismo posted...

yeah, i kinda agree. Who do you blame the most for this awful court, trump?

Hillary Clinton for being such a shitty candidate that she lost to Donald Trump.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I think sometimes pro-abortion people don't understand how anti-abortion people look at the issue. To anti-abortion people it is NOT just the woman's body, it's also the child's. To them saying "What are you going to do with all these children anyway when so many need adoption?" it's like saying "There's too many kids that need adopted so let's murder some babies that way we have less kids to worry about"

To them, it doesn't mean anything to say that there are too many kids who need adoptive parents, because to them you can't just kill somebody because it's more convenient, they have a right to live.

Anti abortion people don't matter.

If you're advocating for people losing the right to bodily automony because of a purely moral standpoint, I am advocating for you to lose all rights to influence society.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Jailed for... what, exactly?

Crimes against humanity.

CaptainStrong posted...

Hillary Clinton for being such a shitty candidate that she lost to Donald Trump.

Didn't you vote for him

The Roe overturn has the worst outcomes, although I think it was the legally correct decision. The original Roe decision was an example of legislating from the bench.

radical_rhino posted...

The Roe overturn has the worst outcomes, although I think it was the legally correct decision. The original Roe decision was an example of legislating from the bench.

how was it legally the correct decision?

CaptainStrong posted...

Hillary Clinton for being such a shitty candidate that she lost to Donald Trump.

#1 responsibility is on the SC judges for doing this.

#2 responsibility lies with Trump for putting them there.

#3 responsibility lies with Trumps voters for well, voting for him.

Hillary is at #4 at best, and thats assuming Ive forgotten some other party in between. Not even a podium finish.

Also for the record by the definition of actual democracy she didnt lose.

Dark_Arbron posted...

#1 responsibility is on the SC judges for doing this.

#2 responsibility lies with Trump for putting them there.

#3 responsibility lies with Trumps voters for well, voting for him.

Hillary is at #4 at best, and thats assuming Ive forgotten some other party in between. Not even a podium finish.

Also for the record by the definition of actual democracy she didnt lose.

The Federalist Society and Mitch McConnell belong in their own positions near the top of that list, too. I'd put them between the judges themselves and Trump.
I'd also put RBG in there before Hillary, for being stupid and stubborn and not stepping down around 2014-2015 when people were urging her to.
Oh, and Russia belongs in there somewhere above RBG and Hillary, too.
Also I'd put Obama not putting Garland on the court and daring Bitch to hold a vote to kick him out on the list near the bottom, too. He really fucking should have.

this court constantly makes awful decisions and routinely legislates from the bench but dobbs was the worst by far and one of the worst decisions in decades. destroying abortion rights is incredibly regressive and awful.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I think sometimes pro-abortion people don't understand how anti-abortion people look at the issue. To anti-abortion people it is NOT just the woman's body, it's also the child's. To them saying "What are you going to do with all these children anyway when so many need adoption?" it's like saying "There's too many kids that need adopted so let's murder some babies that way we have less kids to worry about"

To them, it doesn't mean anything to say that there are too many kids who need adoptive parents, because to them you can't just kill somebody because it's more convenient, they have a right to live.

anti abortion people don't actually believe what they preach, they just want control over women. if they actually believed life started at conception they would be advocating for women who had sex to immediately go to hospital since if abortion = murder miscarriage would = manslaughter. if a woman had sex and got pregnant and had a drink that caused a miscarriage what should the punishment for that be? the entire worldview is absurd and just bullshit

radical_rhino posted...

The Roe overturn has the worst outcomes, although I think it was the legally correct decision. The original Roe decision was an example of legislating from the bench.

GranTurismo posted...

how was it legally the correct decision?

I believe even the pro-choice side recognized this would happen, which is why everyone from NOW to Planned Parenthood urged the Democrat controlled Congress to immediately enshrine abortion rights into law back in the early tens. They knew that Roe was based on shaky grounds. Democrats didn't do this, focusing on UHC, which is why you have pro-choicers saying the repeal of Row was partially Democrats fault.

Any dem president moving forward should push through a a scotus nominee no matter what they have to do to get it done. It was obvious this was going to happen when Mconnel blocked Obama from putting a replacement in with his bull **** excuse that some how did not apply to Trump despite it being in the exact same situation more or less.

That whole thing sums up the Republican party perfectly. How anyone let that weasel Mcconnel get away with that is beyond me. The only silver lining is maybe this will piss off enough young people and the dems get full control at elections.

closetkpopfan posted...

Any dem president moving forward should push through a a scotus nominee no matter what they have to do to get it done. It was obvious this was going to happen when Mconnel blocked Obama from putting a replacement in with his bull **** excuse that some how did not apply to Trump despite it being in the exact same situation more or less.

It wasn't the same situation more or less. It was 9 months before the election vs. 1.5 months.
Republicans didn't even wait till after the election during the lame duck session to ram it through, they just wanted to be as brazen as fucking possible about it and get it all done in 3 weeks.

That whole thing sums up the Republican party perfectly. How anyone let that weasel Mcconnel get away with that is beyond me. The only silver lining is maybe this will piss off enough young people and the dems get full control at elections.

There was nothing they could do to stop him from getting away with it, he had all the power at that moment.
Which is why Dems should've put Garland on the bench in 2016 when they had the power.
Bitch: "You can't seat him, we haven't confirmed him!"
Obama: "Then hold your vote and reject him."
Bitch: "No....I won't do that..."
Obama: "Cool, then on the SC he stays. If you object, have your little vote."

When it comes to Republicans, right and wrong means nothing. Only using power when you have it, or rolling over and playing dead for them like a good boy.

BB_mofo posted...

Democrats didn't do this, focusing on UHC, which is why you have pro-choicers saying the repeal of Row was partially Democrats fault.

Well at least they accomplished universal healthcare

hockeybub89 posted...

I hate them all equally and the court must be forcibly removed from power and jailed

This

Billyionaire posted...

I don't think jailing your political opponents is a good image or conducive to fixing the system that you see as broken... y'know?

If they're corrupt, if they aren't making decisions based in knowledge, logic, and compassion, if they aren't representing the best interests of the people and are actively discriminating then they need to lose their jobs, and government readjustment needs to be made to shorten terms and must be held to higher standards.

if dems ever get congressional supermajorities they need to impeach thomas/kavanaugh at minimum

RuneterranSnap posted...

Anti abortion people don't matter.

Weird, why are we discussing Roe v. Wade then

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I think sometimes pro-abortion people don't understand how anti-abortion people look at the issue. To anti-abortion people it is NOT just the woman's body, it's also the child's. To them saying "What are you going to do with all these children anyway when so many need adoption?" it's like saying "There's too many kids that need adopted so let's murder some babies that way we have less kids to worry about"

To them, it doesn't mean anything to say that there are too many kids who need adoptive parents, because to them you can't just kill somebody because it's more convenient, they have a right to live.

The people who virtue signal over this crap are also adamantly against providing care for the forced birth

So they aren't pro life, just anti choice

Hard to say, but probably Roe.

Ending Affirmative Action is pretty bad, but we may not know how bad until years from now.

I think ending Roe was the worst in terms of its effects, but I think the fact that they ruled on a completely fraudulent case is more troubling.

Sillyface_Mcdum posted...

Weird, why are we discussing Roe v. Wade then

We're discussing a mistake made by some priveleged monsters who think they have more power than they do.

IDK about you, but if my wife were to need an abortion, she'd be getting it regardless of what the laws or the individual doctor said.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/06/30/nearly-10000-babies-were-born-texas-last-year-due-abortion-ban-researchers-estimate/

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health researchers examined data and created a model of the number of expected births without the ban.

They estimate nearly 9,800 live births between April 2022 and December 2022 would not have happened if the ban had not been enacted.

A lead author said the findings show that thousands of people may have had no choice but to carry an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy to term.