Current Events > Who was the most moral character: Jesse Pinkman, Hank Schrader, Skyer White

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Also Walt was the most moral. See evidence below:

https://youtu.be/E60zr_WIR_o

Slayer_22 posted...

I'm not trolling, seriously. Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm trolling. Walt is the hero of the story, easily. He pretty much saves everyone important, and is only responsible for the worst of the worst people dying.

Jessie messed everything up and made him go bad, but he redeemed himself in the end.

Dude literally tried to rape his wife because he needed to feel like the alpha man. Besides him murdering people like Jane and Mike primarily for his ego.

Pikachuchupika posted...

What did Hank do wrong?

Hes a cop

ToteAll posted...

?????????????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tbaDMYzPyo&ab_channel=colorado

02fran posted...

tried to rape

What's with CE today?

"Tried"?

GameGodOfAll posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tbaDMYzPyo&ab_channel=colorado

I'm asking why the fuck did you add quotation marks to rape.

Hank did beat Jesse Id argue thats probably his most "immoral" moment, but compared to the rest its the least egregious issue on the list.

ToteAll posted...

I'm asking why the fuck did you add quotation marks to rape.

To try and avoid the discussion that comes along with it and have to describe why it's still rape. It happens literally every time it comes up and I'm tired of it.

GameGodOfAll posted...

To try and avoid the discussion that comes along with it and have to describe why it's still rape. It happens literally every time it comes up and I'm tired of it.

Yeah sure.

Yikes at some of the takes ITT

ToteAll posted...

Yeah sure.

Eh, he's right, and I'm not sure if that'd be legally considered rape in court too. That said, let's see if Slayer will even consider that sexual assault at all.
Anyway, I can sort of see the logic in that Walt's actions basically led to every major drug gang (besides the cartel which is entirely Gus) and the nazis dying but that's a bit like saying Jason in Jason vs Freddy or Surtr in Thor Ragnarok was a hero. They managed to defeat even greater evils but they're still villain protagonists who've committed atrocities with no remorse who only fought the worse evils out of their own selfish instead of altruistic desires.

Slayer_22 posted...

Tbh like I said he was lying so Skyler would believe him and do as he said. He was also planning on living longer but the random dumb stupid bullet bouncing off a lamp(that realistically would have never happened!) ruined his plans to go back into hiding and then back to chemo.

No, dude, you are wrong lol. Everyone here is explaining why, you took the completely wrong lesson or takeaway from the show. This is getting crazy.

Slayer_22 posted...

Yeah, again, that was a lie just so Skyler would do as he planned. Otherwise, she'd have brushed him off. So he told her what she wanted to hear.

No it wasn't man, that was the entire point of the scene. He finally admitted the truth, as is evident by the MOUNTAINS of evidence from the rest of the series. Holy hell Batman!

Let's take a look at what the literal creator of the show says:

https://www.primetimer.com/news/breaking-bad-no-sympathy-walter-white-vince-gilligan

"The further away I get from Breaking Bad, the less sympathy I have for Walter," said Gilligan. "He got thrown a lifeline early on. And, if he had been a better human being, he would've swallowed his pride and taken the opportunity to treat his cancer with the money his former friends offered him."

"Like, wait a minute, why was this guy so great?" said the creator. "He was really sanctimonious, and he was really full of himself. He had an ego the size of California. And he always saw himself as a victim. He was constantly griping about how the world shortchanged him, how his brilliance was never given its due. When you take all of that into consideration, you wind up saying, 'Why was I rooting for this guy?'"

"Fifteen years ago, when I was conceiving of Walter White, I looked around and thought, Well, what is current TV? It's mostly good guys," he continued. "But now I'm looking around, thinking, Gee, there's an awful lot of bad guys on TV, and not just on shows but on the news."

"It feels like a world of shit heels now, both in fiction and in real life. I think it's probably time again for a character who doesn't go for the easy money. I'd be very happy if I could write a more old-fashioned hero, someone who is not out for themselves at every turn."

bigblu89 posted...

And Skyler is an adulterer.

bigblu89 posted...

Hank almost wins by default.

Hank fucked a drag queen the night before marrying Marie

It's canon

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Duh lol

Walter White did a lot wrong. He had the money he said he needed to protect his family after his death, and yet he kept going.

didn't Skyler only cheat after finding out what a PoS Walter was?

as far as her cleaning the drug money, I feel like she was put in an impossible situation, where she didn't want to lose her family, but it was still overall wrong.

I guess I'd go - Hank > Skyler >>> Jesse

thronedfire2 posted...

Hank obviously

most women who smoke do so while pregnant because they don't know until a month or two(or more) in

She knew at the time

Doom_Art posted...

Hank fucked a drag queen the night before marrying Marie

It's canon

Now wait where was this cause that's hilarious

The most moral is obviously Hank out of those three. However, I feel like Jesse might be more moral than Skyler. At least later in the series. I have a bit of a soft spot for Jesse though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB4F4FJTGM

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Now wait where was this cause that's hilarious

In the webisode "Wedding Day" there's a flashback where Hank admits it to Walt lol

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Now wait where was this cause that's hilarious

Breaking Bad shorts after season 1,

Don't know if they are canon though since Walt's with Badger in one of them before meeting him in the show.

You can find them online by looking up Breaking Bad minisodes.

Hank and it isn't really close.

Skyler is not only a large albatross on Walt before he gets the cancer diagnosis, but openly joins him in a criminal conspiracy. If she had fled Walt as soon as she learned about the drugs it might have been closer, but she did the opposite.

Hank can be a bit of a jerk at times, but he actively tries to help pretty much everyone but Jesse, who is the main person he holds a grudge against. Obviously the betrayal of Walt made him go full Captain Ahab, but he was in it for the right reasons and ultimately listened to Jesse on how to take him down. In fact, I'm sure he would have had helped Jesse since he would have realized that he was used the same way Hank was (though not to the same extent).

MagnusDJL posted...

Keep in mind that Gretchen was willing to pay a huge sum of money to help with Walt's family, and he refused purely out of ego/bitterness.

He could have entirely helped his family and not let the cancer stuff ruin things as early as Season 1.

Seriously.

Walt's ego was the only reason the show wasn't 8 episodes long.

TheShadowViper posted...

but he actively tries to help pretty much everyone but Jesse

Hank's perspective is if you use drugs then you're low life gutter scum to him. he doesn't have any empathy or compassion for addicts whatsoever. Just so happens that Jesse is the most prominent addict in the cast of characters, but it just represents how he feels about all drug addicts in general.

He's still better than Walt

Let's not ignore Hank's playful racism or how awful he was to Marie when he was injured. Marie's got her own issues no doubt, but he really treated her like shit for a bit. While he was struggling with being too scared to go back to working El Paso and then the physical therapy. Really feel for Marie when she's trying her best and he craps on her. Hank being all pumped up and friendly towards his physical therapist and then immediately being cold towards her once he leaves. Then when she buys him the wrong chips and is excited to give him the fantasy football magazine. Massive asshole.

He's also a prick to Gomez and endangers them both by picking fights with criminals in a bar while intentionally leaving his gun behind. All because he couldn't deal with his own issues.

Best thing is that Hank seems to actually grow. He opens up to Marie more, owns his mistakes as an officer and is more than willing to kill his entire career by turning in Walt.

It's definitely not as simple as people saying "obviously Hank" considering he's racist as shit, more than willing to use his badge to strong-arm, and treated his wife like absolute shit

Trying to argue who the "good guy" is in Breaking Bad is missing the point of the show. None of them are the good guy.

It comes down to Hank beating the shit out of Jesse and getting pissy with Marie vs Skylar cheating and being an accessory to the meth empire.

Pretty easy to go with Hank.

Gwynevere posted...

It's definitely not as simple as people saying "obviously Hank" considering he's racist as shit, more than willing to use his badge to strong-arm, and treated his wife like absolute shit

Trying to argue who the "good guy" is in Breaking Bad is missing the point of the show. None of them are the good guy.

I'll entertain your statement as I haven't watched it in a long time... But when is Hank ever racist?

Nm I remember the tacky Mexican jokes.

Gwynevere posted...

It's definitely not as simple as people saying "obviously Hank" considering he's racist as shit, more than willing to use his badge to strong-arm, and treated his wife like absolute shit

Trying to argue who the "good guy" is in Breaking Bad is missing the point of the show. None of them are the good guy.

nobody is saying Hank is the "good guy". just that being a racist dick, while bad, isn't as bad as peddling life-destroying drugs to addicts and orchestrating/committing dozens of murders.

BettyWhite posted...

I'll entertain your statement as I haven't watched it in a long time... But when is Hank ever racist?

He makes some racist jokes, but they are jokes. I think it is really stretching to say he is racist.

BettyWhite posted...

I'll entertain your statement as I haven't watched it in a long time... But when is Hank ever racist?

He used a lot of racial slurs.
I don't think it makes him racist as shit, it just makes him an asshole. I don't recall him expressing any racist opinions, but it's not really wrong to take the slurs as a sign that he's racist.

Hank was a loving husband, loyal partner, good brother in law, and a great uncle. He never hurt anybody who didn't deserve it, and even though he's a bit bombastic and offensive, his heart was made of gold in the end.

Best character in the show imo

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Not my fault everyone in this show around Walt is framed as a bad guy. He would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for Jesse, who, imo, was the bad guy of the series.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

No, dude, you are wrong lol. Everyone here is explaining why, you took the completely wrong lesson or takeaway from the show. This is getting crazy.

No it wasn't man, that was the entire point of the scene. He finally admitted the truth, as is evident by the MOUNTAINS of evidence from the rest of the series. Holy hell Batman!

Not my fault everyone else is wrong. And the entire point of the scene was to show how much smarter Walt was than anyone else. He's brilliant, a mastermind, and he knew how to twist his own words to be something Skyler would accept for her own good.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Let's take a look at what the literal creator of the show says:

https://www.primetimer.com/news/breaking-bad-no-sympathy-walter-white-vince-gilligan

"The further away I get from Breaking Bad, the less sympathy I have for Walter," said Gilligan. "He got thrown a lifeline early on. And, if he had been a better human being, he would've swallowed his pride and taken the opportunity to treat his cancer with the money his former friends offered him."

"Like, wait a minute, why was this guy so great?" said the creator. "He was really sanctimonious, and he was really full of himself. He had an ego the size of California. And he always saw himself as a victim. He was constantly griping about how the world shortchanged him, how his brilliance was never given its due. When you take all of that into consideration, you wind up saying, 'Why was I rooting for this guy?'"

"Fifteen years ago, when I was conceiving of Walter White, I looked around and thought, Well, what is current TV? It's mostly good guys," he continued. "But now I'm looking around, thinking, Gee, there's an awful lot of bad guys on TV, and not just on shows but on the news."

"It feels like a world of shit heels now, both in fiction and in real life. I think it's probably time again for a character who doesn't go for the easy money. I'd be very happy if I could write a more old-fashioned hero, someone who is not out for themselves at every turn."

Vince isn't very good at knowing his own characters, that's all I'm getting out of this. Walt was the hero, he clearly made him out to be the hero. I was actually annoyed he died in the finale because heroes don't usually die unless it's some bull grimdark version of a story.

Yazarogi posted...

Walter White did a lot wrong. He had the money he said he needed to protect his family after his death, and yet he kept going.

He wanted his family to live more than comfortably, though.

TheShadowViper posted...

He makes some racist jokes, but they are jokes. I think it is really stretching to say he is racist.

Especially considering his best friend is Mexican.. and a fair bit of his coworkers he was joking with.

We need a rating system for racists.

Level 1 - Jokes
Level 5 - Hitler

I'm at work with little time to figure out the other three arbitrary levels I pulled out of my ass.

BettyWhite posted...

Especially considering his best friend is Mexican.. and a fair bit of his coworkers he was joking with.

This is basically "How can I be racist? my best friend is black!" tier logic.

Hank is extremely racist towards Mexicans/Hispanics. He just sees Gomez as one of the "good ones".

Besides his racism, Hank is a brutal cop, a hardcore misogynist and treats his wife like an object throughout the entire series. Hank is a depiction of the worst characteristics of the American policing system, and I'd argue his 'murrican manly man bro energy and its influences on Walt is perhaps one of the reasons why Walter chose to go down the dark path in life that he did.

Think a telling scene for Hank is when he bullies Wendy in front of Flynn. She's a meth head and hooking, but he just calls her over to humiliate her in front of his nephew trying to teach him that drugs are bad. I think that says a lot about who Hank is. On one hand he is clearly trying to do something good for his nephew who he loves. He's trying to "set him straight". On the other he does so by treating a random prostitute with complete disregard as a human being.

https://youtu.be/Rz3qSTZmTn8

Hank's also doing this while falsely believing that Flynn is on pot (which he isn't) and the message he's trying to get across completely fails. If he taught him anything it's probably that it's fine to treat women or drug addicts that way.

Idk man, I think it says a lot that the most harsh criticism one can muster against Hank, in comparison against the other two, is that he's rude. Sure he may have said some mean things about a woman addicted to drugs, but he never sold meth to members of his community and he went to a rehab center just to look for new prospects. Sure he was rude to his wife, but he never cheated on her (well I guess he did in Doom_Art's special), and he never set her up on a path of criminal destruction that destroyed her life and livelihood. So idk man, the people insisting that Hank is the worst one just come off as needlessly nitpicky. The man was never characterized as being Jesus incarnite. He's a scared man with flaws in a dangerous and stressful occupation, but if his racist jokes against Mexicans is enough to put him on par with willingly becoming business partners with cartels and white supremacists then we've really lost the mark here.

GameGodOfAll posted...

Think a telling scene for Hank is when he bullies Wendy in front of Flynn. She's a meth head and hooking, but he just calls her over to humiliate her in front of his nephew trying to teach him that drugs are bad. I think that says a lot about who Hank is. On one hand he is clearly trying to do something good for his nephew who he loves. He's trying to "set him straight". On the other he does so by treating a random prostitute with complete disregard as a human being.

https://youtu.be/Rz3qSTZmTn8

Hank's also doing this while falsely believing that Flynn is on pot (which he isn't) and the message he's trying to get across completely fails. If he taught him anything it's probably that it's fine to treat women or drug addicts that way.

eh, he's a dick sometimes but I think he honestly thought he was teaching his nephew to stay off drugs. Walt Jr had no idea what was going on because he wasn't even smoking pot.

but either way he's not worse than the others. Skyler had an argument right up until she became complicit in Walt's crimes. she easily had enough to take her family and leave when she found out

A_Good_Boy posted...

Idk man, I think it says a lot that the most harsh criticism one can muster against Hank, in comparison against the other two, is that he's rude. Sure he may have said some mean things about a woman addicted to drugs, but he never sold meth to members of his community and he went to a rehab center just to look for new prospects. Sure he was rude to his wife, but he never cheated on her (well I guess he did in Doom_Art's special), and he never set her up on a path of criminal destruction that destroyed her life and livelihood. So idk man, the people insisting that Hank is the worst one just come off as needlessly nitpicky. The man was never characterized as being Jesus incarnite. He's a scared man with flaws in a dangerous and stressful occupation, but if his racist jokes against Mexicans is enough to put him on par with willingly becoming business partners with cartels and white supremacists then we've really lost the mark here.

this lmao

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