Poll of the Day > ugh no matter what roguelite i play it just makes me want hades 2 even more

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hades 2 needs to come faster frfr

i've been playing little noah, and it just makes me want to play skul hero slayer, because it's like the same but kinda less good than skul, and when i play that i just want hades even more

i'm so melancholy

Play Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1203630/Record_of_Lodoss_WarDeedlit_in_Wonder_Labyrinth/

Not a roguelite, but it seems like you want the high-speed action more than the randomness...

no

well, you've probably played Dead Cells... what else have yoou done so I can narrow down more

i have played dead cells. it's good, but the art style makes my eyes hurt after a while so i quit playing.

i've played, and generally enjoyed

hades
little noah
vampire survivors
skul hero slayer
neon abyss
cult of the lamb
scourgebringer
loop hero
does slay the spire count?
noita
risk of rain 2
void bastards
altf4
moonlighter

games i played but did not like for various reasons

one step from eden
undermine
monster train
risk of rain 1
dicey dungeons
bpm
enter and escape the gungeon

If you liked Loop Hero I highly recommend Stuck in Time (formerly Loop Odyssey), which is a more singular campaign version of Loop Hero

On the light side there's Peglin: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1296610/Peglin/

A Touhou ripoff of Vampire Survivors: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2349830/Touhou_Gensokyo_Survivors/

This weirdass game Spiffing Brit likes: https://store.steampowered.com/app/669330/Mechabellum/

... and I do love Realm of the Mad God, but it's VERY hard

Barony is one of my favourite 3D roguelikes: https://store.steampowered.com/app/371970/Barony/

And Rogue's Tale is one of my favourite traditional roguelikes: https://store.steampowered.com/app/265990/Rogues_Tale/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/252610/Death_Road_to_Canada/ is... well, it's just good

And Moonlighter is basically roguelike Recettear, very good: https://store.steampowered.com/app/606150/Moonlighter/

And Sundered is.... eh, not my thing, but has hand-drawn animation which is cool: https://store.steampowered.com/app/535480/Sundered_Eldritch_Edition/

Children of Morta is basically Moonlighter with more characters and less shop.

Boneraiser Minions is Vampire Survivors but with more of a tower defense-y spin in that your minions do damage for you and you can build the arena to some extent (it's also dirt cheap).

A Robot Named Fight is Super Metroid but Roguelite, which actually works really well despite how fundamentally incompatible Metroidvanias are with procedural generation (they get around it by randomising which new abilities you get on each run and limiting the map gen to only add obstacles that those abilities can clear, which feels really organic).

Ya, a robot names fight is really good

I played a short, roguelike deck-building game recently that I loved.

Name was "Inscryption".

Lokarin posted...

well, you've probably played Dead Cells... what else have yoou done so I can narrow down more

Is that worth getting into?

Throwing another vote in for Robot Named Fight that game is pretty rad

LonelyStoner posted...

Is that worth getting into?

It's one of the most satisfying combat platformers ever made

Lokarin posted...

It's one of the most satisfying combat platformers ever made

I picked it up for about five minutes before having to do something else. I'll give it another shot.

LonelyStoner posted...

I picked it up for about five minutes before having to do something else. I'll give it another shot.

That's always the worst, because intellectually you know that you didn't play for long enough to actually form an opinion, but at some subconscious level you end up believing that you didn't like it because it wasn't able to hook you when you tried it, so finding the motivation to try again is hard.

plus there are some weapon types in Dead Cells that don't feel the best, but there's a weapon for everyone out there... lots of them

Have you tried dungeon crawl stone soup? Its very traditional roguelike based off a 1997 roguelike, but has bee updated for years, avoiding feature bloat and strives for Quality of Life updates.

adjl posted...

That's always the worst, because intellectually you know that you didn't play for long enough to actually form an opinion, but at some subconscious level you end up believing that you didn't like it because it wasn't able to hook you when you tried it, so finding the motivation to try again is hard.

Exactly lol. As a general rule, I try to give most games a couple of hours before deciding if it isn't my cup of tea. Someone (hopefully) worked hard on it.

LonelyStoner posted...

Exactly lol. As a general rule, I try to give most games a couple of hours before deciding if it isn't my cup of tea. Someone (hopefully) worked hard on it.

I find it depends on the game, exactly what I don't like about it, and whether or not others' opinions give me reason to believe those issues are going to improve. Sometimes, giving it more time obviously won't help. Sometimes, it does. Other times, a tweak to how I approach it can make it more enjoyable.

The worst example for me was Ogre Battle 64. I played it for a couple hours, was having a good time, but I was really tired for unrelated reasons and kept nodding off (it was a good game, but early on it wasn't exciting enough to compensate for my sleep deprivation). That was like 15 years ago and I still haven't made it back to try again. I know I'll have a good time if I do, but my subconscious just remembers falling asleep while playing it and that means I have zero motivation.

Surprised anyone can like Slay the Spire and not love Monster Train. The flip between battle and deck modification cycles is great. Paired with the TD element and the ability to powerup individual cards was great. Also One Step from Eden was an amazing MMBN rougelike. I played at least 120 hours of that which is high for me. Undermine was great too, love the Isaac influences.

Glad you enjoy Hades, Loop Hero, Slay the Spire and Cult of the Lamb (I havent go to play that one yet though). Scourgebringer was too hard for me lol.

Heres my list.

S:

• Binding of Isaac Rebirth
• Slay the Spire
• Synthetik
• Faster Than Light
• Hades
• Dont Starve
• Brotato

A:

• Atomicrops (classic farming mode)
• One Step from Eden
• Into the Breach
• Crypt of the Necrodancer
• Original Binding of Isaac
• Monster Train
• Boneraiser Minions
• Inscryption
• Luck to be a Landlord

B:

• Enter the Gungeon
• Nuclear Throne
• Loop Hero
• Rogue Legacy
• Vampire Survivors
• Ratropolis
• Ring of Pain
• Spirit Hunters: Infinite Horde
• 20 Minutes til Dawn
• Bio Prototype
• Right and Down

C:

• Dead Estate (could be bumped up to B if they fix the alternate levels, which is possible with upcoming expansions)
• Dungeons of Dredmor
• 20XX
• Downwell
• Neon Abyss
• ScourgeBringer
• Alina of the Arena

I always forget about Atomicrops, but that one's really nifty.

I still have to go back and finish Skelly's challenges

These are pretty good tier lists. I spent all day playing cult of the lamb.

I like my rougelikes to have heavily broken frame 1 room clear combos. cult of the lamb lacks that, but it's still really good anyway for being animal crossing except with an actual game.

So apparently cult of the lamb is the best game ever for 30 hours and then it totally drops off.

I see that. All the quality is condensed. It's not designed to be played forever. As far as style, I've never seen an art style I liked more in a video game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1952370/Oblivion_Override/

lamb is very good, i'm waiting for more dlc though

All these roguelikes and no one even mentioned Spelunky. It along with Issac practically invented the action rogue like genre, although Spelunky feels more fair and less RNG than most. Unfortunately the second Spelunky never captured the magic of the first, so the series faded to irrelevance

Spelunky is exceptional, but it's one that's so old and definitive I almost always assume everyone has played it by now

DragonClaw01 posted...

All these roguelikes and no one even mentioned Spelunky. It along with Issac practically invented the action rogue like genre, although Spelunky feels more fair and less RNG than most. Unfortunately the second Spelunky never captured the magic of the first, so the series faded to irrelevance

Spelunky makes me so angry.

Played with my brother and we would kill each other so much.

Played with myself and still found so many ways to die on my own.

Farthest I ever got was the jungle level.

Don't have any recommendations besides what's already been mentioned, but I just started playing Little Noah and like it so far.

If you like MindBenders there's both HydraSlayer and HyperRogue (same dev)

HydraSlayer is about killing all the hydras on a floor, but you have to do so via a mathematical formula... ya, you have to do abstract math to kill later hydras... you even get weapons that can do logarithmic damage later on

HyperRogue is a basic roguelike.... on a non-euclidian plane, which can get dizzying if you have poor spatial awareness. Just remember: All those circles you see are actually parallel lines!

Darkest Dungeon is dope

MeatiestMeatus posted...

Darkest Dungeon is dope

Its amazing, I just will never recognize it as a Roguelike since I played 54 hours between two campaigns and never once had to started over which is one of the most defining aspects of a RL.

Also plenty of people goob about Rouglikes all the time but the non-roguelike side of indies isnt praised enough

S:

• The Forest
• Hollow Knight
• Darkwood

A:

• The Long Dark
• Dungeon Warfare
• Oxygen not Included
• Frostpunk
• Valfaris
• Odallus: The Dark Call
• Banished
• Blood Fresh Supply
• Lone Survivor: The director's cut
• Cursed Castilla
• Superhot

B:

• Graveyard Keeper
• Darkest Dungeon
• A Hat in Time
• Fran Bow
• Bloodstained: RotN
• Cook, Serve Delicious
• Kingdom New lands
• Slime Rancher
• Hot Lava
• Bastion
• Magicka
• Salt and Sanctuary
• Shovel Knight
• Tormentum
• Hotline Miami
• Hero of the Kingdom 2
• Hyper Light Drifter
• Yoku's Island Express
• Papers Please
• They are Billions
• Darkest Dungeon

deoxxys posted...

Spelunky makes me so angry.

Played with my brother and we would kill each other so much.

Played with myself and still found so many ways to die on my own.

Farthest I ever got was the jungle level.

Yeah, Spelunky is a Rube Goldberg death machine. The crazy hit stun, knock back and bevy of pitfalls & spikes makes any potential hit the touch of death. I could only imagine multiplayer, sounds like a nightmare without good comms.

The Jungle is pretty difficult, thankfully the ice level after isn't too bad and hopefully by world 4 you are well stocked up, but, yeah, so many runs end up dying in that place. Certainly a massive difficulty spike there.

I literally never survived the Temple in Spelunky 2. If I didn't go to the water world after the boss, my run would be over guaranteed. I had an easier time surviving all the bullshit to get to Hundun than the Temple area

Of course, TUNIC is a 9/10 game

keyblader1985 posted...

Don't have any recommendations besides what's already been mentioned, but I just started playing Little Noah and like it so far.

just keep in mind that there isn't much of anything there

hope you didn't spend a lot on it either tbh

Lokarin posted...

Of course, TUNIC is a 9/10 game

this isn't a roguelike

but it is excellent.

What kinda gamefeel are you going for? Everyone enjoys the different elements of roguelikes/lites differently

So cult of the lamb suffers pretty hard from the "balanced roguelike" syndrome I dub and dread, where the range of RNG is a tight window that doesn't matter all too much, very few synergies, overprotective devs. They found themselves a comfortable and balanced game.

You never pick up a powerup that makes you go "holyyyyy shit", it's just a slight buff to your existing build, and frankly it doesn't really matter which cards you pick up, if any. Which, sorry if I overstep, completely defeats the purpose of a roguelike? Or should I be calling what I want an Isaaclike? Seems like Isaac is a lone gem of innovation and a lost art.

The roguelike aspect of that game is a bust for me, I pretty much look for any reason not to do a run because I enjoy the animal crossing aspect too much and would rather play that. I go and do the cool dice game.

Animal crossing aspect and polish are excellent, top tier. But with 2 games in one the roguelike aspect is lacking. It's brilliant but just short of a masterpiece.

it sounds like you want the wackier roguelikes, yeah, which is more dependent on overpowered gear moreso than skill

would be something like neon abyss, then.

lambs last update improved the combat aspect of it, but it's still very surface level admittedly. at launch it was really stilted.

Yellow posted...

You never pick up a powerup that makes you go "holyyyyy s***", it's just a slight buff to your existing build, and frankly it doesn't really matter which cards you pick up, if any. Which, sorry if I overstep, completely defeats the purpose of a roguelike? Or should I be calling what I want an Isaaclike? Seems like Isaac is a lone gem of innovation and a lost art.

Have you played Noita? I haven't tried it myself, but my understanding is that it very nicely captures the "if you get lucky and build yourself properly you can literally melt the planet" aspect you're talking about.

I also recommend giving brotato a shot if you enjoyed vampire survivors. It's also cheap.

Boneraiser Minions is currently satisfying any Vampire Survivors itches I may have, but I'll keep Brotato in mind.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

just keep in mind that there isn't much of anything there

hope you didn't spend a lot on it either tbh

That's fine; I wanted a light hack & slash so it fits nicely. I got the game + DLC for ten bucks.

adjl posted...

Boneraiser Minions is currently satisfying any Vampire Survivors itches I may have, but I'll keep Brotato in mind.

Both of these games are great

adjl posted...

I always forget about Atomicrops, but that one's really nifty.

I forgot to mention I played like 90 hours of this game and then in the last DLC completely revamped the farming system. But unlike the previous DLC update they did where they revamped the weapon system, quite a few people in the community agreed this change was unwelcome.

So I personally messaged one of the devs on Twitter and he actually added in a toggle feature for classic farming at my request, which you can only toggle in steams beta mode currently but it's there.

You've never played binding of Isaac? Shit's fun as fuck

This is a great topic that I've enjoyed making my way through and adding some games to my wish list. Thanks guys.

If I had to add a couple games that I've enjoyed they'd be:

Rogue Legacy 2 - Huge improvement on the first game
Gunfire Reborn - Not amazing, but a surprisingly fun FPS roguelite
RAD - I need to go back to this game. It was fun and colorful, but I drifted to something else because of straight up ADHD and I need to go back
Tape to Tape - strange mix of roguelite and arcade hockey that really scratches my hockey itch
Streets of Rogue - Ridiculous game that I need to keep experimenting with

i'm going to give moonlighter another chance

the complete edition is on psn for like three bucks, which is cheaper than just the dlc on xbox, where the game is on gamepass

so

whatever

I've had Hades on PS5 for months now and still haven't played it.

I recommend playing it. It's very good.