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gu-gohan
07/10/23 3:53:12 PM
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Finally. That's big news.

Turkey agrees to back Swedens NATO membership bid

Recep Tayyip Erdoan agrees to drop his resistance to Sweden joining the alliance.

VILNIUS Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoan on Monday agreed to drop his resistance to Sweden joining the NATO alliance and submit the ratification to the Turkish parliament as soon as possible, the alliances Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters.
Sweden will become a full member of the alliance, Stoltenberg said ahead of a summit of NATO leaders starting Tuesday.
He said Erdoan had given a clear commitment to move on Swedens accession.
https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-sweden-nato-jens-
stoltenberg-agrees-to-back-swedens-membership-bid/

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ROBANN_88
07/10/23 3:54:02 PM
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i honestly did not expect that at all

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chaos_knight
07/10/23 3:54:36 PM
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What kind of deal did we strike with Turkey for this to happen?

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Questionmarktarius
07/10/23 3:55:30 PM
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Kazakhstan next?
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Funkydog
07/10/23 3:55:55 PM
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Wonder what happened to change their mind.

Hopefully Sweden didn't give into their demands

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Kradek
07/10/23 4:00:03 PM
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Finally did the right thing.

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TomClark
07/10/23 4:01:19 PM
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I wonder whether NATO/Sweden caved to any of Erdogan's demands, or whether he had the pressure squeezed on him.

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MaxEffingBemis
07/10/23 4:11:45 PM
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Im a dummy when it comes to foreign affairs so why is it a big deal to join nato

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ROBANN_88
07/10/23 4:17:48 PM
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nah, i don't think them joining EU is actually on the table.
that was just something he blurted out to see how much he could squeeze out, but it's not gonna happen as long as Turkey is still a de facto dictatorship

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Tyranthraxus
07/10/23 4:19:57 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Kazakhstan next?

Kazakhstan borders China

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Takuya_Lee
07/10/23 4:21:29 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Im a dummy when it comes to foreign affairs so why is it a big deal to join nato

Article 5 protection.

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Tyranthraxus
07/10/23 4:22:38 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Im a dummy when it comes to foreign affairs so why is it a big deal to join nato

NATO is a military alliance where all members agree to send reinforcements if you're attacked.

Like, if Russia attacks Bulgaria, USA declares war on Russia.

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Irony
07/10/23 4:26:27 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Im a dummy when it comes to foreign affairs so why is it a big deal to join nato
Because if you're in NATO and somebody attacks you your buddies will kick that country's ass

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Kradek
07/10/23 4:27:21 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
nah, i don't think them joining EU is actually on the table.
that was just something he blurted out to see how much he could squeeze out, but it's not gonna happen as long as Turkey is still a de facto dictatorship

They've already offered and began negotiations because they qualify.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-meets-2-7-conditions-launch-eu-membership-talks-sources-2023-06-19/

A year ago the EU granted Ukraine formal candidate status.

Turkey has been providing Ukraine with cluster bombs to use against Russia, I don't know why you think they'd be stopping them from joining the EU.

Hungary is a more likely candidate with the fascist shithole government that wants to cozy up to Russia they've devolved into under Orban

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Trumble
07/10/23 4:27:53 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
NATO is a military alliance where all members agree to send reinforcements if you're attacked.

Like, if Russia attacks Bulgaria, USA declares war on Russia.
To elaborate on this: It only applies to defensive situations. So in the reverse case, if Bulgaria were to attack Russia, NATO would not be obliged to support the attack nor defend Bulgaria from retaliation.

This is a very important point that Russian propaganda often leaves out.

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Tyranthraxus
07/10/23 4:28:58 PM
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Zelenskyy also wanted to join the EU. I wonder how all this will work out when the war is over.

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CableZL
07/10/23 4:29:13 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Im a dummy when it comes to foreign affairs so why is it a big deal to join nato
More countries in Europe are concerned about Russia doing to them what they're doing to Ukraine.

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Tyranthraxus
07/10/23 4:29:54 PM
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Trumble posted...
To elaborate on this: It only applies to defensive situations. So in the reverse case, if Bulgaria were to attack Russia, NATO would not be obliged to support the attack nor defend Bulgaria from retaliation.

This is a very important point that Russian propaganda often leaves out.

Yes. Although collectively NATO can vote to mobilize an offense, it's not automatic the way the defense article is.

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name_unknown
07/10/23 4:31:32 PM
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Turkey also wanted US jets maybe they got those.
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Questionmarktarius
07/10/23 4:34:36 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Kazakhstan borders China
So... Mongolia and Bhutan, too.
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BurmesePenguin
07/10/23 4:39:13 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
So... Mongolia and Bhutan, too.
What happens in Bhutan? Like what do people do other than farm stuff and pray to the Buddha (I assume).

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Kaldrenthebold
07/10/23 4:39:41 PM
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Finally, fuck that guy

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Questionmarktarius
07/10/23 4:50:28 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
What happens in Bhutan? Like what do people do other than farm stuff and pray to the Buddha (I assume).
Draw dicks. Seriously, it's like a national pastime or something.
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Tyranthraxus
07/10/23 4:51:03 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Draw dicks. Seriously, it's like a national pastime or something.
Isn't that just one city?

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MaxEffingBemis
07/10/23 5:01:31 PM
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Irony posted...
Because if you're in NATO and somebody attacks you your buddies will kick that country's ass
That sounds awesome. Love having some ride-or-dies

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Unsuprised_Pika
07/10/23 5:02:01 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
What kind of deal did we strike with Turkey for this to happen?

Fighter jets probably.

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BalanceLost
07/10/23 5:03:57 PM
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Wow, Uffe, youre alive! Where have you and your Krazy Kristian Vice PM been hiding? Too busy drinking champagne in Sagerska palatset? But ofc you pop up for this. Guess you will go hide again once the summit is over?

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Foppe
07/10/23 5:35:03 PM
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Now we need to make a new political party that gives back journalists their freedom.

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Foppe
07/12/23 11:43:30 AM
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Big surprise...
Erdogan wont accept Sweden until after summer...
And they expect Sweden to get harder on "terrorists" during this time.
And killing our freedom of speech some more.

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Kradek
07/12/23 3:07:19 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
What kind of deal did we strike with Turkey for this to happen?

I'm hearing that they got the fighter jets they wanted, so it was likely cause of that.

I just hope it wasn't Sweden's government caving into Erdogan.

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Foppe
07/12/23 5:02:29 PM
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Kradek posted...
I'm hearing that they got the fighter jets they wanted, so it was likely cause of that.

I just hope it wasn't Sweden's government caving into Erdogan.
It is both.

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Kradek
07/12/23 11:26:26 PM
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Foppe posted...
It is both.

Based off?

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Foppe
07/13/23 4:05:35 AM
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Kradek posted...
Based off?
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you got too much freedom, decrease your freedom of the press!".
Sweden did. If Turkey decides to start a genocide, then it is now illegal for Swedish journalists to report it.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you are hosting Turkish journalists that have fled the country. They reported the truth so they are terrorists. Give them to us!".
Sweden suddenly rejected some Turkish citizens that had looked for asylum.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you love terrorists too much. Sign these contracts saying that we will start a unit together hunting down jour... I mean terrorists!".
Sweden did.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, we should be in EU, support us!".
Sweden did.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you still got freedoms that are not compatible with our Muslim views, make it illegal to burn our Holy Text!!!".
Sweden is suddenly thinking about it.

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Thompson
07/13/23 4:18:48 AM
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Foppe posted...
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you got too much freedom, decrease your freedom of the press!".
Sweden did. If Turkey decides to start a genocide, then it is now illegal for Swedish journalists to report it.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you are hosting Turkish journalists that have fled the country. They reported the truth so they are terrorists. Give them to us!".
Sweden suddenly rejected some Turkish citizens that had looked for asylum.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you love terrorists too much. Sign these contracts saying that we will start a unit together hunting down jour... I mean terrorists!".
Sweden did.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, we should be in EU, support us!".
Sweden did.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you still got freedoms that are not compatible with our Muslim views, make it illegal to burn our Holy Text!!!".
Sweden is suddenly thinking about it.
Up next, Erdogan wants... a shrubbery!

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Foppe
07/13/23 4:35:09 AM
#37:


Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you banned your weapon export to us just because we invaded Syria, remove the ban!"
Sweden did.

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Karovorak
07/13/23 4:36:37 AM
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Foppe posted...
Big surprise...
Erdogan wont accept Sweden until after summer...
And they expect Sweden to get harder on "terrorists" during this time.
And killing our freedom of speech some more.

October.

Erdogan already said it won't happen before october...
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Avirosb
07/13/23 4:38:09 AM
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Erdogan will be Erdogan, though you never saw the Swedes care this much about their own safety and security during Covid.
Sincerely, a Norwegian :V


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Aloc
07/13/23 4:40:32 AM
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Avirosb posted...
Erdogan will be Erdogan, though you never saw the Swedes care this much about their own safety and security during Covid.
Sincerely, a Norwegian :V

Sweden is right wing lol

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scar_the_1
07/13/23 4:46:19 AM
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Avirosb posted...
Erdogan will be Erdogan, though you never saw the Swedes care this much about their own safety and security during Covid.
Sincerely, a Norwegian :V
This isn't about Sweden's safety. It's about Swedish military exports

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Karovorak
07/13/23 5:30:03 AM
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Aloc posted...
Sweden is right wing lol

Even if you can say that the current government of Sweden is right wing, they were not even in office a year ago.
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Aloc
07/13/23 5:32:15 AM
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Karovorak posted...
Even if you can say that the current government of Sweden is right wing, they were not even in office a year ago.
Covid denialism is as right wing as it gets.

"Fuck them! I don't wanna wear a mask."

One out of like 300 Americans died of Covid.

What a waste.

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Foppe
07/13/23 5:36:12 AM
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Imagine if one of 300 Swedes died of Covid.

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Avirosb
07/13/23 6:02:36 AM
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I ain't about to hand it to right-wing governments but I will give them this.
Barring a few exceptions (*cough* Orban) they seem relatively aware that two things
just aren't cool to voice support for anymore; words ending in -xit and Russia.

Unlike those LARPing lefties who made hating the US their sole identity.
The US rightly deserve some heat but supporting a sovereign nation attacked by Russia ain't it.

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Karovorak
07/13/23 6:28:06 AM
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Avirosb posted...
I ain't about to hand it to right-wing governments but I will give them this.
Barring a few exceptions (*cough* Orban) they seem relatively aware that two things
just aren't cool to voice support for anymore; words ending in -xit and Russia.

Unlike those LARPing lefties who made hating the US their sole identity.
The US rightly deserve some heat but supporting a sovereign nation attacked by Russia ain't it.

That's because it has nothing to do with right wing or not, only about what they see as the enemy.

Some see Russia as the enemy, some NATO or the US, some of them are left, some of them are right.

We have many left winged Russia shills in EU too, just as we have too many right winged Russia shills.

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Avirosb
07/13/23 6:29:57 AM
#47:


Karovorak posted...
You don't notice them in the US, because the left wing of the US is... well, not that left.
I meant those playing at being lefties, not lefties live-action roleplaying.

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scar_the_1
07/13/23 7:57:03 AM
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Karovorak posted...
Even if you can say that the current government of Sweden is right wing, they were not even in office a year ago.
Yeah, the socdems are ostensibly left-wing, except they had two liberal parties controlling them for right years, and they themselves have been driving more and more to the right as well. Their top level consists of the same type of people as establishment right wing parties, i.e., career politicians who yo yo back and forth between lobbying and politics. The party leadership is filled with grsossar who would rather implement or maintain liberal privatizations than implement actual left wing policies.

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Kradek
07/13/23 5:15:44 PM
#49:


Foppe posted...
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you got too much freedom, decrease your freedom of the press!".
Sweden did. If Turkey decides to start a genocide, then it is now illegal for Swedish journalists to report it.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you are hosting Turkish journalists that have fled the country. They reported the truth so they are terrorists. Give them to us!".
Sweden suddenly rejected some Turkish citizens that had looked for asylum.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you love terrorists too much. Sign these contracts saying that we will start a unit together hunting down jour... I mean terrorists!".
Sweden did.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, we should be in EU, support us!".
Sweden did.
Erdogan said "Fuck you Sweden, you still got freedoms that are not compatible with our Muslim views, make it illegal to burn our Holy Text!!!".
Sweden is suddenly thinking about it.

Oh, I thought perhaps you had some sort of proof or evidence that they caved on the specific thing Erdogan is demanding that was preventing them from joining, which would be far worse than disallowing the burning of the Quran.

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Avirosb
07/13/23 5:21:30 PM
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It's not really Erdogan's holy text. More like pretext.
Turkey is supposed to be a secular state.

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