Poll of the Day > This Sound of Freedom crap is hilarious.

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But no, she definitely made a well-reasoned decision and there's zero chance he exploited her uncertainty regarding the future. After all, she asked her friend about it.

I just made the sound of freedom a few minutes ago after dinner

OhhhJa posted...

I just made the sound of freedom a few minutes ago after dinner

try that in a small town >:(!!!

The cry of a red-tailed hawk

ReturnOfFa posted...

bitch I'll litigate the friendship of a 14 year old with a 30 year old

tap out idiot

How? Friendships aren't illegal.

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Revelation34 posted...

How? Friendships aren't illegal.

This shouldn't be a conversation. I am 32. I am not friends with teens, and any person in their 30s with a propenency for befriending teens should be watched. You can be a friendly figure in their life, absolutely, but there is a massive power imbalance. A guy my age that wants to befriend teens? Very suspicious. A guidance counselor is not supposed to befriend their clients because there is a massive power imbalance and the child is vulnerable.

I'll probably delete this shit if you push back much more too, this is fucking gross.

Ever worked at McDonalds or a local place where there are managers in their 20s/30s trying to hang out with the teenagers and be their friends? It's creepy as fuck. Go get some help if you're a grown person trying to befriend kids. You can be friendly and supportive of young people without taking them out to Dairy Queen and trying to be their 'friend'.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Ever worked at McDonalds or a local place where there are managers in their 20s/30s trying to hang out with the teenagers and be their friends? It's creepy as fuck. Go get some help if you're a grown person trying to befriend kids. You can be friendly and supportive of young people without taking them out to Dairy Queen and trying to be their 'friend'.

That's a really weird hangup. 21 and 19? Lol, sooooo different. Essentially a different species.

Some of you guys need to lay off the Facebook/Twitter, not everyone is out to get children. Bad for the mental health tbh. Wonder if you feel the same about a 50 year old and a 30 year old being friends

LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...

That's a really weird hangup. 21 and 19? Lol, sooooo different. Essentially a different species.

Ah yes. Specifically choose the lowest possible value for "20s/30s" and the highest possible value for "teenager" to pretend you didn't understand the point being made. A brilliant strategy.

LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...

Wonder if you feel the same about a 50 year old and a 30 year old being friends

That met as adults? Whatever. That met when the 30-year-old was a minor, found common interests, and that resulted in a friendship that continued into adulthood? I'd be a little leery of the 35-year-old wanting to hang out with a 15-year-old, especially if they met in a context where the kid's parents weren't involved at all (not that friends of parents can't abuse their children, but parental involvement at least helps to mitigate the risk) and/or whatever activities they did together didn't allow for third-party supervision, but with appropriate scrutiny that can be okay, especially where you've presented it as them being friends 15 years later with no reason to suspect anything more sinister happened.

Of course, that example has absolutely nothing to do with marrying said friend as soon as they graduated high school. Using an example where the potential harm obviously didn't occur to discredit an example where the potential harm could have occurred doesn't exactly work. Those simply aren't analogous.

adjl posted...

Ah yes. Specifically choose the lowest possible value for "20s/30s" and the highest possible value for "teenager" to pretend you didn't understand the point being made. A brilliant strategy.

17 and 24 really aren't very different either, that's potentially the same generation in fact. Acting like people reform entirely every 5 years or whatever is weird, I wonder if people who act like that's the case actually talk to young people. I know the average gfaqs user is like 40 so probably not, lol

adjl posted...

especially where you've presented it as them being friends 15 years later with no reason to suspect anything more sinister happened.

Of course, that example has absolutely nothing to do with marrying said friend as soon as they graduated high school.

Well it kinda does since there's no reason to suspect anything sinister happened during this woman's marriage, either. She seems to have made out great.

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Not an argument

LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...

17 and 24 really aren't very different either, that's potentially the same generation in fact.

You mean to tell me that if you - as a ~24-year-old - were expecting to hang out with a bunch of friends of similar ages and one of them brought along their 17-year-old coworker, you wouldn't find that odd or off-putting?

This is, of course, saying nothing about the fact that you've still just picked the most extreme values you think you'll be able to get away with without being accused of deliberately picking the most extreme values possible. "20s/30s" generally implies late 20s/early 30s, not early-mid 20s.

LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...

Acting like people reform entirely every 5 years or whatever is weird,

Every 5 years? Of course not. That 5 years? Yeah, they kind of do. The difference between being a high school student and being out of high school for even just a year or two is massive in terms of overall maturity and understanding of what it means to live as an adult. As has been said, that's not to say that an adult can't have a friendly relationship with a high school student, but to be close friends or especially "best friends" is pretty odd, given how little they have in common in terms of fundamental day-to-day experience.

LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...

I wonder if people who act like that's the case actually talk to young people.

Well, I did a two-year community college program from 29-31 in which I was mostly surrounded by 18-23-year-olds when the program started (at least the domestic students, the international ones were more around my age). I still made friends among them, but the age and maturity gap was very apparent at times with the younger ones, even despite the fact that I was relatively stunted from having mostly wasted my 20's and matured very little since finishing my undergrad. I also watched that change going into the second year, after the younger ones had the experience of being out on their own and working for a living. And that was people who had graduated high school, which are generally significantly more mature than those that haven't.

LELuMADuRUSTLED posted...

Well it kinda does since there's no reason to suspect anything sinister happened during this woman's marriage, either.

When I say "something sinister," I mean "the adult befriended the child because they were attracted to them." He married her as soon as it was legal. That strongly suggests that he befriended her because he was attracted to her.

Again, maybe that's not the case. Maybe it's more legitimate than that. But at face value, this looks like dude groomed his wife while she was a student in his care, and there's been no evidence presented to suggest that that's not the case.

how odd that we were discussing a particular case and now some clown is moving the goalposts around to different ages to validate it.

ReturnOfFa posted...

This shouldn't be a conversation. I am 32. I am not friends with teens, and any person in their 30s with a propenency for befriending teens should be watched. You can be a friendly figure in their life, absolutely, but there is a massive power imbalance. A guy my age that wants to befriend teens? Very suspicious. A guidance counselor is not supposed to befriend their clients because there is a massive power imbalance and the child is vulnerable.

I'll probably delete this shit if you push back much more too, this is fucking gross.

You said "litigate". It's fine if you don't know what that word means.

Revelation34 posted...

You said "litigate". It's fine if you don't know what that word means.

Bold of you, of all people, to accuse other people of not knowing what something means

Revelation34 posted...

You said "litigate". It's fine if you don't know what that word means.

there will definitely be litigation involved if a hypothetical child of mine is becoming unnecessarily close with a guidance counselor. try to discontinue the silly use of suggesting that other adults don't know what the words they're using mean

ReturnOfFa posted...

there will definitely be litigation involved if a hypothetical child of mine is becoming unnecessarily close with a guidance counselor. try to discontinue the silly use of suggesting that other adults don't know what the words they're using mean

You can't litigate something that's not illegal.

Revelation34 posted...

You can't litigate something that's not illegal.

I don't think you understand how contracts in the education system work. Or at least in public schools - Private or Christian are a whole different story.

A guidance counselor...befriending a child...and then marrying her when she comes of age......is.....fucking.....grooming................

and anyone trying to nitpick aspects of it as 'not so bad' are pretty goddamn gross

ReturnOfFa posted...

I don't think you understand how contracts in the education system work. Or at least in public schools - Private or Christian are a whole different story.

A guidance counselor...befriending a child...and then marrying her when she comes of age......is.....fucking.....grooming................

and anyone trying to nitpick aspects of it as 'not so bad' are pretty goddamn gross

Nobody said anything about marriage or a sexual relationship in this quote chain. You said friendship.

Revelation34 posted...

Nobody said anything about marriage or a sexual relationship in this quote chain. You said friendship.

Yeah I'm a little upset when I see a 30 year old trying to 'just be friends' with 14 year olds personally.

Also, just read the topic. The grooming defender is the one moving around the goalposts with every statement me makes.

"A 30-year-old making friends with 14-year-olds is creepy"
"I don't know why you have a problem with 21-year-olds making friends with 19-year-olds"

It's like disingenuity 101.

adjl posted...

"A 30-year-old making friends with 14-year-olds is creepy"
"I don't know why you have a problem with 21-year-olds making friends with 19-year-olds"

It's like disingenuity 101.

Precisely.

adjl posted...

You mean to tell me that if you - as a ~24-year-old - were expecting to hang out with a bunch of friends of similar ages and one of them brought along their 17-year-old coworker, you wouldn't find that odd or off-putting?

This is tautological, you say outright in your hypothetical I'm expecting a certain number of similar-aged friends. Of course I'd find it odd if one extra guy showed up, you said I wasn't expecting it, lol.

adjl posted...

This is, of course, saying nothing about the fact that you've still just picked the most extreme values you think you'll be able to get away with without being accused of deliberately picking the most extreme values possible.

You won't be satisfied until I say 13 and 39 because you wanted this to be easier. You also undermine yourself here in the next bit by saying 1 year is massive anyway, so why the nitpicking? Because, of course, you aren't engaging honestly and want to make your setup as extreme as possible.

adjl posted...

As has been said, that's not to say that an adult can't have a friendly relationship with a high school student, but to be close friends or especially "best friends" is pretty odd, given how little they have in common in terms of fundamental day-to-day experience.

I've yet to hear a good argument for why dissimilar people aren't allowed to be friends, especially when it's such a trivial thing as knowing how to pay bills or whatever you think is so fundamental to being an adult.

adjl posted...

Well, I did a two-year community college program from 29-31 in which I was mostly surrounded by 18-23-year-olds when the program started (at least the domestic students, the international ones were more around my age). I still made friends among them,

So you're literally a creep by your own standard. Why is it literally always projection?

adjl posted...

Again, maybe that's not the case. Maybe it's more legitimate than that. But at face value, this looks like dude groomed his wife while she was a student in his care, and there's been no evidence presented to suggest that that's not the case.

Thankfully the burden of evidence doesn't work that way. People are presumed innocent until proven guilty, both in court and in (civilized) society.

adjl posted...

"A 30-year-old making friends with 14-year-olds is creepy"
"I don't know why you have a problem with 21-year-olds making friends with 19-year-olds"

It's like disingenuity 101.

The guy I was replying to was talking about MacDonalds employees, which will generally never be under 16. Calls me disingenuous and then straight up lies about what I was talking about, lol. More projection.

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