Current Events > The more I read/watch about the OceanGate submersible, the worse it gets...

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I probably need to just stop watching videos and reading articles about it because it just gets worse at every turn. The CEO was warned by multiple industry experts, openly dismissed safety regulations, etc... Apparently the submersible was actually rated for 3000m because of the materials used, but the CEO was basically like "Nuh-uh," and ended up getting people killed.

Ridiculous.

CableZL posted...

I probably need to just stop watching videos and reading articles about it because it just gets worse at every turn. The CEO was warned by multiple industry experts, openly dismissed safety regulations, etc... Apparently the submersible was actually rated for 3000m because of the materials used, but the CEO was basically like "Nuh-uh," and ended up getting people killed.

Ridiculous.

Those emails that came out where he was pretty much like "screw you guys, I'm going to the titanic with my sweet ass sub!" while they all told him don't do it, people will die eventually was probably the worst.

Also, YouTube has "suddenly" started recommending all kinds of sudden decompression videos of like rail cars and shit like that. Lol

Honestly, the "best" thing about this disaster, is that everyone on board probably had no idea what happened before they died.

At worst, they might've seen the window start to crack or something before it blew and basically turned them all into something resembling chili at the back of the sub.

I mean when the name of your company already sounds like a scandal...

itcheyness posted...

Honestly, the "best" thing about this disaster, is that everyone on board probably had no idea what happened before they died.

At worst, they might've seen the window start to crack or something before it blew and basically turned them all into something resembling chili at the back of the sub.

Yea. "Best" for the tourists. Not sure about the CEO it means he died not knowing he killed everyone else and was wrong about the sub being safe.

ZEROWOLF posted...

I mean when the name of your company already sounds like a scandal...

Makes me think of Heavens Gate actually

No man...you got it all wrong. It was because he didn't hire a 50+ white guy to drive "due to diversity"!

/s of course.

CableZL posted...

Apparently the submersible was actually rated for 3000m because of the materials used, but the CEO was basically like "Nuh-uh," and ended up getting people killed.

I have a coworker of the same mind that this gets worse every time he reads something. Like beyond the rating of the materials he was reusing the subs which is a big no no for structural stability.

Sounds like a good idea. Just gotta ask yourself if knowing more about it and being upset about what you learn is actually helping anything or even has the potential to do so. If the answer is no, but you still wanna know more, that might be worth reflecting on.

Heineken14 posted...

Those emails that came out where he was pretty much like "screw you guys, I'm going to the titanic with my sweet ass sub!" while they all told him don't do it, people will die eventually was probably the worst.

Also, YouTube has "suddenly" started recommending all kinds of sudden decompression videos of like rail cars and s*** like that. Lol

LOL, seriously, I now have a bunch of recommended videos about that stuff, too.

Their website is still up, surprisingly

https://oceangateexpeditions.com/

Zikten posted...

https://oceangateexpeditions.com/

About > Our Team > 404

itcheyness posted...

At worst, they might've seen the window start to crack or something before it blew and basically turned them all into something resembling chili at the back of the sub.

That's apparently fairly common on submersibles. The first one that went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench had a cracked window pane as well.

Don Walsh (an oceanographer) later said if you hear a bang or a crack and have time to think about it, you're fine. But if the bang or crack is due to inferior equipment or poor safety, implosion is milliseconds away.

if you ever have to pay $250k for something and part of the contract says you might die you should probably turn around

Got a good resource to listen to?

CableZL posted...

LOL, seriously, I now have a bunch of recommended videos about that stuff, too.

Heineken14 posted...

Also, YouTube has "suddenly" started recommending all kinds of sudden decompression videos of like rail cars and shit like that. Lol

This is exactly why I open ALL non-gaming related youtube videos in a private browser lol.

Doe posted...

Got a good resource to listen to?

https://youtu.be/1ZTE6Wetty0?t=103

A CNN interview with a father and son who turned down the opportunity to go on the submersible. They talk about how they noticed some red flags with the vehicle itself and were bothered by the CEO traveling to them in attempt to convince them to change their minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2nhKAgz9H8

An interview with Vanessa O'Brien is an experienced "extreme explorer" who talks about her concerns with the Titan submersible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cXAu6N6EPg

An engineer warned the CEO that the material he was using to build the submersible wasn't safe, and she talks about how the CEO dismissed her concerns.

ZEROWOLF posted...

I mean when the name of your company already sounds like a scandal...

OceangateGate

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/2/6/AABjoOAAEn56.jpg

CableZL posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/2/6/AABjoOAAEn56.jpg

Quite the epitaph.

People far more experienced than me told me I was doing things wrong and I took that personally. So, I kept doing things wrong and people died.

BlueTigerLion posted...

Not sure about the CEO it means he died not knowing he killed everyone else and was wrong about the sub being safe.

At least we can take solace in that the CEO himself was piloting it and not some dude paid 50-70k/yr.

Rarely do we see CEO's in this kind of situation.

I listened to the Behind the Bastards episode. The details were somehow even worse than the stuff that was going around on Twitter

The crazy thing is, they really weren't even that deep in the grand scheme of things.

https://neal.fun/deep-sea/

The wreckage of the Titanic is about a third of the way down to the deepest portion of the sea.

itcheyness posted...

The crazy thing is, they really weren't even that deep in the grand scheme of things.

https://neal.fun/deep-sea/

The wreckage of the Titanic is about a third of the way down to the deepest portion of the sea.

That site? False, the USS Samuel B. Roberts was found at a deeper depth then the USS Johnston.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(DE-413)#

TheHorus posted...

That site? False, the USS Samuel B. Roberts was found at a deeper depth then the USS Johnston.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(DE-413)#

The wreck of the Samuel B Roberts was discovered a year ago, the site is a bit older than that...

itcheyness posted...

The crazy thing is, they really weren't even that deep in the grand scheme of things.

https://neal.fun/deep-sea/

The wreckage of the Titanic is about a third of the way down to the deepest portion of the sea.

And the vessel was made for depths for less than a third of that. The amateurish nature of this whole thing is staggering.

He sounds just like a mad scientist before going through the portal he just discovered this morning. Or Magneto.

EyeWontBeFooled posted...

And the vessel was made for depths for less than a third of that. The amateurish nature of this whole thing is staggering.

Yeah, I think that's the part that keeps making me want to know more about all of it. I had been seeing "OceanGate" in my Google News feed here and there, but I never clicked on any of the articles. Then people started talking about it a lot once they lost contact and I still didn't know much about it. So I started reading the articles to see what was going on. There are so many stupid things surrounding this, it's nuts.

CableZL posted...

About > Our Team > 404

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CableZL posted...

About > Our Team > 404

About > Our Submersible > 418

I told my best friend and cousin the tiger day about it being made out of carbon fiber and they refused to believe me lmao one of them said "how was it supposed to hold up" and I said "that's the fuckin point, it didn't!". They still don't believe me cuss eirs just that ridiculous.

Tora_Sami posted...

I told my best friend and cousin the tiger day about it being made out of carbon fiber and they refused to believe me lmao one of them said "how was it supposed to hold up" and I said "that's the fuckin point, it didn't!". They still don't believe me cuss eirs just that ridiculous.

Pics of tiger cousin, please.

Bandit_Keith posted...

Pics of tiger cousin, please.

No it was on tiger day, my cousin isn't a tiger. Though I do have a cousin who's mom would call him tiger....his name is Tony lol

real talk though, I fuckin hate my typos, it's like in every single message. I like quickly proof read and I still miss something i hate my life lol lol lol

Then the conservative grifters tried to blame it's failure on being "woke" because of some statement where the guy in cutting corners made some statement about not hiring old white guys because younger, more diverse engineers could do it cheaper.

No actual proof that hiring old white guys was the original plan...
No actual proof a more diverse group was hired...
No actual proof old white guys could have done better on the same cost cutting budget and time constraints...

In reality, it was unregulated capitalism and greed that doomed those people, and that's why they have to lie to you and blame "woke" for it's failure.

Zikten posted...

Their website is still up, surprisingly

https://oceangateexpeditions.com/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/4/AAde2jAAEn9e.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/1/AAde2jAAEnE3.png

https://www.insider.com/oceangate-stockton-rush-finance-director-quit-submersible-pilot-fired-2023-7

• The original chief pilot raised safety concerns and was fired by the CEO
• The CEO then asked the accountant to be the chief pilot. She quit after finding another job.
• The company sued the original chief pilot for saying he was fired for raising safety concerns

Zikten posted...

Their website is still up, surprisingly

https://oceangateexpeditions.com/

That may get shutdown eventually. Similar to how the PMC Sandline Internation became defunct on April 16, 2004 but their website didnt go offline till 2020.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandline_International

The fact that the sub made it down there and back 3 previous times sounds like a miraculous act at this point.

Kradek posted...

At least we can take solace in that the CEO himself was piloting it and not some dude paid 50-70k/yr.

Rarely do we see CEO's in this kind of situation.

He likely only did so to save cost. Along with having the tourist themselves participate in crew duty and responsibilitys. Which would save him hundreds of thousands of dollars potentially.

Frankly I'm a little curious just how profitable his business actually was if even on top of wages, maintenance, bills, etc. Nevermind whenever trips had to be canceled, refunded, and rescheduled.

CableZL posted...

https://www.insider.com/oceangate-stockton-rush-finance-director-quit-submersible-pilot-fired-2023-7
* The original chief pilot raised safety concerns and was fired by the CEO
* The CEO then asked the accountant to be the chief pilot. She quit after finding another job.
* The company sued the original chief pilot for saying he was fired for raising safety concerns

Did the accountant have any experience piloting ships or subs? o.0

CableZL posted...

About > Our Team > 404

Contact Us is also 404 lol. They know it would be nothing hate mail if they left it up

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/2/AABjoOAAEoAG.png

So they say they worked with NASA, Boeing, and the University of Washington... This is apparently a lie.

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/boeing-uw-and-nasa-deny-design-partnerships-with-oceangate/

The Boeing Company worked with OceanGate and the UW on initial design analysis of the 7-inch-thick pressure vessel, the release read.

In a clarification added to the 2013 news release on Wednesday, the UW said, the vessel that resulted from this partnership was a steel-hulled submersible that can travel to 500 meters ( 0.3 miles) depth, named the Cyclops 1.

OceanGate refers to Titan as its second Cyclops-class submersible.
Denials of involvement in the subs design have also been issued by NASA and the University of Washington.
The space agency told an Alabama news outlet this week that it consulted with OceanGate but did not conduct testing and manufacturing (of the submersible) via its workforce or facilities.
The University of Washingtons Applied Physics Laboratory also issued a disclaimer this week.
A 2013 university news release describes a joint effort by OceanGate and the physics lab.
In a statement to The Herald on Thursday the UW said,The physics lab initially signed a $5 million research collaborative agreement with OceanGate, but only $650,000 worth of work was completed before the two organizations parted ways.

That collaboration resulted in a steel-hulled vessel, named the Cyclops 1, that can travel to 500 meters depth, which is far shallower than the depths that OceanGates Titan submersible traveled to. The Laboratory was not involved in the design, engineering or testing of the Titan submersible used in the RMS Titanic expedition, the UW said.

They literally don't follow any laws in international waters

Zikten posted...

Their website is still up, surprisingly

https://oceangateexpeditions.com/

They also have other social media channels, such as Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc.
https://twitter.com/OceanGateExped

https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1675922801377832961

innovation intensifies

https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/the-titan-submersible-was-an-accident-waiting-to-happen

She added that several of the engineers were in their late teens and early twenties, and were at one point being paid fifteen dollars an hour. Without Lochridge around, I could not work for Stockton, she said. I did not trust him. As soon as she was able to line up a new job, she quit.