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07/24/23 11:10:02 PM
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Realistically speaking there's no way in hell Bruce could go toe to toe with core avengers team. Even Luke Cage could pose a significant threat to Batman with his invulnerable skin. Daredevil could sense his punch and kicks Miles away with his heightened sense. The only logical way he could win this by attacking an unarmed Punisher chilling in his bathroom.

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07/24/23 11:10:33 PM
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Batman can beat spiderman easily

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07/24/23 11:10:40 PM
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You mean strongest?

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07/24/23 11:11:47 PM
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With or without time to plan?

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07/24/23 11:12:07 PM
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Im pretty sure Batman has some gadget that makes noise and thats all it takes to beat Daredevil.
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Ratchetrockon
07/24/23 11:12:12 PM
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Batman has a few super suits so he can prob beat some high street tiers and low city tiers from marvel if he really has to.

One of his suits survived a beating from Darkseid (a guy that can beat tf out of superman) and can fly at hypersonic speeds. So pretty durable and fast.

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07/24/23 11:13:18 PM
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Poorly posted...
Realistically speaking there's no way in hell Bruce could go toe to toe with core avengers team

Why can't he beat Hawkeye and Black Widow?

Antman and The Wasp is probably doable for him too.

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A_Good_Boy
07/24/23 11:13:32 PM
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Probably whoever is the weakest hero that Captain America could beat if Captain America were fighting for half the time that he normally can since Batman gets tired and Cap doesn't.

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Tyranthraxus
07/24/23 11:14:44 PM
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Assuming you mean strongest, not enough information. Are we using some kind of wanked Batman or the average?

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07/24/23 11:55:50 PM
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Without prep? Probably Captain America.

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07/25/23 12:00:43 AM
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Rocket Racoon
Groot
Most of the cast of Guardians actually
Kitty Pryde
Black Panther
Probably most of the Eternals (at least incapacitate them)
Mr Fantastic
America Chavez
Howard the Duck

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nocturnal_traveler
07/25/23 12:08:54 AM
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If he could beat Superman with prep time, he could beat Marvels equivalent.

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royic
07/25/23 12:21:53 AM
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You're kinda phrasing this like Batman is in the octagon with them

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
07/25/23 12:22:58 AM
#14:


Whoever the weakest one is.

As for the strongest one he could beat, may depend on the Batman era in question, how much of his team stuff he gets and how in or out of character he may be (like, say, being able to basically colony drop on them, something he did actually do to a lesser extent in character, piloting it on the terminal re-entry course manually himself no less), etc.

And also it depends on whatever feats that the hero he is facing off with has. Both in that particular writing setting, as well as what part of the setting it is, since Marvel heroes, while nowhere near being like shounen anime heroes, do actually tend to get stronger with time to some extent.


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Torgo
07/25/23 12:24:22 AM
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Who would win between batman and The Punisher?


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Torgo
07/25/23 12:26:07 AM
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Who would beat Batman the fastest?

Professor X ... *Zttt* Sorry to have remotely lobotomized you, Mr Wayne.

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royic
07/25/23 12:26:48 AM
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Torgo posted...
Who would beat Batman the fastest?

Professor X ... *Zttt* Sorry to have remotely lobotomized you, Mr Wayne.

you dont think batman could figure out how to wear a tinfoil hat like magneto does

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Torgo
07/25/23 12:31:46 AM
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royic posted...
you dont think batman could figure out how to wear a tinfoil hat like magneto does

That's a special one of a kind helmet so Batman would have to kill Magneto - sooo he would have to first beat another insanely powerful mutant without any metal gadgets or vehicles - and Magneto isn't going to plot together with a filthy non-mutant human! Also, Prof. X would be able to learn Batman's secret identity immediately and deal with him before he could get a special helmet.

Of course Xavier doesn't violate his own code of ethics to violate people's privacy, so the real winner is whoever is more willing to violate their heroic ethics.

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07/25/23 12:32:25 AM
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Torgo posted...
Of course Xavier doesn't violate his own code of ethics
Oh honey

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boxoto
07/25/23 12:33:05 AM
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Death Battle said that he could ultimately beat Captain America due to his mastery of stuff like pressure points.

like, Cap has the physiological edge, but Batman is apparently more adept in more forms of martial arts, and the pressure point thing is what would have him win.

I don't really follow either character, though, so I don't know how true that is.

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ChrisTaka
07/25/23 12:33:19 AM
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Batman with prep time could probably beat anyone who's powers aren't otherworldly or have a clear limit.

So he could beat even Iron Man or Cap, but then get decimated by people like Hulk or Thor.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
07/25/23 12:33:37 AM
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Reminder: THIS is actually Batman, since the station was basically paid for by Wayne Corp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV7KPa8iuxE

This basically stopped the DCAU version of the start to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (planet go boom) from happening at the last minute.


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royic
07/25/23 12:33:51 AM
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Torgo posted...
That's a special one of a kind helmet so Batman would have to kill Magneto - sooo he would have to first beat another insanely powerful mutant without any metal gadgets or vehicles. Also, Prof. X would be able to learn Batman's secret identity immediately and deal with him before he could get a special helmet.

Of course Xavier doesn't violate his own code of ethics to violate people's privacy, so the real winner is whoever is more willing to violate their heroic ethics.

I mean it's Batman, he is going to be able to make another helmet and find a way to avoid detection the moment he knows he's up against a psychic

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Torgo
07/25/23 12:33:58 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
Oh honey

Well sure, in a continuity that long even Superman has runs where he murders normal humans.

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DrizztLink
07/25/23 12:34:51 AM
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Torgo posted...
Well sure, in a continuity that long even Superman has runs where he murders normal humans.
Oh no, Xavier is an absolute motherfucker, he just has good publicity.

The New X-Men were sent to save the original X-Men when they disappeared. Colossus, Storm, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler then joined the team for good, and Xavier formed a new mutant fighting force. This story happened in Giant-Size X-Men #1, but it turns out that between the last appearance of the original X-Men and the debut of this team, there was another X-Men team.

In Deadly Genesis, he sent a team that included Cyclops, Sway, Darwin, Havok, and Petra to save them. Every member of this team died except for Cyclops. Professor X than wiped Cyclops' memory and acted like the mutants never existed. He later wiped Scott's memory of his brother Vulcan, which caused the X-Men to banish him from his school.

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Tyranthraxus
07/25/23 12:35:09 AM
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Torgo posted...
Who would win between batman and The Punisher?

I'm the official crossover Batman beat him so bad it didn't even happen on panel. There was just a wisecrack about how "we wouldn't be late if you didn't stop to beat up that guy wearing a skull shirt!"

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07/25/23 12:36:48 AM
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boxoto posted...
Death Battle said that he could ultimately beat Captain America due to his mastery of stuff like pressure points.

like, Cap has the physiological edge, but Batman is apparently more adept in more forms of martial arts, and the pressure point thing is what would have him win.

I don't really follow either character, though, so I don't know how true that is.

It's 50/50 but death battle doesn't do ties so they nit picked some details to decide on a winner.

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Torgo
07/25/23 12:38:15 AM
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royic posted...
I mean it's Batman, he is going to be able to make another helmet and find a way to avoid detection the moment he knows he's up against a psychic

On the other hand, Prof. X is such a powerful telepath, he would probably be able to detect Batman's moves in trying to build the helmet...

So I guess you could say if Batman had complete tactical surprise advantage to Where Prof X had no idea Batman intended to defeat him - he would have a shot. However, if they are both aware of each other's intention, Prof X just ends it immediately.

I do think Xavier often gets overlooked for how frighteningly OP he really is. Party because he's physically disabled, and party because he's modeled after the symbol of social justice and passive resistance: MLK.

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DrizztLink
07/25/23 12:39:46 AM
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Torgo posted...
party because he's modeled after the symbol of social justice and passive resistance: MLK.

Wolverine first showed up as part of the New X-Men, a team Professor X put together to go and try to save his original students, who were all captured and trapped on a sentient island. Most of the new team were brought in by Charles to help them, including Storm, Colossus, and Nightcrawler.

However, years later, it turned out that one of the most famous members was not there out of his own free will. Wolverine was sent to assassinate Professor X and failed. Instead, in Wolverine: Origins #29, it showed that Charles went into Logan's already damaged and fractured mind and reprogrammed the mutant to think he came to join the X-Men.

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07/25/23 12:40:09 AM
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Torgo posted...
On the other hand, Prof. X is such a powerful telepath, he would probably be able to detect Batman's moves in trying to build the helmet...

So I guess you could say if Batman had complete tactical surprise advantage to Where Prof X had no idea Batman intended to defeat him - he would have a shot. However, if they are both aware of each other's intention, Prof X just ends it immediately.

I do think Xavier often gets overlooked for how frighteningly OP he really is. Party because he's physically disabled, and party because he's modeled after the symbol of social justice and passive resistance: MLK.
In a death battle scenario where Xavier is actively looking for and trying to kill Batman he's got zero chance. You have to give Batman the advantage of him knowing about Xavier before Xavier knows about him for this to not be a complete stomp.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
07/25/23 12:42:41 AM
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To actually answer the answer of the strongest character he can beat, the answer is obvious.

Squirrel Girl.

As long as the camera cooperates, the universe will let him defeat the girl that can canonically slap Dr Doom and Thanos around when she wants to and isn't being watched by universal outsiders.

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nocturnal_traveler
07/25/23 12:43:00 AM
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Torgo posted...
Who would beat Batman the fastest?

Professor X ... *Zttt* Sorry to have remotely lobotomized you, Mr Wayne.
I forgot about Xavier. If he really wanted to, he could telekinetically remove Magnetos helmet, then fry his brain.

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07/25/23 12:43:54 AM
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Batman can defeat Hulk in a fist fight if the writers want him to.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
07/25/23 12:44:01 AM
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Who would beat Batman the fastest would ALSO be squirrel girl, incidentally.

Offscreen.

Then a panel, with Batman saying "I did not plan for the squirrels."

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Torgo
07/25/23 12:44:10 AM
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Batman VS Nightcrawler would be an amazing fight.

Nightcrawler's biggest disadvantage is that he's fighting a lot of near invulnerable, mass energy manipulating, regenerating, super tough mutants that can withstand his incredible agility and fairly low physical strength when compared to guys like Juggernaut or Colossus.

Batman would be a very similar stealthy, quick opponent, and Batman's gear could be a good match for the teleportation, superhuman agility and prehensile tail.

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Tyranthraxus
07/25/23 12:45:01 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
I forgot about Xavier. If he really wanted to, he could telekinetically remove Magnetos helmet, then fry his brain.
No he couldn't. He'd have to overpower magneto magnetokinesis to keep the helmet on and Xavier just ain't that strong.

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Tyranthraxus
07/25/23 12:46:39 AM
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...
Who would beat Batman the fastest would ALSO be squirrel girl, incidentally.

Offscreen.

Then a panel, with Batman saying "I did not plan for the squirrels."
I want this to be a comic except instead, after the panel cuts the next scene is just an army of squirrels fighting an army of bats. This would later be revealed as Batman's contingency plan for squirrel girl.

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Torgo
07/25/23 12:47:53 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No he couldn't. He'd have to overpower magneto magnetokinesis to keep the helmet on and Xavier just ain't that strong.

Yeah, let's also not forget how OP Magneto is.

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Murphiroth
07/25/23 12:49:53 AM
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Xavier's also not a telekinetic, at least for most of his publication history. He's usually just an extremely powerful telepath.

I think he got actual telekinesis fairly recently with all the Krakoa stuff as a secondary mutation though.
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Liu_Kano
07/25/23 12:52:18 AM
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Punisher is as powerful as the writer of the given story wants him to be. He can be a demigod who is smarter and more skilled than Batman and can get the better of Wolverine, Deadpool, Spidey or DD, or just a common footsoldier who easily gets curbstomped by Cap, Spidey or DD. The bigger the writer's "Punisher Boner", the more powerful and lucky Frank is in whatever given story.


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Liu_Kano
07/25/23 12:54:29 AM
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Torgo posted...
Yeah, let's also not forget how OP Magneto is.
Magneto is another character who, like Punisher, varies in power depending on the writer's boner for the character. In some stories he could singlehandedly destroy Earth if he chose to and is probably more powerful than Superman, but in other stories he gets his ass kicked by mid-level threats.

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Torgo
07/25/23 12:54:43 AM
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Murphiroth posted...
Xavier's also not a telekinetic, at least for most of his publication history. He's usually just an extremely powerful telepath.

I think he got actual telekinesis fairly recently with all the Krakoa stuff as a secondary mutation though.

Like a lot of "mental" powered heroes, it's pretty malleable and depends on the version and run. The fact that he could short out an entire city of people's minds instantly is what makes him so potentially scary.

Also he can form psionic shields and posses people, the possessing of one of Batman's allies would probably be how he beats a prepared batman.

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Tyranthraxus
07/25/23 12:55:49 AM
#43:


Murphiroth posted...
Xavier's also not a telekinetic, at least for most of his publication history. He's usually just an extremely powerful telepath.

I think he got actual telekinesis fairly recently with all the Krakoa stuff as a secondary mutation though.

He had telekinesis in the 60s but it was weak and useless and more like a fun personality quirk.

Ultimates universe he's got more serious telekinesis but you're right that he's predominantly a telepath for nearly all publication.

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07/25/23 12:59:15 AM
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Batman's thing is "planning".

At this point, that can be used by him to likely take down most superheroes between both DC and Marvel, no matter their power level.

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07/25/23 1:16:30 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's 50/50 but death battle doesn't do ties so they nit picked some details to decide on a winner.
that makes sense.

it wouldn't make for an interesting show if they said it was too close to tell, so it's a tie, or something like that.

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royic
07/25/23 1:22:45 AM
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How much info does Xavier need about someone before he can find him?

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07/25/23 3:36:23 AM
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royic posted...
How much info does Xavier need about someone before he can find him?
Probably just some extremely basic vibes. He can use Cerebro to find anybody.

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07/25/23 4:08:35 AM
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Anyway, to go back to the original OP... he can DEFINITELY take down Iron Man with some prep. And the fact he is sneakier about how he uses HIS mega-corp vs how Stark uses his.


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Dark_Arbron
07/25/23 4:10:01 AM
#49:


This "Batman with time to plan" meme really means "Batman if we give him literally any resource or contrive any situation we want regardless of availability or compatibility with lore." Anyone can beat Superman if you hand them kryptonite. That's not Batman's victory, it's Superman's loss.

But sure. Batman could kill Beerus if he had time to "plan." And by "plan" I mean gather the super dragonballs. Which we will conveniently hand to him.

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07/25/23 4:12:24 AM
#50:


Jx1010 posted...
Batman can beat spiderman easily

The only way Batman can beat Spider-Man is through the power of terrible writing.

Most super powered people are way beyond Batman without bad writing being involved.

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