Current Events > I hate software engineering. I hate the way that software engineers think.

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I hate the way that they speak. I hate the way that they approach problems. I hate their tools. I hate their methodologies.

I am a systems administrator through and through. I may program but I hate it. I do just what I need to get the job done. Absolutely hate coding.

Just wait a few years and everything will be AI-based programming

for software engineers it's the opposite, we love sysadmins (and devops) because they do the dirty unsexy work

How do I find out if someone is a software engineer

Ratchetrockon posted...

How do I find out if someone is a software engineer

u gotta pee on a stick

Being a software engineer I do get frustrated with a lot of us. My favorite kind of coders to work with usually have a background in mechanical engineering because theyre way more pragmatic and not as up their own asses with framework and syntax obsessions.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

Being a software engineer I do get frustrated with a lot of us. My favorite kind of coders to work with usually have a background in mechanical engineering because theyre way more pragmatic and not as up their own asses with framework and syntax obsessions.

Yeah. Also software engineers are people too and there are a lot dumb as hell people...

A sysadmin that hates to script. You're going to be very limited in your career if you don't get over that hate. Infrastructure as code is the direction a lot of companies are moving towards. I'm currently working to get more experience deploying AWS Cloudformation templates using YAML files.

BlazinBlue88 posted...

A sysadmin that hates to script. You're going to be very limited in your career if you don't get over that hate. Infrastructure as code is the direction a lot of companies are moving towards. I'm currently working to get more experience deploying AWS Cloudformation templates using YAML files.

I hate this trend. Everyone expects you to be fluent in Go or Python. And expect you to know kubernetes or docker despite never using them in your work.

And the lack of Linux GUIs in enterprise environments is infuriating.

Starks posted...

And the lack of Linux GUIs in enterprise environments is infuriating.

Linux guys don't like using a GUI anyway so why not keep it all CLI which saves money and resources?

BlazinBlue88 posted...

A sysadmin that hates to script. You're going to be very limited in your career if you don't get over that hate. Infrastructure as code is the direction a lot of companies are moving towards. I'm currently working to get more experience deploying AWS Cloudformation templates using YAML files.

None of those things you describe are scripting, they're bureaucracy disguised as programming

Wtf does that even mean? Lmao. All software engineers definitely do not think the same. You got some complex going on.

flussence posted...

None of those things you describe are scripting, they're bureaucracy disguised as programming

Scripting and coding are two different things. Not sure what you're going on about. A Cloud formation template is literally a script to build something in AWS.

YAML files aren't code or script and I fucking hate working with them for kubernetes (speaking as a software "engineer") because there are too many parameters that I don't care to memorize.

BlazinBlue88 posted...

Linux guys don't like using a GUI anyway so why not keep it all CLI which saves money and resources?

So I can multitask and actually have fully featured text editors?

Starks posted...

So I can multitask and actually have fully featured text editors?

it's easier to multitask without a terminal multiplexer

Starks posted...

So I can multitask and actually have fully featured text editors?

I was referring to CLI only Linux based servers, not your laptop. SSH into the servers from your laptop with whatever text editor you'd like.

A sysadmin is just HR for IT. Your job is to make it difficult for people to do their jobs and then constantly bitch about it while acting like having the ability to give and rescind account permissions gives you some kind of power.

BlazinBlue88 posted...

I was referring to CLI only Linux based servers, not your laptop. SSH into the servers from your laptop with whatever text editor you'd like.

I explicitly don't want to SSH or use any kind of boks middleman. I want a desktop environment. If companies aren't brave enough to do windows core and still insist on guis for windows, the same should apply for Linux.

I like our software guys. And I like Linux CLIs.

Starks posted...

If companies aren't brave enough to do windows core and still insist on guis for windows, the same should apply for Linux.

Can't disagree there. I don't agree that should be a reason for Linux GUI. There needs to be a shift away from GUI on Windows servers as well. The point and click Windows admin needs to adapt.

I'm a software engineer and I take offense. A senior software engineer, even.

How can we get your vision to align with the companies goals overall, such that the synergy of departments can yield high ROI and help us cross the finish line?

(I'm moving into management)

If it's not C++/C#, is it even REALLY "coding"?

BlazinBlue88 posted...

Can't disagree there. I don't agree that should be a reason for Linux GUI. There needs to be a shift away from GUI on Windows servers as well. The point and click Windows admin needs to adapt.

Kind of hard when you support legacy apps that aren't containerized or fully CLI-able.

"Infrastructure as code is the future! we need to innovate!"

*uses YAML files*

TheMikh posted...

it's easier to multitask without a terminal multiplexer

*with

my mistake

Starks posted...

Kind of hard when you support legacy apps that aren't containerized or fully CLI-able.

Clearly not referring to legacy apps. There isn't much you can do with them until someone finally decides to decom them. I'm talking any new deployments. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.

What does a software engineer do? What do you hate about software engineering?

I can't wait tell I can have a AI assist me in making a video game.

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I dont want to think like this.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/6/AACH0nAAEqPw.jpg

Think like what? Those are just basic SE tips. Like, it's the equivalent of woodworkers writing tips like "make sure to use a hammer if you wanna hit nails".

yea i was expecting some anti-work horror show and it's just reasonable tips?

I dunno its just that all of the LinkedIn posts drive me up the wall

TC mad that he can't solve easy leetcodes. many such cases

BlingBling22947 posted...

I dunno its just that all of the LinkedIn posts drive me up the wall

Yeah but that's LinkedIn people you're having an issue with, not SE people

I only ever write short scripts. My longest script is like 130 lines long.

i just dont understand shit like pointers, operator overloads, big O, etc. and I can never remember what commands I actually want, unless its something Ive used 500 times before. So I end up googling just about everything

and if its web dev, I dont understand why they need to move from one flavour of the month library to the next constantly. I learned plain JavaScript, MySQL and php in uni. There was a phase where devs hated php or some shit, whatever. Ruby came and went. Wtf even is Vue?

i hated powershell when I started using it cause it was so different. But after using it for so long I dont think I want to move back to a traditional language. Not for sysadmin work.

maybe one day I will desire a career change and want to do actual programming and not just small sysadmin programming here and there. But I feel like I dont have the mindset at the moment. Some devs can just bang shit out, I have to sit there and think and Google

scar_the_1 posted...

Yeah but that's LinkedIn people you're having an issue with, not SE people

Ugh!!!