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DnDer 07/29/23 12:47:54 PM #201: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... It's not like he was planning to shoot him from the beginning. If he wasn't planning to shoot, he never should have had his gun out. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 07/29/23 12:52:52 PM #202: |
Torgo posted... Exactly. Again... if the dead guy did steal it AND pulled his gun first, I think the truck owner did nothing wrong. I just want the authorities to investigate it and verify he wasn't lying before I determine his innocence. Just making sure that was clear, b/c it seemed like you were against his actions, even if it went down that way. Zimmerman clearly was in the wrong. Trayvon did nothing wrong and was being stalked by a psycho racist w/ a gun. He stood his ground, got murdered for it, and the state let the murderer walk. Trayvon and this situation are nothing alike. Trayvon committed no crimes, let alone stealing directly from Zimmerman. Trayvon wasn't armed with a lethal weapon, but his assailant was. Zimmerman had no fucking justification for anything he did, and even had the authorities on the phone telling him to back the fuck off. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 07/29/23 12:53:15 PM #203: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... The thief stole the truck and caused the initial confrontation. The confrontation didn't begin until the owner went vigilante and began threatening people's loves over a truck. Gobstoppers12 posted... owner was forced to fire his gun in self defense The owner pointed his gun first. How is it self-defense when you're the one with the weapon in hand threatening someone? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gritty 07/29/23 12:54:44 PM #204: |
Kaiganeer posted... seems like a fair, nextKinda yea I mean, if I saw my stolen car and I had a gun on me, Id sure as fuck do that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torgo 07/29/23 12:57:01 PM #205: |
streamofthesky posted... Again... if the dead guy did steal it AND pulled his gun first, I think the truck owner did nothing wrong. This also depends. Did he confront the guy threatening to kill him or with physical violence for stealing his truck? Did the thief act in self preservation? How reliable is the man's testimony? How reliable will police be if they are sympathetic to this kind of vigilante gun justice? DnDer posted... The owner pointed his gun first. How is it self-defense when you're the one with the weapon in hand threatening someone? George Zimmerman got off for the execution of Trayvon Martin because he claimed Martin was trying to take the gun away. It's pretty fucked up how far "2nd amendment" advocates will go to burn the rest of the constitution so they can have their wild west fantasy. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torgo 07/29/23 1:00:01 PM #206: |
streamofthesky posted... Trayvon and this situation are nothing alike. I clearly noted that Martin was just being a normal teenage boy and that this man on the other hand did steal a truck, so don't moralize when I've already been very clear about that. These situations are alike in one way because you have a so-called vigilante acting with what they thought were justified reasons to shoot to kill. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 07/29/23 1:07:27 PM #207: |
Torgo posted... These situations are alike in one way because you have a so-called vigilante acting with what they thought were justified reasons to shoot to kill.In this case, the vigilante didn't shoot until he was being shot at (again, if his claims are true). Using lethal force to defend against lethal force is completely justified. Mind you, I don't own guns and want gun control measures passed. But expecting someone literally being shot at to not shoot back is ridiculous. Also again...was the vigilantism right in the first place? actually fucking matters a lot. If this guy did steal his truck, I'm fine w/ him pursuing after him. He was actually wronged and responded in a reasonable way. (again, the shooting came after, supposedly b/c the thief escalated it) Zimmerman was dead fucking wrong; Trayvon never committed any crimes in the first place. And HE is the one to shoot first against the other person. So no, I don't think the cases have any relevant cross-over at all, unless it turns out the truck owner lied. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 1:09:18 PM #208: |
So kinda like Rittenhouse? Unnecessarily put yourself in a dangerous situation trying to be a hero, and when it goes south, shoot your way out of it and argue the morality of it later. is that what I just read? --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unknown5uspect 07/29/23 1:10:35 PM #209: |
Torgo posted... Did he confront the guy threatening to kill him or with physical violence for stealing his truck?You ever had a gun to your face and not feel threatened? --- #EatTheRich ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Spartan_Jedi117 07/29/23 1:11:24 PM #210: |
To 500? --- WELL, SWEET MOTHER THERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES-BENZ!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 1:12:31 PM #211: |
Unknown5uspect posted... You ever had a gun to your face and not feel threatened? nah my dude but I never stole someones truck either so.. you know.. that old chestnut? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 07/29/23 1:18:31 PM #212: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... So kinda like Rittenhouse?Except it wasn't unnecessary and was, in fact, nothing like Rittenhouse. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlCalavicci 07/29/23 1:20:06 PM #213: |
tag --- Sent from my AI Chatbot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 1:26:10 PM #214: |
RuneterranSnap posted... Except it wasn't unnecessary and was, in fact, nothing like Rittenhouse.It was very unnecessary Especially after he had called the police and shouldve let them handle it. Youre right, its not like Rittenhouse. This dude made the conscious decision to confront someone he KNEW was a criminal. So hes even dumber than Rittenhouse. --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Priere 07/29/23 1:28:32 PM #215: |
Dont steal from people. Its not nice. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://i.imgur.com/PmX8smn.gif https://i.imgur.com/mwTy0iF.gif https://i.imgur.com/FCER80e.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 07/29/23 1:33:12 PM #216: |
I'm glad the car owners got his property back and hope they make a full recover. A pity for the thief but you reap what you sow. Hopefully the woman that tagged along with him takes this opportunity to rethink her life and turn it around. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GS4Life 07/29/23 1:35:03 PM #217: |
Meh if jacker is carrying a gun he probably intends to use to kill someone during theft or maybe already had I don't feel any sympathy from him There's been a huge problems with vehicular theft and lethal force being use by the theives if they get killed in return because of it that's on them. --- -Grove Street 4 Life- Hey Bayley! Oh! Ah! I wanna know! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 07/29/23 1:42:29 PM #218: |
GS4Life posted... Meh if jacker is carrying a gun he probably intends to use to kill someone during theft or maybe already had I don't feel any sympathy from him thats not true they carry the gun to use force to get their way Most Thieves dont want to be murderers --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/29/23 1:43:40 PM #219: |
Car owner is a piece of shit --- Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Core i9-13900k | 64GB DDR5-6000 | RTX 4090 24GB Dell AW3423DW QD-OLED - 1440p Ultrawide, 175hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 1:44:07 PM #220: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... It was very unnecessary You have too much faith in the police my dude. The owner probably didnt trust them because of how inept they have been in recent times and was forced to take action into his own hands. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 07/29/23 1:45:20 PM #221: |
Bleuets posted... You have too much faith in the police my dude. The owner probably didnt trust them because of how inept they have been in recent times and was forced to take action into his own hands. And he got his vehicle back, theres no other action to be had if he didnt trust them --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Klaus343 07/29/23 1:46:33 PM #222: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted... thats not true Clearly this one did, as he fucking shot at someone. --- Pentium 1 @ 133mhz, AT Motherboard, 48 edo RAM, ATI Mach 64 GX 2mb PCI Graphics card, Seagate 402mb HDD, 20x CD Rom, Dataflex ISA Modem (28.8Kps), Windows 95 C ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/29/23 1:47:18 PM #223: |
Klaus343 posted... Clearly this one did, as he fucking shot at someone.Who was holding him at gunpoint. --- Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Core i9-13900k | 64GB DDR5-6000 | RTX 4090 24GB Dell AW3423DW QD-OLED - 1440p Ultrawide, 175hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 07/29/23 1:47:35 PM #224: |
Klaus343 posted... Clearly this one did, as he fucking shot at someone. After he had a gun pointed at him and thats the alleged story --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 1:51:47 PM #225: |
DarthAragorn posted... Who was holding him at gunpoint. Even more reason not to shoot then. I dont know about you, but if I was being held at gunpoint my first instinct would not be to think hmm, maybe I should try shooting this guy who has a gun pointed at me and someone I love. If someone has a gun pointed at you you better fucking do what they say, otherwise you are putting yourself at risk of getting shot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 1:52:25 PM #226: |
Bleuets posted... You have too much faith in the police my dude. The owner probably didnt trust them because of how inept they have been in recent times and was forced to take action into his own hands.I have zero faith in the police im still not gonna risk my own life over something that can be replaced --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 1:53:28 PM #227: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... I have zero faith in the police Exactly, why the fuck did the thief risk his life by trying to shoot his way out of the situation? He should have waited for the cops. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GATTJT 07/29/23 1:53:51 PM #228: |
Bleuets posted... If someone has a gun pointed at you you better fucking do what they say, otherwise you are putting yourself at risk of getting shot.If someone is pointing a gun at you, that risk is already present --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 07/29/23 1:54:41 PM #229: |
Bleuets posted... Even more reason not to shoot then. I dont know about you, but if I was being held at gunpoint my first instinct would not be to think hmm, maybe I should try shooting this guy who has a gun pointed at me and someone I love. other guy was able to shoot back so he wasnt that great --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 1:54:54 PM #230: |
Bleuets posted... Exactly, why the fuck did the thief risk his life by trying to shoot his way out of the situation? He should have waited for the cops.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/8/AAbYPKAAEmla.jpg --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 1:55:00 PM #231: |
GATTJT posted... If someone is pointing a gun at you, that risk is already present If someone has a gun pointed at you, you doing what they say. Its dumb as fuck to try and be a hero and risk your life for no reason. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 07/29/23 1:59:12 PM #232: |
I need to leave this state --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 07/29/23 2:02:09 PM #233: |
So this is an interesting story. If its legal in Texas to use lethal force to recover stolen property then i feel like the thief should be able to defend themself right? If this guy had the wrong truck the driver could just think theyre being carjacked. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ghettoraider81 07/29/23 2:04:06 PM #234: |
thronedfire2 posted... So this is an interesting story. If its legal in Texas to use lethal force to recover stolen property then i feel like the thief should be able to defend themself right? If this guy had the wrong truck the driver could just think theyre being carjacked. He didnt use lethal force to recover stolen property. He found his truck being stolen and performed a citizens arrest and called police, which is well within his legal right. The thief then pulled a gun an attempt to shoot and was shot in kind. --- Win, lose, or tie Oakland Raiders til I die! WHY'S THE RUM GONE! S.M.O.K.E my anti sXe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/29/23 2:06:00 PM #235: |
ghettoraider81 posted... He didnt use lethal force to recover stolen property. He found his truck being stolen and performed a citizens arrest and called police, which is well within his legal right.Citizen's arrest is a real whitewashed way of saying held at fucking gunpoint But if I remember right you were a DeShaun Watson defender so having shit backwards ass opinions is just your style --- Asus ROG Strix Z790-E | Core i9-13900k | 64GB DDR5-6000 | RTX 4090 24GB Dell AW3423DW QD-OLED - 1440p Ultrawide, 175hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 2:07:15 PM #236: |
ghettoraider81 posted... He didnt use lethal force to recover stolen property. He found his truck being stolen and performed a citizens arrest and called police, which is well within his legal right.No it says he tracked him down, not that he caught him in the act. --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 2:09:39 PM #237: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... No it says he tracked him down, not that he caught him in the act. Doesnt matter. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pnut027 07/29/23 2:11:15 PM #238: |
The the owner wont be criminally held liable, the wife does have a strong civil suit on her hands. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 2:12:10 PM #239: |
Bleuets posted... Doesnt matter.It absolutely does --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 2:12:15 PM #240: |
pnut027 posted... The the owner wont be criminally held liable, the wife does have a strong civil suit on her hands. No, she doesnt. She was in a stolen vehicle and her husband started shooting. She wont be able to sue for anything. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 2:12:35 PM #241: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... It absolutely does Nope. I said nope. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 07/29/23 2:13:15 PM #242: |
DnDer posted... If he wasn't planning to shoot, he never should have had his gun out....You can pull your gun out without intending to shoot. The rule of thumb is that you don't put your finger on the trigger unless you're going to shoot. There are tons and tons of incidents of both police and ordinary citizens drawing their guns as a deterrence/control measure without ever intending to shoot--but of course if the need arises, they are able to shoot quickly. I don't know where this "never draw a gun unless you're definitely going to shoot someone with it" concept came from, but it's faulty. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 07/29/23 2:13:19 PM #243: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... Especially after he had called the police and shouldve let them handle it.He had no such obligation. Police are inept and unreliable. He had every right to step in. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 2:15:17 PM #244: |
Bleuets posted... Nope. I said nope.I couldnt give two fucks what you said. Theres a clear difference between catching a criminal in the act, and tracking him down and taking the law into your own hands. --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bleuets 07/29/23 2:16:33 PM #245: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... I couldnt give two fucks what you said. Theres a clear difference between catching a criminal in the act, and tracking him down and taking the law into your own hands. Well, You better start giving a fuck. Because what Im throwing down is truth. You need to accept that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 2:16:46 PM #246: |
RuneterranSnap posted... He had no such obligation. Police are inept and unreliable. He had every right to step in.No. No he didnt. --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 07/29/23 2:16:54 PM #247: |
DarthAragorn posted... Citizen's arrest is a real whitewashed way of saying held at fucking gunpointWe've covred this. He had every right to confront him, and confronting him safely required arming himself. He had no obligation to wait for police. The only people to blame here are the thief for creating the situation and the police for being historically inept. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 07/29/23 2:17:22 PM #248: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... No. No he didnt.Yup he did. You don't get a say in it. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 07/29/23 2:17:28 PM #249: |
ReturnOfThaJedi posted... I couldnt give two fucks what you said. Theres a clear difference between catching a criminal in the act, and tracking him down and taking the law into your own hands.Are you a lawyer in Texas? If not, you might want to stop and consider how laws differ from state to state. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfThaJedi 07/29/23 2:17:44 PM #250: |
Bleuets posted... Well, You better start giving a fuck. Because what Im throwing down is truth. You need to accept that.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/3/AAbYPKAAEtJz.jpg --- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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