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SwayM posted...

Look at why? He swiped almost 29000 times and got less then 500 matcheswho can afford to be choosy with those odds.

The fact that he right swiped 96% of the time is the problem. You understand that, right? It's well known that Tinder will actually lower the visibility of your profile (aka you won't show up when women are swiping) if you just swipe right one everyone.

That should be the real takeaway from these comparisons. You must be choosy, or the app will punish your account and you'll get less matches anyway. But if you're selective, the apps will start showing you women that fit your tastes.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

You are feeling masochistic.

Seems to be.

But since I'm single and was also unsuccesful on dating apps it must mean that I'm a creepy asshole so I will just show myself the door.

NoxObscuras posted...

The fact that he right swiped 96% of the time is the problem. You understand that, right? It's well known that Tinder will actually lower the visibility of your profile (aka you won't show up when women are swiping) if you just swipe right one everyone.

That should be the real takeaway from these comparisons. You must be choosy, or the app will punish your account and you'll get less matches anyway. But if you're selective, the apps will start showing you women that fit your tastes.

This has always been my read on it. Going on tinder and swiping right on everything within sight is not a recipe for success. It's basically spambot behaviour. Engage with the app on appropriate terms and then complain about the stats (which are probably still pretty unfavourable, but not like this.)

NoxObscuras posted...

The fact that he right swiped 96% of the time is the problem. You understand that, right? It's well known that Tinder will actually lower the visibility of your profile (aka you won't show up when women are swiping) if you just swipe right one everyone.

That should be the real takeaway from these comparisons. You must be choosy, or the app will punish your account and you'll get less matches anyway. But if you're selective, the apps will start showing you women that fit your tastes.

I already talked about this. Its absolutely not his problem the deck is stacked this far against him and only kicks him while hes down. If hes not picky, he shouldnt have a harder time dating.

The sides some people choose. Unless youre on tinders payroll, the fuck you siding with its algorithms for.

royic posted...

Unlike women, men frequently put 100% emotional labor on their partners. And don't learn to process feelings. Or maintain friendships. Men are just lonely antisocial things statistically. Without a partner they're in terrible shape and they know it so they're not willing to readily give up.

Not really true according to a quick googling

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9224515/https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/1/AAXQ7ZAAEtcr.jpg

Certain people just don't like to admit men and women are mentally different and men genuinely don't need the robust social webs women do

SwayM posted...

I already talked about this. Its absolutely not his problem the deck is stacked this far against him and only kicks him while hes down. If hes not picky, he shouldnt have a harder time dating.

The sides some people choose. Unless youre on tinders payroll, the fuck you siding with its algorithms for.

Because thats also how people work. Nobody wants to be with somebody who doesnt give a fuck who theyre with.

Youve had this explained to you multiple times by people who dont struggle, but you absolutely refuse to accept that they might have some idea what theyre talking about.

yeah tbh only one of my friends met his significant other on a dating app. the vast majority have used them and thought they sucked and had way more success with conventional ways of meeting women. none of my women friends used dating apps that i know of at least.

Glob posted...

Because thats also how people work. Nobody wants to be with somebody who doesnt give a fuck who theyre with.

Youve had this explained to you multiple times by people who dont struggle, but you absolutely refuse to accept that they might have some idea what theyre talking about.

And Ive explained to you, his swiping data isnt shared to anyone who sees his profile. Youre projecting your own shit here. You dont have a clue.

SwayM posted...

I already talked about this. Its absolutely not his problem the deck is stacked this far against him and only kicks him while hes down. If hes not picky, he shouldnt have a harder time dating.

The sides some people choose. Unless youre on tinders payroll, the fuck you siding with its algorithms for.

Because the dude fucked up the algorithms himself by swiping on nearly every single profile. It's incredibly unlikely that he did it in response to not getting matches, based on the sheer number, which means he was doing it from the beginning. That's literally saying that you don't care who they are, what they like, how much they have in common with you, whatever, and that as long as you don't hate how they look, you'll swipe on anyone. You're clearly not looking for a meaningful connection.

SwayM posted...

And Ive explained to you, his swiping data isnt shared to anyone who sees his profile. Youre projecting your own shit here. You dont have a clue.

How do we know that "I don't give a fuck who" vibe doesn't come off clear in other ways in his profile? You're not giving enough information to make any real claim, you've giving numbers that mean jack shit without context.

You cannot draw any conclusions from a sample size of two.

StealThisSheen posted...

Because the dude fucked up the algorithms himself by swiping on nearly every single profile. It's incredibly unlikely that he did it in response to not getting matches, based on the sheer number, which means he was doing it from the beginning. That's literally saying that you don't care who they are, what they like, how much they have in common with you, whatever, and that as long as you don't hate how they look, you'll swipe on anyone. You're clearly not looking for a meaningful connection.

Some people dont read bios, most women dont even have bios in my experience. Not that that really matters because theres absolutely no good way to gauge someones personality on tinder, the connection is based almost always on looks on Tinder.

This dude is saying hes not picky when it comes to looks and tinder id saying try harder ya fucking looser.

Who gives a shit why hes on it or what hes looking for. We dont know this guy. But what I know for sure is these numbers are bullshit and if the algorithms are fucking him harder for it, its a brutal world out there for a dude.

SwayM posted...

We dont know this guy. But what I know for sure is these numbers are bullshit

You don't see how these two statements conflict? Really?

How do you know the numbers are bullshit if you don't know the guy? How do you know there isn't a specific reason that has to do with him, specifically, for why he isn't getting matches? How do you know he doesn't have something in his profile or his picture that is specifically causing this?

StealThisSheen posted...

How do we know that "I don't give a fuck who" vibe doesn't come off clear in other ways in his profile?

It's just a bizarre theory when these are standard match rates for men. There doesn't need to be anything wrong with the guy.

StealThisSheen posted...

You don't see how these two statements conflict? Really?

How do you know the numbers are bullshit if you don't know the guy? How do you know there isn't a specific reason that has to do with him, specifically, for why he isn't getting matches? How do you know he doesn't have something in his profile or his picture that is specifically causing this?

I guess if it makes you sleep better imaging some swamp beast to justify these numbers then fuck em, right. but I feel for this dude and I think this sort of thing happens to most average guys.

Inohira posted...

It's just a bizarre theory when these are standard match rates for men. There doesn't need to be anything wrong with the guy.

I mean, we already know swiping right on 96~% is not standard, so we're already dealing with an abnormal situation purely from those numbers.

EDIT: A 0.01% match rate also is definitely not standard.

SwayM posted...

I guess if it makes you sleep better imaging some swamp beast to justify these numbers then fuck em, right. but I feel for this dude and I think this sort of thing happens to most average guys.

So, in other words, you came in with an agenda, found numbers that meet said agenda, and refuse to back down or apply any actual logic.

Got it.

SwayM posted...

And Ive explained to you, his swiping data isnt shared to anyone who sees his profile. Youre projecting your own shit here. You dont have a clue.

I dont have a clue? I suppose that will be why Ive managed to be in relationships basically my entire adult life, right? Or why you (as far as Im aware) I seem to have much more similar thinking to the only woman in this thread than you do?

His approach isnt great. Neither is your reasoning. We can tell you where it seems to be going wrong in both cases but all you want to do is stick your fingers in your ears and cry about it not being fair.

StealThisSheen posted...

So, in other words, you came in with an agenda, found numbers that meet said agenda, and refuse to back down or apply any actual logic.

Got it.

And hes being backed up by a 2012 account with 63 karma and 87 active posts.

Hmm

SwayM posted...

but I feel for this dude and I think this sort of thing happens to most average guys.

getting strong "i am the dude" feelings from this one

SwayM posted...

I already talked about this. Its absolutely not his problem the deck is stacked this far against him and only kicks him while hes down. If hes not picky, he shouldnt have a harder time dating.

The sides some people choose. Unless youre on tinders payroll, the fuck you siding with its algorithms for.

It's not kicking him while he's down. It rewards people that actually spend time checking profiles and being picky. This algorithm isn't new, it's been known for years. So if guys still do this and get frustrated, then that's on them. Literally, if he swiped left more, he'd be getting more matches.

It tracks when users exchange phone numbers and can pretty much tell which accounts are being used to make real-life connections and which are used to boost the ego of an over-swiper. If you get too swipe-happy, you may notice your number of matches goes down, as Tinder serves your profile to fewer other users.

source: https://www.vox.com/2019/2/7/18210998/tinder-algorithm-swiping-tips-dating-app-science

StealThisSheen posted...

So, in other words, you came in with an agenda, found numbers that meet said agenda, and refuse to back down or apply any actual logic.

Got it.

And what do we call baseless hypotheticals in a vain attempt to attack this dude?

Thats an ugly ass agenda fam.

SwayM posted...

And what do we call baseless hypotheticals in a vain attempt to attack this dude?

Thats an ugly ass agenda fam.

You know, if youre getting upset because its you, you can just tell us. As much as you like to think were all out to get you, people have tried to offer you genuine insight in this topic.

SwayM posted...

And what do we call baseless hypotheticals in a vain attempt to attack this dude?

Thats an ugly ass agenda fam.

It's not a baseless hypothetical. It's a "We don't have enough information to make the kind of determination that you are making based on literally one user."

But you gotta run with it to make yourself feel better, because grrr women, am I right?

Dark_Arbron posted...

And hes being backed up by a 2012 account with 63 karma and 87 active posts.

Hmm

Ferroseed posted...

getting strong "i am the dude" feelings from this one

For the record Im not dating and I dont have alts. Yall get real ugly over the silliest shit.

If you want to be hateful. God, I can think of so many better outlets.

SwayM posted...

And what do we call baseless hypotheticals in a vain attempt to attack this dude?

Thats an ugly ass agenda fam.

okay now i really think this is the dude

I'm just gonna spell this out, here.

The guy in the image has a swipe rate that is WAAAAAY above average.

He has a match rate that is WAAAAAY below average.

Not only do we not have enough info to make the strong determinations that you, TC, are making, but there is reason to question WHY his stats are so out of step with averages. Because of this, no arguments of value can be made from the limited info supplied, and certainly not the arguments you are trying to make.

SwayM posted...

For the record Im not dating and I dont have alts. Yall get real ugly over the silliest shit.

If you want to be hateful. God, I can think of so many better outlets.

I didnt accuse you of having an alt. I was more implying that the kind of posts youre making are the sort that an old bought/hacked account that spreads incel propaganda would agree with, even if you had nothing to do with it.

NoxObscuras posted...

It's not kicking him while he's down. It rewards people that actually spend time checking profiles and being picky. This algorithm isn't new, it's been known for years. So if guys still do this and get frustrated, then that's on them. Literally, if he swiped left more, he'd be getting more matches.

source: https://www.vox.com/2019/2/7/18210998/tinder-algorithm-swiping-tips-dating-app-science

The app is a money grab. We all know this. Its designed to make you desperate to buy into it.

ai123 posted...

You cannot draw any conclusions from a sample size of two.

That's a sample size of over 30,000 though

Dark_Arbron posted...

I didnt accuse you of having an alt. I was more implying that the kind of posts youre making are the sort that an old bought/hacked account that spreads incel propaganda would agree with, even if you had nothing to do with it.

Look Im not gonna pretend I even know who or what youre talking about.

But for the love of god stop caring about karma and active posts. It couldnt mean any less and trying to discredit people for it is childish.

If you have a problem with the person behind the account. Just say that. Leave the irrelevant metrics out of it.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

That's a sample size of over 30,000 though

This is based on a survey of 30,000 individual profiles? Looked like two people's experience to me.

No account taken of the potential differences between profiles.

But yeah, QED.

I could save yall some time who really wanna challenge these numbers decide something. If they arent the proof you need to see the disparity between men and women then so be it. Its not going to be the end of the discussion or the world for me. Its just one example, thats all it is.

StealThisSheen posted...

It's incredibly unlikely that he did it in response to not getting matches, based on the sheer number, which means he was doing it from the beginning.

This is nonsense that's based on nothing, though. It's been stated earlier in the thread that tinder only lets you swipe 20 or 30 times a day so it's easily possible he was being discriminate at first. He could have had a 50:50 ratio for over two months straight given the numbers provided. In fact, the numbers support this theory better than yours because of the proportion of left:right swipes. Someone with just ~1000 left swipes and ~29,000 right swipes was probably being somewhat choosy for a time and then, after getting nothing, adopted the strategy of just right-swiping everything and then going from there. Makes a hell of a lot more sense given the matches he got.

SwayM posted...

I could save yall some time who really wanna challenge these numbers decide something. If they arent the proof you need to see the disparity between men and women then so be it. Its not going to be the end of the discussion or the world for me. Its just one example, thats all it is.

What is it supposed to show me apart from the fact that this woman was better at filtering out unsuitable matches for herself than that man?

Or that a man can get hundreds of matches and dozens of chats on a dating app?

SwayM posted...

Look Im not gonna pretend I even know who or what youre talking about.

But for the love of god stop caring about karma and active posts. It couldnt mean any less and trying to discredit people for it is childish.

Im referring to post 220.

And weve learned to spot the signs of a hacked/bought account and an alt. The metrics are among those signs, and thus are relevant.

ai123 posted...

What is it supposed to show me apart from the fact that this woman was better at filtering out unsuitable matches for herself than that man?

Or that a man can get hundreds of matches and dozens of chats on a dating app?

Yeah, that is kind of the general point of the topic. On average women will have a much easier time filtering out matches based on the options available to them.

I mean you could also look at the amount of time spent on the app too. She spent 2 and 1/2 months and got a couple hundred matches. vs his 2 and 1/2 years to get 500.

Also I haven't used online dating myself but I'm curious about something. If this dude over-swiping is what's ruining his chances, how does that even work? He's still being served womens' profiles, and he's still able to swipe right on them. What happens then? Do they just not see that he swiped right and thus can't be matched with him? He's just essentially shadow-banned for most of his would-be matches? Makes no sense to me tbh

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

This is nonsense that's based on nothing, though. It's been stated earlier in the thread that tinder only lets you swipe 20 or 30 times a day so it's easily possible he was being discriminate at first. He could have had a 50:50 ratio for over two months straight given the numbers provided. In fact, the numbers support this theory better than yours because of the proportion of left:right swipes. Someone with just ~1000 left swipes and ~29,000 right swipes was probably being somewhat choosy for a time and then, after getting nothing, adopted the strategy of just right-swiping everything and then going from there. Makes a hell of a lot more sense given the matches he got.

It doesn't, though, because overswiping leads to less matches, and since he has both a swipe rate WAY above average for men, and a match rate WAY below average for men, then it suggests the algorithm hit him hard early on, not later.

Again, it's a poor example overall, because his numbers are so out of line with averages to begin with, that nobody should be drawing any conclusions from it. There's simply not enough info there.

StealThisSheen posted...

It doesn't, though, because overswiping leads to less matches, and since he has both a swipe rate WAY above average for men, and a match rate WAY below average for men, then it suggests the algorithm hit him hard early on, not later.

Again, it's a poor example overall, because his numbers are so out of line with averages to begin with, that nobody should be drawing any conclusions from it. There's simply not enough info there.

I agree with your second point, he could just be very unattractive for all we know. Could you or someone else explain to me though how it is that he can be served womens' accounts and be able to swipe right on them but still not be eligible to match with them? Do these sites just put you way back at the end of the line if you do this so that women never see your profile or what

Also your first point doesn't really dispute what I said. Like I said, he could have had a 50:50 ratio for like 2 months at the start before switching to the indiscriminate approach after getting nothing, two months is a long time to be trying for a match but it's not long on the whole. He could have gotten screwed by the algorithm long after trying the choosy approach. Doesn't really make sense to assume he's been doing nothing but right swipes (presumably only river trolls get left swiped then, according to you?), much more reasonable to assume he just gave up at some point like a normal person.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I agree with your second point, he could just be very unattractive for all we know. Could you or someone else explain to me though how it is that he can be served womens' accounts and be able to swipe right on them but still not be eligible to match with them? Do these sites just put you way back at the end of the line if you do this so that women never see your profile or what

Basically. The more you overswipe, the lower down the list you get, so it makes it less likely they'll see you. You can improve it by improving your swipe rate. They do it so people are more likely to see legit potential matches, and not somebody who may be using it as a game, for example.

In his case he's probably screwed for awhile, due to the insanely high swipe rate and number of swipes.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I agree with your second point, he could just be very unattractive for all we know. Could you or someone else explain to me though how it is that he can be served womens' accounts and be able to swipe right on them but still not be eligible to match with them? Do these sites just put you way back at the end of the line if you do this so that women never see your profile or what

That's pretty much what it does, yeah. A match is when you both like one another's profile. So if you like a profile that hasn't seen you yet, then you have to wait to find out if they will like your profile too. But they can't like you back if they never actually see your profile.