Current Events > We can mock Elon all we want, but we should be terrified of X and Starlink

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It's truly alarming just how badly Musk wishes to control global communications, and what people can and cannot be allowed to see and say.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/2/AAN5R1AAEt56.jpg

And that's not even getting into Neuralink, Musk's would-be brain implants

I would support the federal government seizing starlink in the name of national security. But it won't be successful in the long run Musk is an idiot and like all his ideas it will eventually fail.

HylianFox posted...

And that's not even getting into Neuralink, Musk's would-be brain implants

Nobody takes that company seriously. Its seen as a joke.

TonyKojima posted...

But it won't be successful in the long run Musk is an idiot and like all his ideas it will eventually fail.

So? Trump is an idiot and look how badly he's fucked up American political discourse

HylianFox posted...

So? Trump is an idiot and look how badly he's fucked up American political discourse

Yes no arguments there but the saving grace is that he is an idiot. Imagine if trump was intelligent and educated?

TonyKojima posted...

Nobody takes that company seriously. Its seen as a joke.

The FDA gave them approval to begin human trials

I want no parts of that shit

Conservatives: The vaccine has microchips in it!
Musk: I will literally put a chip in your brain
Conservatives: daddy plz

The sooner people realize social media wholly unnecessary, the better. Musk is certainly a step towards that. The only pro to it is either as an advertisement platform, or being too lazy to check out an actual news website.

R_Jackal posted...

The sooner people realize social media wholly unnecessary, the better. Musk is certainly a step towards that. The only pro to it is either as an advertisement platform, or being too lazy to check out an actual news website.

Eh, I've been using Twitter primarily as a way to get news about federal trials that pretty much never allow the media to record things. A number of reporters in Washington, DC have been posting details as they happen in the January 6th trials.

X is supposedly going to be turned into a one stop app where you can literally do everything including shopping and banking.

Elon in charge of everything media based thats a scary fucking thought.

He'll fail on that front so I'm not really worried.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/0/AADYzzAAEt6M.jpg

R_Jackal posted...

The sooner people realize social media wholly unnecessary, the better. Musk is certainly a step towards that. The only pro to it is either as an advertisement platform, or being too lazy to check out an actual news website.

Gamefaqs and all message boards are part of the social media tree. Social media is literally adding a social aspect to media, it will never go away as long as people use the internet.

TonyKojima posted...

I would support the federal government seizing starlink in the name of national security.

Why in the world would you ever want a state owned ISP? Why in the world would you justify that with the "in the name of national security" excuse?

Damn_Underscore posted...

Gamefaqs and all message boards are part of the social media tree. Social media is literally adding a social aspect to media, it will never go away as long as people use the internet.

That doesn't make it necessary. Most people have become validation seeking neanderthals incapable of backing an opinion without pointing to Twitter these days, like it's actually something that matters.

R_Jackal posted...

That doesn't make it necessary. Most people have become validation seeking neanderthals incapable of backing an opinion without pointing to Twitter these days, like it's actually something that matters.

Ehh while it is a problem, I don't know if I'd say most people (>50%) rely on Twitter for their opinions..

R_Jackal posted...

The sooner people realize social media wholly unnecessary, the better. Musk is certainly a step towards that. The only pro to it is either as an advertisement platform, or being too lazy to check out an actual news website.

Another person who can't see past "Social media bad!" to see why Elon fucking up Twitter is a very bad thing.

Social media is a good thing. We're having some growing pains right now because people who were very sheltered their entire lives now have a window into the entire world and the range of cultural differences can scare more conservative minds. Like everything else with constant exposure these things will be normalised and eventually people will just gtf over it and mellow tf out.

Sad_Face posted...

Why in the world would you ever want a state owned ISP? Why in the world would you justify that with the "in the name of national security" excuse?

Because the U.S. private system is a series of monopolies, there are literally areas with only one choice of ISP the free market in the U.S. for telecoms has been a dismal failure.

g7g7g7g7 posted...

Because the U.S. private system is a series of monopolies, there are literally areas with only one choice of ISP the free market in the U.S. for telecoms has been a dismal failure.

But why should making it state owned be the suggested solution? And didn't the government have a hand in enabling this monopoly? I recall Google Fiber getting blocked multiple times from expanding due to lobbying.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Another person who can't see past "Social media bad!" to see why Elon fucking up Twitter is a very bad thing.

Elon treats his workers like crap, but Twitter is better now than it was before. Remember how the previous owners would censor and control everything?

Chillscream123 posted...

Elon treats his workers like crap, but Twitter is better now than it was before. Remember how the previous owners would censor and control everything?

Bullshit

Chillscream123 posted...

Elon treats his workers like crap, but Twitter is better now than it was before. Remember how the previous owners would censor and control everything?

I don't remember that - what topics did they censor and control?

Ruvan22 posted...

I don't remember that - what topics did they censor and control?

Giving warning notices spreading lies regarding Covid and the 2020 election.

Blame the people who can't help themselves but to put Twitter (X) on a pedestal.

The people that claim to hate what Musk is doing but continue to use his platform is why Musk has the power he has with the platform. Same to those who run around claiming Twitter is news and promoting the world needs it but also claim to dislike Musk.

You have some who even instead of posting the source material, they will post a tweet that literally has the source link inside the tweet.

Waaaay too many think Twitter is the ultimate or great source of news and will happily regurgitate whatever they saw on Twitter.

Chillscream123 posted...

Elon treats his workers like crap, but Twitter is better now than it was before. Remember how the previous owners would censor and control everything?

Can you please go back to being warned? That was a better time for everyone.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Can you please go back to being warned? That was a better time for everyone.

Sorry. Not going to happen. You'll just have to learn how to debate and disagree respectfully like everyone else.

Chillscream123 posted...

Elon treats his workers like crap, but Twitter is better now than it was before. Remember how the previous owners would censor and control everything?

Even if that was true, the current owner is still censoring and controlling everything, except now he's also pushing his far-right ideology on the site.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Even if that was true, the current owner is still censoring and controlling everything.

What he (chillscream) said is not even remotely true for the exact reason you just laid out.

He's a simp for Musk.

Chillscream123 posted...

Sorry. Not going to happen. You'll just have to learn how to debate and disagree respectfully like everyone else.

Ruvan22 posted...

I don't remember that - what topics did they censor and control?

You can't say that after dodging the question.

Hey I don't have a Twitter. I just read the news. But I was under the impression that - even if Musk is still petulant and still has censorship on Twitter - the rules that do exist currently are more lenient than the ones that existed before.

Samus will save us from X

Solar_Crimson posted...

Even if that was true, the current owner is still censoring and controlling everything, except now he's also pushing his far-right ideology on the site.

I miss the day when "censorship" meant that people posting child porn would get banned instead of being welcomed to the comminity.

Chillscream123 posted...

Hey I don't have a Twitter. I just read the news. But I was under the impression that - even if Musk is still petulant and still has censorship on Twitter - the rules that do exist currently are more lenient than the ones that existed before.

So you don't know and your opinion is irrelevant.

DrizztLink posted...

So you don't know and your opinion is irrelevant.

It means I don't have a Twitter account so I'm a non-biased party.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685366045899444224

Chillscream123 posted...

It means I don't have a Twitter account so I'm a non-biased party.

That doesn't make you unbiased in the slightest.

First off, you said you get news from Twitter.
Second even if we humor you that you aren't lying on having an account, and ignore your direct words that said you get news from Twitter.....that still wouldn't make you an unbiased party. Bias is not contingent on you having an account with Twitter.

asdf8562 posted...

That doesn't make you unbiased in the slightest.

First off, you said you get news from Twitter.
Second even if we humor you that you aren't lying on having an account, and ignore your direct words that said you get news from Twitter.....that still wouldn't make you an unbiased party. Bias is not contingent on you having an account with Twitter.

I don't get the news from Twitter. You misinterpreted what I said. I meant that I heard from various sources that Twitter was supposed to be free now. It was widely advertised.

Chillscream123 posted...

Hey I don't have a Twitter. I just read the news. But I was under the impression that - even if Musk is still petulant and still has censorship on Twitter - the rules that do exist currently are more lenient than the ones that existed before.

So
A) You trust the news source that's making that claim?
B) Do you have a link to "rules are more lenient"? You said previous ones "censored and controlled", which is pretty large claim, a link showing as such seems pretty important.

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Chillscream123 posted...

I don't get the news from Twitter. You misinterpreted what I said. I meant that I heard from various sources that Twitter was supposed to be free now. It was widely advertised.

Okay the "various sources"

Chillscream123 posted...

I don't get the news from Twitter. You misinterpreted what I said. I meant that I heard from various sources that Twitter was supposed to be free now. It was widely advertised.

Like I said before, even if we humor you that you aren't lying on having an account, or getting your news from Twitter..... hell it doesnt matter whatever these so called various sources are...... that still wouldn't make you an unbiased party. Bias is not contingent on you having an account with Twitter.

Sad_Face posted...

But why should making it state owned be the suggested solution? And didn't the government have a hand in enabling this monopoly? I recall Google Fiber getting blocked multiple times from expanding due to lobbying.

Its expansion got delayed due to lawsuits from other companies, who were trying to stifle competition.

https://who13.com/news/west-des-moines-mediacom-settle-lawsuit-filed-over-google-fiber-deal/amp/

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/07/13/google-fiber-nashville-broadband-fcc/782880002/

Chillscream123 posted...

It was widely advertised.

Are you this credulous about every ad you see?

"Twitter/social media is unimportant"
Said the nerd who was completely out of touch with and isolated from the rest of society.

Strand posted...

Its expansion got delayed due to lawsuits from other companies, who were trying to stifle competition.

https://who13.com/news/west-des-moines-mediacom-settle-lawsuit-filed-over-google-fiber-deal/amp/

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/07/13/google-fiber-nashville-broadband-fcc/782880002/

So Google Fiber is gonna roll across the nation? FREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!

https://hbr.org/2018/09/why-google-fiber-is-high-speed-internets-most-successful-failure

The goal was to disrupt monopolies, not necessarily to expand nationwide. Incumbent companies tried to block it, but are being forced to be more competitive.

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/exclusive-google-fiber-plans-5-state-growth-spurt-biggest-since-2015-2022-08-10/

They've resumed their expansion, but still don't plan a nationwide rollout.

Block_that_Kick posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/0/AADYzzAAEt6M.jpg

This is great. Holmes is in jail for doing the same crime that Musk has, with Musk actually committing that crime more times and on larger scales.

COVxy posted...

"Twitter/social media is unimportant"
Said the nerd who was completely out of touch with and isolated from the rest of society.

Something can be both unimportant/unnecessary AND useful. Hard concept to understand, I know. I don't need to like a hammer to know it's a better tool for driving a nail than a rock.
Solar_Crimson posted...

Another person who can't see past "Social media bad!" to see why Elon fucking up Twitter is a very bad thing.

Oh no, I understand. I just don't care. IRC, AIM, MySpace, FaceBook(sorta? Not really though), all fell with very little actual impact to the Internet. Twitter falling would be a similar impact of "OH NO! ... Anyways" as people just piled on to the next thing with some scattering for a while. If I'm being honest I don't care about the impact on advertisement and business, but I understand it. It would likely follow something similar.

Advertisement is not why people think Twitter is important, and that statement is a shining example of you coming off as an out of touch nerd when talking about this.

Just maybe take a moment to consider that you simply don't understand its use cases because you classified it as a shithole of dum dum lefties and have never tried to understand what it provides.

Facebook getting demolished instsntly would have a far lesser impact than twitter's slow gurglung demise.

COVxy posted...

Advertisement is not why people think Twitter is important, and that statement is a shining example of you coming off as an out of touch nerd when talking about this.

Just maybe take a moment to consider that you simply don't understand its use cases because you classified it as a shithole of dum dum lefties and have never tried to understand what it provides.

Facebook getting demolished instsntly would have a far lesser impact than twitter's slow gurglung demise.

I do understand. Workplace communications, community outreach, government offices, police departments, news outlets both independent and not, the applications of Twitter are almost literally endless in the modern world. And also completely inconsequential. It's comfortable, and old, like a home on the web where you can talk to the world in the blink of an eye. Not to mention all the numbers application tie ins that I would likely die of old age trying to list before I got anywhere. But it can all be summed up with one word: Twitter does information.

All shit that has been done by every titan of the Internet, each time bigger. If it vanished tomorrow there would be chaos for a month or so and everyone would settle in to the next big thing.

Saying "Twitter can be replaced by Twitter" is not nearly as clever as you think it is when there's no Twitter.

People have been attempting to build up other apps for the same purpose and it has all failed because it's really hard to get people to adopt a new service when everything is precarious. Elon took one of the most effective tools to disseminate information and destroyed it to promote right-wing fascism. That's actually very bad.