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Spiritlittle
07/03/23 7:32:48 AM
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Dial of Destiny is set to bomb, Element bombed, Flash bombed, Black Adam bombed, etc.

The only major films that released exclusively in theaters this year so far that didn't bomb were Scream 6 and Across the Spider-Verse.

What do you think the reason is?

We've seen modern films do really well, like Scream 6, Avatar The Way of Water, etc. But the majority of recent releases are losing companies millions of dollars.

I think it's a combination of factors. People are getting spoiled and it's convenient to have something to watch on a streaming service at home. I think it's also fatigue for having seen the same thing over and over. Puss and Boots 2 received glowing reviews and did way better than it was expected to, so it seems audiences are finally wanted to see something original and want to see less superheroes and nonsense.

Or is it the economy and the insane prices at the theater for a family to go for a 2 hour event?

It's sad. At this rate, theaters will die. I much prefer going to the theater (alone) than to have the distraction of being able to pull my phone out or go to the kitchen or whatever without missing anything.

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Avirosb
07/03/23 7:34:11 AM
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Movies are too loud and distracts from phone.

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Slayer_22
07/03/23 7:34:55 AM
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Probably because the movies sucked.

Evil Dead Rise also did incredibly well.

So did the Super Mario Bros movie.

Good movies with good reviews tend to do great.

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Spiritlittle
07/03/23 7:36:45 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Probably because the movies sucked.

Evil Dead Rise also did incredibly well.

So did the Super Mario Bros movie.

Good movies with good reviews tend to do great.
Super Mario Bros. had a great marketing campaign behind it. The movie itself... eh. Didn't like it.

Didn't even know Evil Dead Rise was in theaters, honestly. But that's not surprising. Horror movies tend to do well because the budget for them is usually lower, except for like IT Chapter 1 and IT Chapter 2.

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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 7:36:45 AM
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Everything being expensive as it is, I'm not dropping 30 bucks per person on a goddamn movie once you add a drink and something to eat unless it's well reviewed or something I'm invested in like the MCU or long lasting franchises. Food and rent is out of control, the few luxuries I have left will be carefully considered.

Black Adam did deserve better though.

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Avirosb
07/03/23 7:37:05 AM
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Evil Dead Rise can't be good because the chainsaw guy isn't in it.
Half of that franchise's charm came from physical comedy.

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Ivynn
07/03/23 7:38:01 AM
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Couple reasons:

-the last few flops weren't particularly good movies to begin with

-theaters still haven't recovered post-covid

-theater tickets are more expensive now so people are more selective of what movies to see. can't really just see a movie on a whim right now.

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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 7:39:48 AM
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Avirosb posted...
Evil Dead Rise can't be good because the chainsaw guy isn't in it.
Half of that franchise's charm came from physical comedy.
That reminds me I got to watch the series on HBO Max while it's there, probably will expire soon.

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Spiritlittle
07/03/23 7:40:12 AM
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Ivynn posted...
Couple reasons:

-the last few flops weren't particularly good movies to begin with

-theaters still haven't recovered post-covid

-theater tickets are more expensive now so people are more selective of what movies to see. can't really just see a movie on a whim right now.
Thing is, even movies that are bad or "mid," tend to make money. There was a time where box office bombs were exceptionally rare. Now, they're becoming the norm.

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xsdarknesssx
07/03/23 7:42:47 AM
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I have never been the biggest going to the movies person, with Covid it just made it easier because they decided to just release some without a theater release. Over the years thanks to streaming etc we can also expect movies to show up on streaming services much quicker than in the past when we had to wait 9+ months for them to run through theaters and come out on dvd/blueray or vhs (for us older people)

Big blockbusters still make a ton of money so I do not see theaters going away totally but I do so them maybe become more of a premium experiance similar to like going to see a play, or some sort of sporting event.
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Ratchetrockon
07/03/23 7:44:24 AM
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It cheaper to just stream

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Ivynn
07/03/23 7:45:08 AM
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Spiritlittle posted...
Thing is, even movies that are bad or "mid," tend to make money. There was a time where box office bombs were exceptionally rare. Now, they're becoming the norm.

That ties in to people not seeing movies "on a whim" anymore. If they're going to spend 20 bucks + absurdly priced concessions, they're gonna do so on a movie they know is good or part of a franchise they like. Anything bad or mid they'll catch on streaming.

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tripleh213
07/03/23 7:45:24 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
It cheaper to just stream


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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 7:45:50 AM
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xsdarknesssx posted...
I have never been the biggest going to the movies person, with Covid it just made it easier because they decided to just release some without a theater release. Over the years thanks to streaming etc we can also expect movies to show up on streaming services much quicker than in the past when we had to wait 9+ months for them to run through theaters and come out on dvd/blueray or vhs (for us older people)

Big blockbusters still make a ton of money so I do not see theaters going away totally but I do so them maybe become more of a premium experiance similar to like going to see a play, or some sort of sporting event.
except Marvel unfortunately they're still averaging like 6 months between theatrical and Disney + last I checked.

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Cheater87
07/03/23 7:50:21 AM
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Streaming is easier and at times cheaper.

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Kitt
07/03/23 7:50:31 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Good movies with good reviews

Super Mario Bros
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FolkenRawr
07/03/23 7:50:59 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
except Marvel unfortunately they're still averaging like 6 months between theatrical and Disney + last I checked.

It's like 45 days. An easy wait.

Going to the theater was always expensive. Post covid it just feels so much more convenient to wait a month and a half to watch on the couch.

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Slayer_22
07/03/23 7:51:34 AM
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Avirosb posted...
Evil Dead Rise can't be good because the chainsaw guy isn't in it.
Half of that franchise's charm came from physical comedy.
He actually is, a voiced cameo!

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Jiggy101011
07/03/23 7:53:25 AM
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Because 90% of movies hit a streaming surface about 2 months later. Or you can just rent/buy the movie on Xbox or Playstation like 3 weeks later.

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Dakimakura
07/03/23 7:54:40 AM
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They suck?

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bluezero
07/03/23 7:56:02 AM
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Absolute selfish jerks go to movie theaters, thus ruining my movie theater experience.

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bsp77
07/03/23 7:57:21 AM
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Spiritlittle posted...
The only major films that released exclusively in theaters this year so far that didn't bomb were Scream 6 and Across the Spider-Verse.
Not true at all. Mario, Guardians, John Wick, Creed, Evil Dead, Megan

But yes, there have been a few high profile bombs. The biggest issue is that the budgets on these movies is insane. For instance, The Little Mermaid would have been profitable if the budget wasn't $250 million.

The DC movies are bombing due to past movies, lack of cohesion and confusion about the future and how anything current matters.

Indiana Jones. Man, that is a shock to me how much Millenials and Gen Z just don't care.

Elemental? Disney and Pixar animation have been fucked ever since Disney taught them to watch on Disney+. Even Encanto, a well loved movie, got most of its audience on Disney+

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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 7:58:10 AM
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FolkenRawr posted...
It's like 45 days. An easy wait.

Going to the theater was always expensive. Post covid it just feels so much more convenient to wait a month and a half to watch on the couch.
Seems I was wrong but so are you. Thor took 2 months to come over and Black Panther took 82 days, so 2 and 3/4 of a month. Think Shang Chi and Strange were the only 2 to actually get in at the 45 day mark.

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littlebro07
07/03/23 7:58:58 AM
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Jiggy101011 posted...
Because 90% of movies hit a streaming surface about 2 months later. Or you can just rent/buy the movie on Xbox or Playstation like 3 weeks later.

this, not dropping nearly $100 for tickets and food for my wife and I to watch something we can check out for free in a couple months

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Torgo
07/03/23 7:59:52 AM
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Ivynn posted...
-theaters still haven't recovered post-covid

I think this is due to streaming. If we lived in a pre-streaming world, theaters would have been packed after something like Covid.

but now we have 60" flat screen 4K HDTV streaming new releases - why go to theaters, deal with crowds, crying babies, rude idiots talking, people on their phones, etc... if you aren't a teenager going for the social aspect?

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Dakimakura
07/03/23 7:59:55 AM
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Why would anyone under the age of 40 go see an 80 year old Harrison Ford in a generic ass attempt to recreate what the old movies were. There is absolutely nothing about this film that anyone needs to see.

Movie was bombed from the start. Hollywood and the entertainment industry just needs to be better if they expect people to pay outrageous prices.

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Hornezz
07/03/23 8:00:24 AM
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The difference between watching a movie at home vs in theater became a lot smaller over the past 20 years or so. Theaters used to be your best shot if you wanted to watch the newest movies at the highest quality. But nowadays 65inch 4k HDR TVs at home have become standard, and movies are often available on streaming less than 2 months after release.

Plenty of movie options at home without the extra effort or cost of theaters makes it so that the theater experience really has to offer something really special for it to be worthwhile. The pandemic and rising inflation likely made more people aware of all this.

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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 8:00:51 AM
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bsp77 posted...
Not true at all. Mario, Guardians, John Wick, Creed, Evil Dead, Megan

But yes, there have been a few high profile bombs. The biggest issue is that the budgets on these movies is insane. For instance, The Little Mermaid would have been profitable if the budget wasn't $250 million.

The DC movies are bombing due to past movies, lack of cohesion and confusion about the future and how anything current matters.

Indiana Jones. Man, that is a shock to me how much Millenials and Gen Z just don't care.

Elemental? Disney and Pixar animation have been fucked ever since Disney taught them to watch on Disney+. Even Encanto, a well loved movie, got most of its audience on Disney+
Indiana really should've passed the torch by now. He's a legendary character but he really needs to go the James Bond route if he wants to continue. And by that I mean a different actor who really leans into a few of his traits should have the role for a decade and then move on to the next.

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FolkenRawr
07/03/23 8:00:56 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
Seems I was wrong but so are you. Thor took 2 months to come over and Black Panther took 82 days, so 2 and 3/4 of a month. Think Shang Chi and Strange were the only 2 to actually get in at the 45 day mark.

Fair enough. Still an easy wait for me

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Dakimakura
07/03/23 8:02:42 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
Indiana really should've passed the torch by now. He's a legendary character but he really needs to go the James Bond route if he wants to continue. And by that I mean a different actor who really leans into a few of his traits should have the role for a decade and then move on to the next.

Doesn't really matter who the lead is with Disney calling the shots. Just going to be a low risk mid movie that is quickly forgotten.

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Chicken
07/03/23 8:03:20 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
That reminds me I got to watch the series on HBO Max while it's there, probably will expire soon.
I just finished a rewatch last month. Such a good show.

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bsp77
07/03/23 8:05:10 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
Indiana really should've passed the torch by now. He's a legendary character but he really needs to go the James Bond route if he wants to continue. And by that I mean a different actor who really leans into a few of his traits should have the role for a decade and then move on to the next.
Or just let it be over. I would have been find with only 3 movies. Still, I was surprised by the lack of interest. But maybe I shouldn't have been as my mini Letterboxd review confirms:

While not bad, it is my least favorite Indiana Jones. Overlong with a solemn Harrison Ford and only one action set piece (Morocco chase) that truly stands up with the best of the franchiae. I guess maybe two set pieces, as the opening section was exhilarating (other than some uncanny valley de-aging). Really my issue is that this is an Indiana Jones movie and Indiana Jones never really shows up. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is outstanding, however, and is by far the best part of the movie, making up somewhat for his lack of energy.

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bsp77
07/03/23 8:07:42 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Didnt the Mario movie do really well?
Exceedingly. The opening post was pretty off, although the question was valid

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Avirosb
07/03/23 8:07:52 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Didnt the Mario movie do really well?
Well yeah. Chrisp Ratt was in it.

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bsp77
07/03/23 8:09:54 AM
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That has nothing to do with it

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Spiritlittle
07/03/23 8:13:55 AM
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bsp77 posted...
Exceedingly. The opening post was pretty off, although the question was valid
I forgot the Super Marios Bros movie even came out, tbh.

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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 8:14:38 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Didnt the Mario movie do really well?
Most successful animated movie of all time IIRC, made 1.3 billion at the box office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_in_film

It joins a list of 52 movies to date that made over a billion at the box office.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-movies-that-made-over-a-billion-dollars-ranked-by-tomatometer/

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Nukazie
07/03/23 8:15:18 AM
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thos who dont do well probably aint good movies

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Spiritlittle
07/03/23 8:16:19 AM
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Nukazie posted...
thos who dont do well probably aint good movies
Eh. Not really. There are plenty of great movies that barely break even.

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bsp77
07/03/23 8:17:25 AM
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Spiritlittle posted...
I forgot the Super Marios Bros movie even came out, tbh.
No problem. As I said your question is valid. I study the box office quite a bit because I am part of a box office league where we bet on how much movies will make. A couple of the failures this year have been shocking.

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opopopza
07/03/23 8:18:40 AM
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I think a big reason is that the major studios have gotten incredibly lazy with their giant tent pole films. Most of their big budget movies look insanely cheap (Indiana Jones, Flash, Ant-Man). But the problem is that they are not cheap. Studios can now tweak and change movies up to the release date, which inflates the budget and rarely seems to make the movies better. Sometimes it works, like in the Spider-Man movies, but not often.

20 years ago, the Flash would've been a fun 98 minute action movie that cost $80 million dollars, would've made a nice profit, and would've set up a new franchise. Now it's a disaster.

I don't think the amount of terrible movies that Hollywood makes has increased, but the costs have gone up so much that the bad ones are pretty much doomed from the start. Disney knew that Strange Worlds was not going to be a hit, but their hands were tied because of the crazy budget, they were in too deep.

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bsp77
07/03/23 8:20:13 AM
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opopopza posted...
I think a big reason is that the major studios have gotten incredibly lazy with their giant tent pole films. Most of their big budget movies look insanely cheap (Indiana Jones, Flash, Ant-Man). But the problem is that they are not cheap. Studios can now tweak and change movies up to the release date, which inflates the budget and rarely seems to make the movies better. Sometimes it works, like in the Spider-Man movies, but not often.

20 years ago, the Flash would've been a fun 98 minute action movie that cost $80 million dollars, would've made a nice profit, and would've set up a new franchise. Now it's a disaster.

I don't think the amount of terrible movies that Hollywood makes has increased, but the costs have gone up so much that the bad ones are pretty much doomed from the start. Disney knew that Strange Worlds was not going to be a hit, but their hands were tied because of the crazy budget, they were in too deep.
This is true

Also, July looks awesome. The trifecta of Mission Impossible, Oppenheimer and Barbie should be big.

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Rise_Makaveli
07/03/23 8:22:43 AM
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bsp77 posted...
This is true

Also, July looks awesome. The trifecta of Mission Impossible, Oppenheimer and Barbie should be big.
Most are going to see one though. Leaning towards Barbie myself honestly.

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Ranting__Nord
07/03/23 8:22:56 AM
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My wife has straight up decided she doesn't want to go to the theater anymore. She's had like 10 bad experiences in a row with people talking, babies crying, people shining their phone light in her eyes, etc.

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Barber102
07/03/23 8:23:58 AM
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Taking me and my kids to the movies and getting snacks now costs me nearly $100. I aint doing that for anything less than a movie me and my kids absolutely cant wait to see. Weve seen 2 movies this year in theatres.

super mario bros and across the spider-verse.

I almost seen the flash for michael keatons batman, but I cant support ezra.

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bsp77
07/03/23 8:26:06 AM
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Rise_Makaveli posted...
Most are going to see one though. Leaning towards Barbie myself honestly.
I don't know. I think a lot of people will see more than one especially in the weeks that follow as some of these will attract older audiences who don't rush. I am of course seeing all 3 but I see everything.

Also, Oppenheimer and Barbie only cost $100 million each so will be profitable.

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TyVulpine
07/03/23 8:31:21 AM
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The cost for a family of four for tickets and snacks (one drink and one food item for each) can easily reach $100 these days

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