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Certificate of completion from the NJIT Cybersecurity Professional Bootcamp

AWS Certified Cloud Practitioner

Cisco Certified CyberOps Associate

LPI Linux Essentials

CompTIA CySA+

CompTIA Network+

CompTIA Security+

42 weeks to finish, what salary can I realistically expect if I pull the trigger. Prior to this, I learned basic ass level python and that's it.

I work on a computer all day and none of that makes sense to me

Seems like something you wouldn't want to do unless you had an employer footing the bill

if you have a related BSc as a basis its probably fine but otherwise if no relevant work experience boot camps are a non-hire unless you directly know people at the target company / startup.

GibraItar posted...

I work on a computer all day and none of that makes sense to me

Copied and pasted from website but fuck it, this is what I'm talking about.

https://digitalskills.njit.edu/lp/new-impact-bootcamp/

Was my old school that I didn't graduate from so they're trying to get me back in. Had to leave school due to personal, financial and family issues. By the time they all resolved or stabilized it was too late for me to go back unless I took out like 20k in loans and got a perfect schedule every semester as far getting into the classes I needed and passing every single one of them. Choice was either work full time and get promoted, which I did, making 70k a year plus overtime or take a risk to get a starting pay of 50k or so on average.

also FWIW why in the actual **** are so many people trying to get into cybersecurity right now? Seems like a bunch of schools trying to get paid (to me as a professional).

Like I was waiting for an order at McDonalds a couple weeks ago and I overheard one guy tell another how he was entering a cybersecurity program and that he should join up too, etc.

I chimed in and told them that AI can test for exploits and do most of what they were discussing.

shironinja posted...

also FWIW why in the actual **** are so many people trying to get into cybersecurity right now? Seems like a bunch of schools trying to get paid (to me as a professional).

Like I was waiting for an order at McDonalds a couple weeks ago and I overheard one guy tell another how he was entering a cybersecurity program and that he should join up too, etc.

I chimed in and told them that AI can test for exploits and do most of what they were discussing.

So it has no value is what you're saying? And I don't particularly care for cyber security, I just want a job where I can work at home and something computer centric seems to fit. I want to be like all the other people just job hopping to whatever convenient from the safety and comfort of my house and dealing with minimal people in the process.

18k seems like quite a bit, compared to less costly options. Do you have a target company/companies you'd like to enter?

You don't need to be coding necessarily, either. I recommend looking into devops / continuous integration as well. You can also try to become more management/Scrum master if you like interacting with people.

Before you complete the course, it might be good to start applying places and RNG into a spot. You'll be surprised how much you can learn, even from an interview that didn't land the job.

Boot camps are useful if you have a degree and you want to make yourself more competitive in a specific area like network security, but no serious company that's going to treat you the way you want to be treated, let alone let you work from home, is going to even let you get to the interview stage on just a boot camp and some self-taught programming. You can't just sign up for a course and play catch up against people who spent four years studying a subject. Programming is so much more than just knowing how to write lines of python, and you would do well to get more familiar with the sort of course load you would get in a computer science course before seriously considering career hopping like this.

Rise_Makaveli posted...

Certificate of completion from the NJIT Cybersecurity Professional Bootcamp

AWS Certified Cloud Practitioner

Cisco Certified CyberOps Associate

LPI Linux Essentials

CompTIA CySA+

CompTIA Network+

CompTIA Security+

42 weeks to finish, what salary can I realistically expect if I pull the trigger. Prior to this, I learned basic ass level python and that's it.

Wait so you pay $18k and you'll come out of the bootcamp with all those certs? The CompTIA exams are only a couple hundred dollars to take and you can watch Professor Messer's Youtube videos to study for them. That's what I did when I had to take the Security+ exam. Also Security+ is essentially A+ and Network+ combined. Probably better to do that with those CompTIA certs and get your foot in the door. Someone with no experience and a laundry list of certs might not look great on a resume. Someone with a lot of knowledge but no real world understanding of the tech. Those are the types that'll tell me to close ports on my web server that are open to the internet cause their vuln scanner told them so.

BlazinBlue88 posted...

Wait so you pay $18k and you'll come out of the bootcamp with all those certs? The CompTIA exams are only a couple hundred dollars to take and you can watch Professor Messer's Youtube videos to study for them. That's what I did when I had to take the Security+ exam. Probably better to do that with those three CompTIA certs and get your foot in the door. Someone with no experience and a laundry list of certs might not look great on a resume. Someone with a lot of knowledge but no real world understanding of the tech. Those are the types that'll tell me to close ports on my web server that are open to the internet cause their vuln scanner told them so.

The certs are just a byproduct. Usually boot camps like this are effectively summer cram schools where you take classes in the most fundamentals of programming and networking with the final exam in each being a cert exam of some kind.

The boot camps I've seen like this that have had any sort of success are partnered up with local businesses to basically fast track somebody into an IT position with the exact skill set necessary for that job, but without giving the person a well-rounded education on the subject. Like you said, you get people who can follow procedure but don't really understand what they're doing or why.

The big risk is that even if a job is lined up after the boot camp for you, your resume still looks terrible and so you're effectively forced to stay at that company because no one else will hire you. Some companies do it as a cheap way to get baseline competent tech support without having to pay nearly as much as they would to someone with a full degree, and knowing that the people who come in don't really have much room to complain about working conditions because they're not qualified to go anywhere else.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/0/AADdfsAAEll2.jpg

$18,000 is a lot for that.

Yeah I'm aware of boot camps to an extent but more from a programming language standpoint like python boot camp or java boot camp.

s0nicfan posted...

The big risk is that even if a job is lined up after the boot camp for you, your resume still looks terrible and so you're effectively forced to stay at that company because no one else will hire you. Some companies do it as a cheap way to get baseline competent tech support without having to pay nearly as much as they would to someone with a full degree, and knowing that the people who come in don't really have much room to complain about working conditions because they're not qualified to go anywhere else.

Oh wow I knew a lot of boot camps will "guarantee" you a job at the end by partnering with a company but I didn't consider the aspect of them being stuck at the company. That's kinda fucked.

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Sounds like TC wants to get into cyber security cause it's the current hot field in IT and he wants to work from home.

Honestly, No.

Unless you have a company actively looking at you and has an offer on the table if you complete all that. It really won't even matter.

You won't have experience and that's what most places want for high paying gigs. I mean you can definitely get a Jr sys admin or Mid/High tier helpdesk role and work up from there, but you won't be getting major roles with moola out the gate.

I have a few certs, and my bachelors degree but I didn't major in CS and my companies have paid for all the certs I have so far. I just worked my ass off and got recruited in a sweet WFH gig 4 years out of school that pays very nicely.

Some cities have this bootcamp provided to the public for free thanks to H1B revenue received.

No

If you're trying to get into the field you'd be better off going for an actual degree if you don't already have that.