Current Events > Tinder analytics between a 22 year old man and 22 woman

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It's unproductive to argue about which side has it worse or to lament how cruel and uncaring the dating world is for men or young men. Meaningless advice like "just be a cool/respectful/normal dude" can also be safely ignored. People are generally who they are and if you aren't the sort of person who falls into relationships, then there's gonna need to be some change, and change is real effort.

StealThisSheen posted...

He has a 96~% swipe rate, and a 1.5~% match rate. It would be EXTREMELY hard to hit that if you were being choosy at any point, though. Logically, he would have gotten a higher match rate in the time he'd be doing it legit, right?

Not necessarily, he could have had bad luck from the beginning, especially since he likely improved his profile at some point. I mean he was trying for nearly 3 years, hard to believe he didn't try to make it look better at some point. You also have to realize his chats are only like 1/3 of his matches, so he didn't even necessarily have good luck after matching.

Really his luck is so bad here it's totally plausible he was actually trying to use the app the "right" way at first. That also just makes more sense to me, I struggle to imagine a guy using a dating app for nearly 3 years and swiping right on everything from the beginning, that seems absurd

Will_VIIII posted...

Since the split tends to be 2/3rds men across all apps, this means that at least half of the men are going to have a hard time even getting matches.

Data also supports that its right wing men tend to get by far the least amount of matches, and given the way things played out the last couple years that isn't surprising. They can't even get dates on right wing centric apps like "The Right Stuff"

The checklist nature of dating apps disfavors republican guys but fwiw they do just fine in the real world on that front and actually have more sex than liberals

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sex-and-dating/republicans-more-sex-democrats-survey
Kinda makes sense when you think of the profile of the gigachad type who skews the average way up

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

The checklist nature of dating apps disfavors republican guys but fwiw they do just fine in the real world on that front and actually have more sex than liberals

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sex-and-dating/republicans-more-sex-democrats-survey
Kinda makes sense when you think of the profile of the gigachad type who skews the average way up

Red states tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates so that's likely a factor.

But I also don't trust some of the claims in the article either

And nothing seems to be sourced, or sample sizes etc.

Will_VIIII posted...

Red states tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates so that's likely a factor.

The article addresses this, dems had sex at 16 or under at 38%, repubs at 34%

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

The checklist nature of dating apps disfavors republican guys but fwiw they do just fine in the real world on that front and actually have more sex than liberals

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sex-and-dating/republicans-more-sex-democrats-survey
Kinda makes sense when you think of the profile of the gigachad type who skews the average way up

not sure such an open ended survey is super reliable for that kind of thing.

Will_VIIII posted...

But I also don't trust some of the claims in the article either

And nothing seems to be sourced, or sample sizes etc.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2020- skyn-condoms-annual-survey-explores-the-phases-of-intimacy-300998473.html

The SKYN Sex & Intimacy Survey was conducted by Wakefield Research (www.wakefieldresearch.com) among 2,000 nationally representative males and females in the U.S. ages 18-39

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Which is the problem.

People in large cities (which skew liberal) tend to get married later on in life than in small towns/the Midwest. So that might explain, in part, conservatives having more consistent sex in their 20s

Intro2Logic posted...

People in large cities (which skew liberal) tend to get married later on in life than in small towns/the Midwest. So that might explain, in part, conservatives having more consistent sex in their 20s

Conservatives view short term hookups as a win, despite their beliefs being to get and stay married as early as possible.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Conservatives view short term hookups as a win, despite their beliefs being to get and stay married as early as possible.

The only thing that conservatives believe is that THEY should be able to do whatever they want, and everyone else should only be able to do what they allow them to.

ScazarMeltex posted...

There is no "moderate" take on this. The only reasonable take is that people can date who they want, when they want. If that means dudes have a hard time on apps, then tough shit.

No the reasonable take is, "men significantly outnumber women on dating apps, so it's only natural that men generally experience low match rates, and that should not come as a shock."

The two extremes are, on one side, "dating apps suck for men because women are entitled and have unusually high standards" and, on the other side, "dating apps suck for men because they're desperate spammers with terrible profiles only looking for sex." These are unsubstantiated claims because the gender disparity alone accounts for the rates, without requiring personal attacks on either party.

And then there's people like you just being plain dismissive. I imagine there are plenty of social issues you wouldn't take kindly to people dropping a "tough shit" on even though they technically don't need to be fixed either; even in the absence of a solution, empathy is a thing.

I wouldnt say it sucks for everybody, but it does seem to suck for the vast majority.

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Fair. Perhaps that was a needlessly petty clarification on my part. I apologise.

Did someone say 22?

andel posted...

no, your argument has been that men have it so bad and you backpedaled into claiming your argument was only about one specific age bracket when your own statistics destroyed your narrative. guess what? your own statistics still destroy your attempted narrative since the majority of men in the specific age bracket don't want a relationship according to your own stats lmao

Yall. You literally just have to read the statistics. Youre wrong. Its easy to accept that.

Among Americans who are single, the largest share 57% say they are not currently looking for a relationship or casual dates.

A little more than half of single people say theyre not looking. However, this stat is including all genders and age groups, btw.

Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same.

This has been posted before but needs to be posted again apparently because of a lack of understanding. Half of the single men are looking.

but this next part further proves you wrong about the age brackets.

Younger singles are also more likely than older singles to say they are currently looking for dates and/or a relationship. Some 57% of unpartnered adults under 50 say this, compared with 36% of those 50 to 64 and 16% of those 65 and older.

The majority of young adult men are looking for a relationship.

Please stop embarrassing yourself by misunderstanding or trying to falsify the information. You dont have to dig yourself into a bigger hole.

Now if you wanted to argue the amount of single people looking for relationships is decreasing across the board, the evidence does show that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/7/AAB3ooAAEtlX.jpg

For women the difference is negligible. For men its a fairly sharp decline. Imho I might attribute this to men being more frustrated with the dating experience. But thats open to interpretation.

Im ignoring you because you chose to ignore the point of the data and instead chose to misrepresent it based on a metric that absolutely doesnt matter for one second in this discussion. No one but you seems to care if someone is interested in a relationship or something casual. It literally doesnt matter. It doesnt change anything. The only reason you care, is you think it changes the data. It doesnt. The discussion is about actively dating, the rest is splitting hairs like I said before.

Its very transparent. Thats something you do in almost every argument Ive seen you in. Even when youre proven wrong with stone cold facts, you try and change the goalposts. And since I dont respect the way you argue so Im not going to further waste my time with you. The only thing youre embarrassing is yourself.

SwayM posted...

No one but you seems to care if someone is interested in a relationship or something casual. It literally doesnt matter. It doesnt change anything.

Do you think there's a disparity between men and women in whether they are looking for casual hookups vs serious relationships?

SwayM posted...

The only thing youre embarrassing is yourself.

Lol. Almost everyone can see how much you continually embarrass yourself. Maybe you should listen to people who can actually get dates.

SwayM posted...

Im ignoring you because you chose to ignore the point of the data and instead chose to misrepresent it based on a metric that absolutely doesnt matter for one second in this discussion. No one but you seems to care if someone is interested in a relationship or something casual. It literally doesnt matter. It doesnt change anything. The only reason you care, is you think it changes the data. It doesnt. The discussion is about actively dating, the rest is splitting hairs like I said before.

Its very transparent. Thats something you do in almost every argument Ive seen you in. Even when youre proven wrong with stone cold facts, you try and change the goalposts. And since I dont respect the way you argue so Im not going to further waste my time with you. The only thing youre embarrassing is yourself.

And of course, the fact that youre so clearly right is why everybody is jumping to your defence and arguing against her.

Oh wait

COVxy posted...

Do you think there's a disparity between men and women in whether they are looking for casual hookups vs serious relationships?

The data doesnt define casual as hookups btw. It specifies
Committed and romantic relationship only and
casual dates

That doesnt sound to me like hookups. I think it could. just mean dating multiple people at once vs having one serious relationship.

I dont think in the grand scheme of this discussion its really matters to be super granular about what exactly someone is trying to get out of the relationship, even if it is casual sex.

Glob posted...

And of course, the fact that youre so clearly right is why everybody is jumping to your defence and arguing against her.

Oh wait

This argument went on for 80 posts before I posted into it today lol

Alright I figured it out fellas.

We need to take the days of the guy, and divide it by the days of the girl, then take that number and divide the swipes of the guy by the number we got. Probably.

And the guy like swiped 500 more times than the girl. Or something.

Alright I figured it out. You can all shower me with praise.

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See you dont. Because youre so off the mark it isnt funny.

Lets rewind.

You said: women are being driven off the apps.
I said: Thats heresy. Here is some data shows a literal difference in the size of the potential dating pools between the sexes.

Thats why data was brought into this discussion.

You, then tried to twist the data and misinterpret it it from every available opportunity henceforth.

You took the wrong figures from the data and said it didnt support my conclusion. I countered with the actual figures in black and white, which had you read a little rather down you would have seen. I once again was using the data correctly to prove my point.

then you tried to change the goalposts. Making it about causal vs committed. And again. That never once changed the point I was making and why the data was brought into this discussion.

The actual point, which the data continues to prove again and again no matter how you try to change it. There are only 30% available women to 50% available men. Men are going to have a harder time dating on or off the apps no matter which way you try and slice it or how hard you spin the data.

Seriously. Again. I do this for a living.

Yikes.

TC is just determined to get his topic to 500.

youre 100% right. Its here in black and white.

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SwayM posted...
You are trying very hard and claiming I didnt read it, yet:

Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same.

You attempted to spin the data using the percentage of all single men and women across all age brackets. Also tried to dismiss the younger age brackets, the one most relevant to this discussion.

Beyond that. You also failed to grasp the actual important stat being recognized here. Single and looking men vs women, and that massive disparity is very relevant to this discussion.

And then you think getting into the weeds about casual vs committed is somehow going to change the data in your favour. It didnt.

You tried to spin the statistics, you werent successful. Im sorry. And yeah I mean it makes total sense why you would be so extra be as verbose as possible. You are very much trying to prove yourself here but the harder youre try the worse it looks.

I got you in checkmate (said 3 times) and that story is some of the more desperate and cringey shit Ive seen on this board. If this is your job, I would be embarrassed too if I swung and missed on a very simple point being madeand then kept digging.

I guess he can continue not getting any matches and cry about it

Sweet Jesus.

I knew there had to be a defined fallacy in how you argue.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

You always do this when you start losing debates. I see it so often and thats precisely why I try not to engage with you, I know exactly how its going to end. Some of the worst verbal diarrhoea and distraction techniques Ive ever seen. Which is absolutely done on purpose to mask the point youve lost and wear out the other person.

The exhausting part of it definitely works, but its absolutely not clouding the reality that you lost the point very clearly. I dont need to say anything else I havent already said. You just get it all out and work out those demons, you dont need me for that.

Yeah, dating is pretty stacked against dudes nowadays, especially if you're not white.

archedsoul posted...

Yeah, dating is pretty stacked against dudes nowadays, especially if you're not white.

Say what now

archedsoul posted...

Yeah, dating is pretty stacked against dudes nowadays, especially if you're not white.

I'm not white and I always had at minimum, a conversation going on an app from spring of 2021 - fall of 2022.

SwayM posted...

Sweet Jesus.

I knew there had to be a defined fallacy in how you argue.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

You always do this when you start losing debates. I see it so often and thats precisely why I try not to engage with you, I know exactly how its going to end. Some of the worst verbal diarrhoea and distraction techniques Ive ever seen. Which is absolutely done on purpose to mask the point youve lost and wear out the other person.

The exhausting part of it definitely works, but its absolutely not clouding the reality that you lost the point very clearly. I dont need to say anything else I havent already said. You just get it all out and work out those demons, you dont need me for that.

Dude, youve been completely owned and everybody can see it but you.