Poll of the Day > could you imagine how amazing america would be with a proper train system

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sodium-chloride 07/19/23 10:52:03 AM #1:	like why is this not a priority? I just came back from Japan and my mind was blown how easy it is to get from literally one completely different part of the country to another. Seamless, easy, clean, comfortable, fast. It is expensive but it's cheaper than a plane ticket and you don't have to deal with security and boarding. looked up how long it would take to get from Dallas to Chicago by Amtrak. 22 hours. TWENTY TWO HOURS to go 1000 miles. That same distance in Japan could be covered in 8 hrs by the bullet train. Dallas to Houston? 19 HOURS to go about 300 miles. WHAT THE FUCK. For context, driving from Dallas to Houston is about 4 hours, and that's if you don't have to deal with a lot of traffic. It's insane how much upside there is to fast federally supported public transport, and yet it's just not a thing here. And it's sad that it won't ever be a thing because of this country's insane reliance on cars and planes. This country could be so much better if people could just broaden their viewpoints about "what a society should be" and not be so fucking stuck in the past. I have been a car person my entire life and I don't regret owning a car. But it would be fucking amazing to be able to live my life without having to rely on a car. <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:974934447] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>like why is this not a priority? I just came back from Japan and my mind was blown how easy it is to get from literally one completely different part of the country to another. Seamless, easy, clean, comfortable, fast. It is expensive but it's cheaper than a plane ticket and you don't have to deal with security and boarding. looked up how long it would take to get from Dallas to Chicago by Amtrak. 22 hours. TWENTY TWO HOURS to go 1000 miles. That same distance in Japan could be covered in 8 hrs by the bullet train. Dallas to Houston? 19 HOURS to go about 300 miles. WHAT THE FUCK. For context, driving from Dallas to Houston is about 4 hours, and that's if you don't have to deal with a lot of traffic. It's insane how much upside there is to fast federally supported public transport, and yet it's just not a thing here. And it's sad that it won't ever be a thing because of this country's insane reliance on cars and planes. This country could be so much better if people could just broaden their viewpoints about "what a society should be" and not be so fucking stuck in the past. I have been a car person my entire life and I don't regret owning a car. But it would be fucking amazing to be able to live my life without having to rely on a car. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 07/19/23 10:54:33 AM #2:	Weeeeeb <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:974934483] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Weeeeeb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 07/19/23 10:55:24 AM #3:	I wish we had high speed train transport so badly. I love traveling by train and there is so much to see in this country. It's really stupid how segmented and inaccessible we've made travel. Some people live here 80 years and don't have the ability to leave their immediate area. I have a feeling it has to do with lobbying against more means of public transportation or any type of high speed transportation that isn't specifically linked to air travel corporations. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:974934493] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>I wish we had high speed train transport so badly. I love traveling by train and there is so much to see in this country. It's really stupid how segmented and inaccessible we've made travel. Some people live here 80 years and don't have the ability to leave their immediate area.I have a feeling it has to do with lobbying against more means of public transportation or any type of high speed transportation that isn't specifically linked to air travel corporations. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
potdnewb 07/19/23 10:55:34 AM #4:	so your josh https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/80500254 <cite>potdnewb posted [p:974934496] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>so your joshhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/80500254</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChronoXGP 07/19/23 11:03:23 AM #5:	over 50% of the country is from another country with no way to access them by train --- The cognizant and folly, the mirror and being. <cite>ChronoXGP posted [p:974934637] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>over 50% of the country is from another country with no way to access them by train</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 07/19/23 11:04:58 AM #6:	ChronoXGP posted... over 50% of the country is from another country with no way to access them by train What? <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:974934669] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>ChronoXGP posted... </cite><quote>over 50% of the country is from another country with no way to access them by train</quote>What? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/19/23 11:20:32 AM #7:	Yeah but 'murica, everyone needs a giant ass gas guzzling truck and and to live in low density suburbs, smart infrastructure choices are for the weak. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:974934967] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Yeah but 'murica, everyone needs a giant ass gas guzzling truck and and to live in low density suburbs, smart infrastructure choices are for the weak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SinisterSlay 07/19/23 11:31:49 AM #8:	It would be pretty hard to fix it by now. Public transportation was never a priority, and trains never kept up, so people don't even consider them anymore. --- He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who... sticks out in darkness... is... fluorescent! - Brother Silence Lose 50 experience <cite>SinisterSlay posted [p:974935181] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>It would be pretty hard to fix it by now. Public transportation was never a priority, and trains never kept up, so people don't even consider them anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dikitain 07/19/23 11:37:57 AM #10:	I would rather our current rail system not kill tons of people first before wanting that. But truth be told, the point of no return was when the Interstate Highway System was created some 70 years ago. At that point, we committed to individual/family transportation over public transportation. --- My bookshelf: https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/152760030 Comics: https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/dikitain <cite>Dikitain posted [p:974935327] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>I would rather our current rail system not kill tons of people first before wanting that. But truth be told, the point of no return was when the Interstate Highway System was created some 70 years ago. At that point, we committed to individual/family transportation over public transportation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
potdnewb 07/19/23 11:48:23 AM #11:	Dikitain posted... I would rather our current rail system not kill tons of people first before wanting that. But truth be told, the point of no return was when the Interstate Highway System was created some 70 years ago. At that point, we committed to individual/family transportation over public transportation. for most of the country building a rail system along side the interstate highway system wouldnt be too difficult except for lobbyist <cite>potdnewb posted [p:974935557] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Dikitain posted... </cite><quote>I would rather our current rail system not kill tons of people first before wanting that. But truth be told, the point of no return was when the Interstate Highway System was created some 70 years ago. At that point, we committed to individual/family transportation over public transportation.</quote>for most of the country building a rail system along side the interstate highway system wouldnt be too difficult except for lobbyist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 07/19/23 12:58:24 PM #12:	No matter how good public transportation gets it'll still never be as good as cars. I guess unless you just have ubers/taxis/whatever just circling every street waiting for you to exit your home and pick you up in less than a minute but that'll never happen because it's a bigger waste of resources than cars. You are still stuck waiting on someone else's schedule and have to wait twice as long if not longer then just getting in your own car and just going. I guess it would be nice to get the streets cleared up but that requires a bunch of people to fuck themselves over. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:974937019] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>No matter how good public transportation gets it'll still never be as good as cars. I guess unless you just have ubers/taxis/whatever just circling every street waiting for you to exit your home and pick you up in less than a minute but that'll never happen because it's a bigger waste of resources than cars. You are still stuck waiting on someone else's schedule and have to wait twice as long if not longer then just getting in your own car and just going. I guess it would be nice to get the streets cleared up but that requires a bunch of people to fuck themselves over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 07/19/23 1:27:03 PM #13:	I would like to travel by train solely because driving long distance FUCKING SUCKS --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:974937593] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>I would like to travel by train solely because driving long distance FUCKING SUCKS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/19/23 2:15:27 PM #14:	sodium-chloride posted... like why is this not a priority? Because GM and the oil industry bought the country in the 60's and convinced the government to bulldoze half of it to make way for a road network that spaced everything too far apart to make any option other than driving work. Decades of propaganda, adjustment to cars as the status quo, and lobbying against other modes of transportation from billionaires dependent on the dominance of the oil and gas industry have kept it that way, such that many people can't even imagine how much better infrastructure that isn't designed for cars at the expense of everything else could be (the classic being "I need a car to be independent" because they grew up in a car-dependent suburb and therefore couldn't go anywhere without their parents until they got their own car). Exhibit A: Muscles posted... No matter how good public transportation gets it'll still never be as good as cars. It can be good enough, and that's all anyone really needs. It also very much can be as good as or better than cars if you're looking at high-speed rail options and not just limiting yourself to the gimped "occasional bus that gets stuck in the same traffic as cars" model that comprises the entirety of so many Americans' understanding of transit. Properly designed, transit does move faster than cars, especially when traffic is heavy. Everyone's always fond of bringing up the "what if I need to travel many miles between remote locations?" angle as being a reason transit can't work for them, but the reality of the matter is that the vast, vast majority of car trips are short and/or have at least one end in a relatively high-traffic area. Buses showing up every half hour and sharing the road with car traffic aren't going to cut it for that, but a streetcar showing up every 15 minutes can be. A park-and-ride train station with a train showing up every ten minutes can be. And the handful of trips that do actually require travelling between remote locations? Nobody's saying you can't have a car for those if you find it worthwhile, or you can use a car sharing service (which thrive when enough other alternatives to cars exist that people only want cars for these occasional trips) if you don't want to pay thousands for a car you rarely use. This isn't about eliminating cars altogether. It's about designing cities without the expectation that everyone will drive as the default, which in turn is about giving people the freedom to choose how they get around. Dikitain posted... I would rather our current rail system not kill tons of people first before wanting that. It's not like the roads are exactly safe. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:974938579] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>sodium-chloride posted... </cite><quote>like why is this not a priority?</quote>Because GM and the oil industry bought the country in the 60's and convinced the government to bulldoze half of it to make way for a road network that spaced everything too far apart to make any option other than driving work. Decades of propaganda, adjustment to cars as the status quo, and lobbying against other modes of transportation from billionaires dependent on the dominance of the oil and gas industry have kept it that way, such that many people can't even imagine how much better infrastructure that isn't designed for cars at the expense of everything else could be (the classic being "I need a car to be independent" because they grew up in a car-dependent suburb and therefore couldn't go anywhere without their parents until they got their own car).Exhibit A:Muscles posted... </cite><quote>No matter how good public transportation gets it'll still never be as good as cars.</quote>It can be good enough, and that's all anyone really needs. It also very much can be as good as or better than cars if you're looking at high-speed rail options and not just limiting yourself to the gimped "occasional bus that gets stuck in the same traffic as cars" model that comprises the entirety of so many Americans' understanding of transit. Properly designed, transit does move faster than cars, especially when traffic is heavy.Everyone's always fond of bringing up the "what if I need to travel many miles between remote locations?" angle as being a reason transit can't work for them, but the reality of the matter is that the vast, vast majority of car trips are short and/or have at least one end in a relatively high-traffic area. Buses showing up every half hour and sharing the road with car traffic aren't going to cut it for that, but a streetcar showing up every 15 minutes can be. A park-and-ride train station with a train showing up every ten minutes can be. And the handful of trips that do actually require travelling between remote locations? Nobody's saying you can't have a car for those if you find it worthwhile, or you can use a car sharing service (which thrive when enough other alternatives to cars exist that people only want cars for these occasional trips) if you don't want to pay thousands for a car you rarely use. This isn't about eliminating cars altogether. It's about designing cities without the expectation that everyone will drive as the default, which in turn is about giving people the freedom to choose how they get around.Dikitain posted... </cite><quote>I would rather our current rail system not kill tons of people first before wanting that.</quote>It's not like the roads are exactly safe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathMagnetic80 07/19/23 2:55:09 PM #15:	While I wish we had that, the US is a massive country and the cost to build a high speed rail system would be pretty astronomical <cite>DeathMagnetic80 posted [p:974939387] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>While I wish we had that, the US is a massive country and the cost to build a high speed rail system would be pretty astronomical </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IqarP15 07/19/23 3:21:44 PM #16:	If it was Blaine the Pain or Charlie the Choo-Choo I'll skip it. --- "SPOILERS"... If ppl call me a douche bag I reply "Well at least I'm scoring!" <cite>IqarP15 posted [p:974939951] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>If it was Blaine the Pain or Charlie the Choo-Choo I'll skip it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 07/19/23 3:30:25 PM #17:	adjl posted... It's not like the roads are exactly safe. Only because it is used more, which is kind of my point. As crappy as it is to travel by air, it is also extremely safe due to all the safety regulations in place. Rail needs to have those same regulations before it is going to be a viable option, but it is also going to raise the cost astronomically. Which isn't going to be good for an industry where they are already struggling to get people to use it. --- My bookshelf: https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/152760030 Comics: https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/dikitain <cite>Dikitain posted [p:974940130] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite><quote>It's not like the roads are exactly safe.</quote>Only because it is used more, which is kind of my point. As crappy as it is to travel by air, it is also extremely safe due to all the safety regulations in place. Rail needs to have those same regulations before it is going to be a viable option, but it is also going to raise the cost astronomically. Which isn't going to be good for an industry where they are already struggling to get people to use it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 07/19/23 3:33:24 PM #18:	They were gonna build a 2 hour high speed train from Vegas to LA but Elon killed it --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:974940196] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>They were gonna build a 2 hour high speed train from Vegas to LA but Elon killed it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/19/23 4:00:58 PM #19:	DeathMagnetic80 posted... While I wish we had that, the US is a massive country and the cost to build a high speed rail system would be pretty astronomical You don't need a system that spans the entire country and connects every possible destination all at once. Adding high-speed rail alternatives to existing high-traffic routes has the potential to dramatically reduce that road traffic and the associated costs (which are much, much higher than most people realize even before trying to attach a price tag to externalities like deaths and pollution), at a cost that's much more manageable than trying to do everything at the same time. That should be part of a long-term plan for a larger-scale network, of course, since trying to connect multiple segments into a larger network without that planning is a nightmare (which I am of course an authority on because I've played Factorio), but investing in one route at a time will still yield significant benefits. Dikitain posted... Only because it is used more, which is kind of my point. As crappy as it is to travel by air, it is also extremely safe due to all the safety regulations in place. Rail needs to have those same regulations before it is going to be a viable option, but it is also going to raise the cost astronomically. Which isn't going to be good for an industry where they are already struggling to get people to use it. The thing is that rail is only as unsafe as it is because it struggles so much to stay afloat, and it struggles to stay afloat because subsidies are overwhelmingly directed toward roads, the service provided is objectively worse than driving in almost every way (meaning very few people choose to travel by rail), and because parties interested in keeping cars dominant lobby against efforts to improve it. With a commitment to making it a viable alternative to driving and a suitably-sized locomotive shoved up the ass of the remaining Koch brother the next time he shows up with a cheque, those safety concerns won't be hard to manage at all. After all, pretty much every other developed country in the world has managed to pull it off (except Canada, for many of the same reasons). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:974940752] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>DeathMagnetic80 posted... </cite><quote>While I wish we had that, the US is a massive country and the cost to build a high speed rail system would be pretty astronomical</quote>You don't need a system that spans the entire country and connects every possible destination all at once. Adding high-speed rail alternatives to existing high-traffic routes has the potential to dramatically reduce that road traffic and the associated costs (which are much, much higher than most people realize even before trying to attach a price tag to externalities like deaths and pollution), at a cost that's much more manageable than trying to do everything at the same time. That should be part of a long-term plan for a larger-scale network, of course, since trying to connect multiple segments into a larger network without that planning is a nightmare (which I am of course an authority on because I've played Factorio), but investing in one route at a time will still yield significant benefits.Dikitain posted... </cite><quote>Only because it is used more, which is kind of my point. As crappy as it is to travel by air, it is also extremely safe due to all the safety regulations in place. Rail needs to have those same regulations before it is going to be a viable option, but it is also going to raise the cost astronomically. Which isn't going to be good for an industry where they are already struggling to get people to use it.</quote>The thing is that rail is only as unsafe as it is because it struggles so much to stay afloat, and it struggles to stay afloat because subsidies are overwhelmingly directed toward roads, the service provided is objectively worse than driving in almost every way (meaning very few people choose to travel by rail), and because parties interested in keeping cars dominant lobby against efforts to improve it. With a commitment to making it a viable alternative to driving and a suitably-sized locomotive shoved up the ass of the remaining Koch brother the next time he shows up with a cheque, those safety concerns won't be hard to manage at all. After all, pretty much every other developed country in the world has managed to pull it off (except Canada, for many of the same reasons).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/19/23 5:02:11 PM #20:	Japan is a lot smaller --- Snowflakes of today: "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will ALWAYS hurt me." <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:974941944] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Japan is a lot smaller</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/19/23 5:07:02 PM #21:	Krazy_Kirby posted... Japan is a lot smaller I'm just going to leave this here because this guy does a much better job of outlining how fundamentally flawed the "the US is too big!" excuse is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REni8Oi1QJQ --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:974942022] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite><quote>Japan is a lot smaller</quote>I'm just going to leave this here because this guy does a much better job of outlining how fundamentally flawed the "the US is too big!" excuse is:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REni8Oi1QJQ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/19/23 5:21:57 PM #22:	We should just get rid of all roads because the US is clearly too big for them --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:974942274] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>We should just get rid of all roads because the US is clearly too big for them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josh 07/19/23 6:24:19 PM #23:	Flying wouldn't be so bad if we didn't still need to rummage through every bag for a pair of nail clippers before boarding --- So I was standing still at a stationary store... <cite>josh posted [p:974943532] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Flying wouldn't be so bad if we didn't still need to rummage through every bag for a pair of nail clippers before boarding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dragon504 07/19/23 6:39:34 PM #24:	Even if inner city was still car based, having high speed rail to move around the country would be amazing. Better public transport and high speed rail across the country is the dream though. --- http://myanimelist.net/profile/dragon504 http://followmy.tv/u/dragon504/time_wasted <cite>dragon504 posted [p:974943826] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Even if inner city was still car based, having high speed rail to move around the country would be amazing. Better public transport and high speed rail across the country is the dream though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 07/19/23 8:39:17 PM #25:	Krazy_Kirby posted... Japan is a lot smaller and? It's significantly more densely packed. There are large swaths of the US with either minimal or zero population density that could be used to provide high speed rail between cities. Look at fucking Texas. It's got several densely populated cities but between them are just small towns and a bunch of rural land. It's been ripe for high speed rails connecting Dallas, Austin, Houston, and San Antonio, but it's been a pipe dream for the last 30 years because the douche nozzles in power keep preventing it from happening. i seriously cannot understand why people would be actively against efficient forms of transportation other than "muh taxes" <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:974946157] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite><quote>Japan is a lot smaller</quote>and? It's significantly more densely packed. There are large swaths of the US with either minimal or zero population density that could be used to provide high speed rail between cities. Look at fucking Texas. It's got several densely populated cities but between them are just small towns and a bunch of rural land. It's been ripe for high speed rails connecting Dallas, Austin, Houston, and San Antonio, but it's been a pipe dream for the last 30 years because the douche nozzles in power keep preventing it from happening. i seriously cannot understand why people would be actively against efficient forms of transportation other than "muh taxes"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 07/19/23 8:44:27 PM #26:	josh posted... Flying wouldn't be so bad if we didn't still need to rummage through every bag for a pair of nail clippers before boarding if you can hijack a plane with only a pair of nail clippers, you can do the same without --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:974946276] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>josh posted... </cite><quote>Flying wouldn't be so bad if we didn't still need to rummage through every bag for a pair of nail clippers before boarding</quote>if you can hijack a plane with only a pair of nail clippers, you can do the same without</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
potdnewb 07/19/23 9:03:46 PM #27:	Zareth posted... They were gonna build a 2 hour high speed train from Vegas to LA but Elon killed it potdnewb posted... for most of the country building a rail system along side the interstate highway system wouldnt be too difficult except for lobbyist <cite>potdnewb posted [p:974946642] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite><quote>They were gonna build a 2 hour high speed train from Vegas to LA but Elon killed it</quote>potdnewb posted... </cite><quote>for most of the country building a rail system along side the interstate highway system wouldnt be too difficult except for lobbyist</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 07/19/23 9:06:22 PM #28:	Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day. --- Software Architect / Code Janitor / Professional Sheep Herder <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:974946690] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 07/19/23 9:08:55 PM #29:	^Clearly youve never been on a lot of the interstates in this country, but thanks for trying. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:974946721] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>^Clearly youve never been on a lot of the interstates in this country, but thanks for trying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 07/19/23 9:09:39 PM #30:	Judgmenl posted... Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day. walking exists? you can travel as far as you want, just wear a diaper and prepare for the terrain. don't even have to use a road like pussy ass cars <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:974946732] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite><quote>Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day.</quote>walking exists? you can travel as far as you want, just wear a diaper and prepare for the terrain. don't even have to use a road like pussy ass cars</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 07/19/23 9:26:34 PM #31:	At that point might as well get a horse. --- Software Architect / Code Janitor / Professional Sheep Herder <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:974947044] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>At that point might as well get a horse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 07/19/23 10:44:42 PM #32:	Judgmenl posted... At that point might as well get a horse. yeah who needs modern day necessities. let's just get rid of all the technological advancements we've made <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:974948544] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite><quote>At that point might as well get a horse.</quote>yeah who needs modern day necessities. let's just get rid of all the technological advancements we've made</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jsb0714 07/19/23 11:22:22 PM #33:	adjl posted... You don't need a system that spans the entire country and connects every possible destination all at once. Maybe, but if it doesn't take me where I want to go, fuck it. <cite>jsb0714 posted [p:974949072] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite><quote>You don't need a system that spans the entire country and connects every possible destination all at once.</quote>Maybe, but if it doesn't take me where I want to go, fuck it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sodium-chloride 07/19/23 11:59:24 PM #34:	jsb0714 posted... Maybe, but if it doesn't take me where I want to go, fuck it. "I don't care if this bullet train can connect me with every city with over 1 million people within a matter of hours. If it can't get me to my mommy's house in Alaska from the Oklahoma panhandle then fuck it, the entire thing is useless." <cite>sodium-chloride posted [p:974949546] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>jsb0714 posted... </cite><quote>Maybe, but if it doesn't take me where I want to go, fuck it.</quote>"I don't care if this bullet train can connect me with every city with over 1 million people within a matter of hours. If it can't get me to my mommy's house in Alaska from the Oklahoma panhandle then fuck it, the entire thing is useless."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathMagnetic80 07/20/23 12:27:07 AM #35:	Judgmenl posted... Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day. You ever try and drive 1000 miles in a day? <cite>DeathMagnetic80 posted [p:974949856] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite><quote>Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day.</quote>You ever try and drive 1000 miles in a day?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fishy071 07/20/23 12:45:32 AM #36:	America needs to improve on public transportation. --- "You don't need a reason to help people." -Zidane Tribal of Final Fantasy IX <cite>fishy071 posted [p:974950041] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>America needs to improve on public transportation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 07/20/23 10:56:41 AM #37:	DeathMagnetic80 posted... You ever try and drive 1000 miles in a day? It takes like 18 hours but yeah --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:974955571] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>DeathMagnetic80 posted... </cite><quote>You ever try and drive 1000 miles in a day?</quote>It takes like 18 hours but yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
imlikegutsfr 07/20/23 11:14:07 AM #38:	AltOmega2 posted... It takes like 18 hours but yeah But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car? <cite>imlikegutsfr posted [p:974955840] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>AltOmega2 posted... </cite><quote>It takes like 18 hours but yeah</quote>But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/20/23 11:43:59 AM #39:	dragon504 posted... Even if inner city was still car based That's the opposite of good city design. The inner city is the area that's easiest to move away from car dependency and is hurt most by trying to build around heavy traffic. When everything's close together (which is further facilitated by having narrower roads and fewer parking lots), walking and biking between destinations becomes much easier, as does having effective transit routes (whether subways, surface rail, streetcars, or buses). You're correct that high-speed rail between major destinations (pretty much every pair of cities that sees multiple plane connections per day could have high-speed rail connections) makes a lot of sense because of how spread out those pockets of density are (much more sense than it makes to connect them with car highways), but car-based design is really only suitable for low-density areas like small towns where everyone's farms are a couple miles apart. Cities are designed around cars, thanks to rampant suburban sprawl that makes it ridiculously difficult to service residential areas with transit, but they really shouldn't be because of how hideously inefficient it is. Judgmenl posted... Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day. Sure, but that's ~14 hours of just driving if you're averaging 70-75 mph, plus breaks, and you have to do all of it yourself unless you've got somebody to share the load (or do all of it for you, in your case). That's very obviously worse than "Sit on comfortable train doing whatever portable activity you want for <8 hours." The only issue there is last-mile transportation, but even in poorly-designed, car-infested hellholes people manage to do that just fine from airports, and train stations are no different in that regard. On top of that, train stations are even easier to integrate into a better-designed city because they don't need so much space to move planes around, so having stations within walking or biking distance of major destinations is quite possible, as is having secondary transit options going from the station to other areas. jsb0714 posted... Maybe, but if it doesn't take me where I want to go, fuck it. There are significantly more roads in the country that don't take you where you want to go than there will ever be train lines, and they're all a significantly larger resource sink than a high-speed rail network would be. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:974956295] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>dragon504 posted... </cite><quote>Even if inner city was still car based</quote>That's the opposite of good city design. The inner city is the area that's easiest to move away from car dependency and is hurt most by trying to build around heavy traffic. When everything's close together (which is further facilitated by having narrower roads and fewer parking lots), walking and biking between destinations becomes much easier, as does having effective transit routes (whether subways, surface rail, streetcars, or buses). You're correct that high-speed rail between major destinations (pretty much every pair of cities that sees multiple plane connections per day could have high-speed rail connections) makes a lot of sense because of how spread out those pockets of density are (much more sense than it makes to connect them with car highways), but car-based design is really only suitable for low-density areas like small towns where everyone's farms are a couple miles apart. Cities are designed around cars, thanks to rampant suburban sprawl that makes it ridiculously difficult to service residential areas with transit, but they really shouldn't be because of how hideously inefficient it is.Judgmenl posted... </cite><quote>Cars exist? You can travel 1000 miles in a day.</quote>Sure, but that's ~14 hours of just driving if you're averaging 70-75 mph, plus breaks, and you have to do all of it yourself unless you've got somebody to share the load (or do all of it for you, in your case). That's very obviously worse than "Sit on comfortable train doing whatever portable activity you want for <8 hours." The only issue there is last-mile transportation, but even in poorly-designed, car-infested hellholes people manage to do that just fine from airports, and train stations are no different in that regard. On top of that, train stations are even easier to integrate into a better-designed city because they don't need so much space to move planes around, so having stations within walking or biking distance of major destinations is quite possible, as is having secondary transit options going from the station to other areas.jsb0714 posted... </cite><quote>Maybe, but if it doesn't take me where I want to go, fuck it.</quote>There are significantly more roads in the country that don't take you where you want to go than there will ever be train lines, and they're all a significantly larger resource sink than a high-speed rail network would be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 07/20/23 11:44:29 AM #40:	imlikegutsfr posted... But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car? Personally I would prefer the train car, yeah. Driving fucking SUCKS --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:974956307] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>imlikegutsfr posted... </cite><quote>But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car?</quote>Personally I would prefer the train car, yeah. Driving fucking SUCKS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 07/20/23 11:56:09 AM #41:	sodium-chloride posted... like why is this not a priority? I just came back from Japan and my mind was blown how easy it is to get from literally one completely different part of the country to another. Seamless, easy, clean, comfortable, fast. It is expensive but it's cheaper than a plane ticket and you don't have to deal with security and boarding. looked up how long it would take to get from Dallas to Chicago by Amtrak. 22 hours. TWENTY TWO HOURS to go 1000 miles. That same distance in Japan could be covered in 8 hrs by the bullet train. Dallas to Houston? 19 HOURS to go about 300 miles. WHAT THE FUCK. For context, driving from Dallas to Houston is about 4 hours, and that's if you don't have to deal with a lot of traffic. It's insane how much upside there is to fast federally supported public transport, and yet it's just not a thing here. And it's sad that it won't ever be a thing because of this country's insane reliance on cars and planes. This country could be so much better if people could just broaden their viewpoints about "what a society should be" and not be so fucking stuck in the past. I have been a car person my entire life and I don't regret owning a car. But it would be fucking amazing to be able to live my life without having to rely on a car. 8 hours? I thought it would be faster than that. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:974956480] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>sodium-chloride posted...</cite><quote>like why is this not a priority? I just came back from Japan and my mind was blown how easy it is to get from literally one completely different part of the country to another. Seamless, easy, clean, comfortable, fast. It is expensive but it's cheaper than a plane ticket and you don't have to deal with security and boarding. looked up how long it would take to get from Dallas to Chicago by Amtrak. 22 hours. TWENTY TWO HOURS to go 1000 miles. That same distance in Japan could be covered in 8 hrs by the bullet train. Dallas to Houston? 19 HOURS to go about 300 miles. WHAT THE FUCK. For context, driving from Dallas to Houston is about 4 hours, and that's if you don't have to deal with a lot of traffic. It's insane how much upside there is to fast federally supported public transport, and yet it's just not a thing here. And it's sad that it won't ever be a thing because of this country's insane reliance on cars and planes. This country could be so much better if people could just broaden their viewpoints about "what a society should be" and not be so fucking stuck in the past. I have been a car person my entire life and I don't regret owning a car. But it would be fucking amazing to be able to live my life without having to rely on a car. </quote>8 hours? I thought it would be faster than that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/20/23 12:22:54 PM #42:	DeathMagnetic80 posted... You ever try and drive 1000 miles in a day? Yeah. Twice, at the very least imlikegutsfr posted... But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car? So I could use my vehicle at my destination That said, I dont think I could not do a train car for a long time --- Currently Playing - Master Detective Archives: Rain Code Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm the LinkPizza you'll see around <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:974956913] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>DeathMagnetic80 posted...</cite><quote>You ever try and drive 1000 miles in a day?</quote>Yeah. Twice, at the very leastimlikegutsfr posted...</cite><quote>But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car? </quote>So I could use my vehicle at my destinationThat said, I dont think I could not do a train car for a long time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
imlikegutsfr 07/20/23 12:23:46 PM #43:	LinkPizza posted... Yeah. Twice, at the very least So I could use my vehicle at my destination That said, I dont think I could not do a train car for a long time If we as a country had functional public transport the ideal would be, you take train from city A to city B. You use bus/rail in city B, you shouldn't NEED to own a car. <cite>imlikegutsfr posted [p:974956935] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite><quote>Yeah. Twice, at the very leastSo I could use my vehicle at my destinationThat said, I dont think I could not do a train car for a long time</quote>If we as a country had functional public transport the ideal would be, you take train from city A to city B. You use bus/rail in city B, you shouldn't NEED to own a car. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
imlikegutsfr 07/20/23 12:25:15 PM #44:	And I don't mean the shitty bus system we actually have today. It's not normal for a bus to take 3x as long to get to your destination than with a car. <cite>imlikegutsfr posted [p:974956963] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>And I don't mean the shitty bus system we actually have today. It's not normal for a bus to take 3x as long to get to your destination than with a car. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/20/23 12:30:40 PM #45:	imlikegutsfr posted... If we as a country had functional public transport the ideal would be, you take train from city A to city B. You use bus/rail in city B, you shouldn't NEED to own a car. I dont like public transport much And probably wouldnt feel safe using it to get home (especially late at night since my family doesnt always like the area they are in at night, though its great during the day) And thats if the ones back home even run 24/7 Plus, its cheaper (for me, at least) to just use a vehicle when there at home. And it doesnt mean I have to leave super early to get to places on time Id just rather have my car Or a car to use, like my sisters car. Ive also borrowed hers before imlikegutsfr posted... And I don't mean the shitty bus system we actually have today. It's not normal for a bus to take 3x as long to get to your destination than with a car. To change that, that would also cost a lot Especially back home --- Currently Playing - Master Detective Archives: Rain Code Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm the LinkPizza you'll see around <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:974957063] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>imlikegutsfr posted...</cite><quote>If we as a country had functional public transport the ideal would be, you take train from city A to city B. You use bus/rail in city B, you shouldn't NEED to own a car. </quote>I dont like public transport much And probably wouldnt feel safe using it to get home (especially late at night since my family doesnt always like the area they are in at night, though its great during the day) And thats if the ones back home even run 24/7 Plus, its cheaper (for me, at least) to just use a vehicle when there at home. And it doesnt mean I have to leave super early to get to places on time Id just rather have my car Or a car to use, like my sisters car. Ive also borrowed hers beforeimlikegutsfr posted...</cite><quote>And I don't mean the shitty bus system we actually have today. It's not normal for a bus to take 3x as long to get to your destination than with a car. </quote>To change that, that would also cost a lot Especially back home</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SinisterSlay 07/20/23 12:31:52 PM #46:	imlikegutsfr posted... But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car? It has to be a good train car. If it's an airplane seat where my knees are firmly crushed into the seat in front of me and I need weeks of chiropractor for a 3 hour flight. Fuck no I'll drive. --- He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who... sticks out in darkness... is... fluorescent! - Brother Silence Lose 50 experience <cite>SinisterSlay posted [p:974957083] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>imlikegutsfr posted... </cite><quote>But why tf would you willingly subject yourself to actively driving yourself for 18 hours when you could be relaxing in a train car?</quote>It has to be a good train car. If it's an airplane seat where my knees are firmly crushed into the seat in front of me and I need weeks of chiropractor for a 3 hour flight. Fuck no I'll drive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/20/23 12:51:28 PM #47:	imlikegutsfr posted... If we as a country had functional public transport the ideal would be, you take train from city A to city B. You use bus/rail in city B, you shouldn't NEED to own a car. To be fair, if we all had jetpacks or fairy wings we wouldn't need to own cars either. But like it or not, the state of the world as it is kind of necessitates it. And while it might be nicer to live in a world where that wasn't true, the amount of change that would need to occur between now and then is so massive that it starts to raise questions about whether or not it's actually worth the eventual pay-off. Realistically, we need to get localized mass transit to a point where people actually want to use it before we ever even remotely start worrying about the complexities of more advanced long-distance rail (or flight). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:974957523] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote><cite>imlikegutsfr posted...</cite><quote>If we as a country had functional public transport the ideal would be, you take train from city A to city B. You use bus/rail in city B, you shouldn't NEED to own a car. </quote>To be fair, if we all had jetpacks or fairy wings we wouldn't need to own cars either.But like it or not, the state of the world as it is kind of necessitates it. And while it might be nicer to live in a world where that wasn't true, the amount of change that would need to occur between now and then is so massive that it starts to raise questions about whether or not it's actually worth the eventual pay-off.Realistically, we need to get localized mass transit to a point where people actually want to use it before we ever even remotely start worrying about the complexities of more advanced long-distance rail (or flight).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
imlikegutsfr 07/20/23 1:09:46 PM #48:	LinkPizza posted... I dont like public transport much And probably wouldnt feel safe using it to get home (especially late at night since my family doesnt always like the area they are in at night, though its great during the day) And thats if the ones back home even run 24/7 Plus, its cheaper (for me, at least) to just use a vehicle when there at home. And it doesnt mean I have to leave super early to get to places on time Id just rather have my car Or a car to use, like my sisters car. Ive also borrowed hers before To change that, that would also cost a lot Especially back home Creating needlessly huge highways, parking lots, repairing streets for personal vehicles also costs a lot. <cite>imlikegutsfr posted [p:974957901] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite><quote>I dont like public transport much And probably wouldnt feel safe using it to get home (especially late at night since my family doesnt always like the area they are in at night, though its great during the day) And thats if the ones back home even run 24/7 Plus, its cheaper (for me, at least) to just use a vehicle when there at home. And it doesnt mean I have to leave super early to get to places on time Id just rather have my car Or a car to use, like my sisters car. Ive also borrowed hers beforeTo change that, that would also cost a lot Especially back home</quote>Creating needlessly huge highways, parking lots, repairing streets for personal vehicles also costs a lot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/20/23 1:18:08 PM #49:	imlikegutsfr posted... Creating needlessly huge highways, parking lots, repairing streets for personal vehicles also costs a lot. Sure But we already have them. If this was before we created them, thatd be different Since we already have them, though, we dont need to build them again For this plan, wed need a lot not only to build the whole train system, but a lot to also redo the whole public transport system, as well And would probably have to rebuild whole cities to make it actually work well And even then, youd need to get people to want to use it --- Currently Playing - Master Detective Archives: Rain Code Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm the LinkPizza you'll see around <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:974958056] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>imlikegutsfr posted...</cite><quote>Creating needlessly huge highways, parking lots, repairing streets for personal vehicles also costs a lot. </quote>Sure But we already have them. If this was before we created them, thatd be different Since we already have them, though, we dont need to build them againFor this plan, wed need a lot not only to build the whole train system, but a lot to also redo the whole public transport system, as well And would probably have to rebuild whole cities to make it actually work well And even then, youd need to get people to want to use it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoSioType 07/20/23 1:47:43 PM #50:	Trains went the same way as nuclear power, NASA and... Hollywood. You could also argue skyscrapers as China is destroying the rankings with its number of entries. inb4 crumbling empire. <cite>NeoSioType posted [p:974958671] in could you ... [t:80513020]...</cite> <quote>Trains went the same way as nuclear power, NASA and... Hollywood.You could also argue skyscrapers as China is destroying the rankings with its number of entries.inb4 crumbling empire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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