Current Events > We can mock Elon all we want, but we should be terrified of X and Starlink

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Other platforms exists, people who claim to hate Musk or what he's doing to Twitter just refuse to take Twitter off its mile high pedestal and move on to existing platforms out there.

COVxy posted...

Saying "Twitter can be replaced by Twitter" is not nearly as clever as you think it is when there's no Twitter.

People have been attempting to build up other apps for the same purpose and it has all failed because it's really hard to get people to adopt a new service when everything is precarious. Elon took one of the most effective tools to disseminate information and destroyed it to promote right-wing fascism. That's actually very bad.

That's your own viewpoint that I'm saying Twitter can replace Twitter. It's a chat service by and large, a massive global chatroom. The fact that people rely on one singular place to get their information instead of putting in a modicum of work is problematic enough if I'm being completely honest. If that's what you're concerned about, news feeds are built in to literally everything these days, and a search on any engine available will get you to your preferred source of information, or maybe some your never even knew of.

Being afraid of the Boogeyman of disinformation as a regular civilian is just saying you don't hold yourself accountable and never question yourself, which is an incredibly awful way to live.

R_Jackal posted...

Being afraid of the Boogeyman of disinformation as a regular civilian is just saying you don't hold yourself accountable and never question yourself, which is an incredibly awful way to live.

It's worse than that. A lot of these peeps talking about fighting disinformation act as if they're the only ones intelligent enough discern the truth from false information and people who are rightwing are brain washed or not intelligent enough to make sense of and validate claims that come their way.

They're not even arguing in good faith regarding fighting dis/misinformation/whatever when Twitter has been shadowbanning accounts on behalf of government officials and Twitter even pushed Popular California cultural trends to the top of the algorithm in other countries despite no one having any organic interests in them. When Musk bought the site, those cultural trends and beliefs faded into oblivion. Musk still kowtows to government officials unfortunately.

Now cue the usual posters who can't comprehend my posts but want to label me as X/Y/Z anyhow.

Sad_Face posted...

It's worse than that. A lot of these peeps talking about fighting disinformation act as if they're the only ones intelligent enough discern the truth from false information and people who are rightwing are brain washed or not intelligent enough to make sense of and validate claims that come their way.

They're not even arguing in good faith regarding fighting dis/misinformation/whatever when Twitter has been shadowbanning accounts on behalf of government officials and Twitter even pushed Popular California cultural trends to the top of the algorithm in other countries despite no one having any organic interests in them. When Musk bought the site, those cultural trends and beliefs faded into oblivion. Musk still kowtows to government officials unfortunately.

Now cue the usual posters who can't comprehend my posts but want to label me as X/Y/Z anyhow.

As someone who I guess would be in the center, admittedly left leaning, yeah. There's a definite problem on the Internet with everyone "fighting the good fight" and just forgetting to wonder why these days.

Dis/misinformation is a horrible thing that can have enormous effects, but a lot of people see pure malice in it and argue solely to prove that they're right.

I never understood why Twitter was put on a pedestal. Any singular source that is even a quarter as dominant as it has become is going to be subject to someone, somewhere, tweaking it to suit their vision. Anyone out to make money out of something like Twitter is going to pander to wherever they see the money is, and that can change with management(as is currently being seen. Personal opinions aside I believe we can agree that's what Musk was trying to do).

Dunno. I've always tried to get my information and always assume I'm never getting the whole picture, so if it's something I care about I dig in more usually from a variety of sources. Not to say I don't have my own biases, I still dismiss things and even end up on the wrong side of things because of it. Just feel like certain aspects of discussion that are incredibly important are fading away and so few care.

TonyKojima posted...

Yes no arguments there but the saving grace is that he is an idiot. Imagine if trump was intelligent and educated?

If Trump had been intelligent and educated he likely would have avoided most of Trumps talking points assuming it'd be political suicide. It wasn't until Trump bumbled and bigoted his way to President that Republicans realized their base really is that stupid and racist.

R_Jackal posted...

I never understood why Twitter was put on a pedestal. Any singular source that is even a quarter as dominant as it has become is going to be subject to someone, somewhere, tweaking it to suit their vision. Anyone out to make money out of something like Twitter is going to pander to wherever they see the money is, and that can change with management(as is currently being seen. Personal opinions aside I believe we can agree that's what Musk was trying to do).

Dunno. I've always tried to get my information and always assume I'm never getting the whole picture, so if it's something I care about I dig in more usually from a variety of sources. Not to say I don't have my own biases, I still dismiss things and even end up on the wrong side of things because of it. Just feel like certain aspects of discussion that are incredibly important are fading away and so few care.

It's put on a pedestal because it monopolizes the main outlets of communication to the point where people refuse to be creative and look for alternatives. While I doubt Musk will fail and end up causing the collapse of Twitter, there are multiple clones out there like it in addition to tons of investors and developers are salivating at the opportunity of replacing it using more innovative technologies.

And yeah, the US nation has become so polarized over the past decade that it's extremely difficult to have a meaningful conversation without people shutting out the opposite side. It's awful.

Sad_Face posted...

there are multiple clones out there like it in addition to tons of investors and developers are salivating at the opportunity of replacing it using more innovative technologies.

It's not technology that draws people to Twitter, any more than it draws people here. It's communities. People have an audience or accounts they follow that can't be replicated on other outlets because those people aren't on other outlets: they're on Twitter.

Chillscream123 posted...

Sorry. Not going to happen. You'll just have to learn how to debate and disagree respectfully like everyone else.

Disagree implies that there's two valid viewpoints.

Twitter is a better place for awful people nowadays, which makes it objectively worse for everyone that doesn't suck shit through bricks.

Antifar posted...

It's not technology that draws people to Twitter, any more than it draws people here. It's communities. People have an audience or accounts they follow that can't be replicated on other outlets because those people aren't on other outlets: they're on Twitter.

Those same communities would exist without Twitter. If the subject of them(be it influencer, company, side hustle business, news outlets, the mom n pop shop in town) moves somewhere else the community will likely move as well. It's basically been proven over the entire history of the Internet. All of them? Maybe not. But chances are there's lots of dead accounts/people that don't care or know they're following or just don't care at all any more still there. Just how social media has always worked.

Ruvan22 posted...

So
A) You trust the news source that's making that claim?
B) Do you have a link to "rules are more lenient"? You said previous ones "censored and controlled", which is pretty large claim, a link showing as such seems pretty important.

Chillscream, did you find the various sources saying there was less censorship and control?

Ruvan22 posted...

Chillscream, did you find the various sources saying there was less censorship and control?

Not really. Anecdotes on perceived leniency. From what I understand, Musk didn't actually change the TOS much.

Chillscream123 posted...

Not really. Anecdotes on perceived leniency. From what I understand, Musk didn't actually change the TOS much.

Are you willing to change your understanding?

Block_that_Kick posted...

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Ruvan22 posted...

Are you willing to change your understanding?

I always follow the evidence and facts. But I do tend to give the benefit of the doubt when somebody claims to have a good idea to make things better.

TonyKojima posted...

I would support the federal government seizing starlink in the name of national security. But it won't be successful in the long run Musk is an idiot and like all his ideas it will eventually fail.

Starlink and SpaceX are pretty successful, I don't think they will fail.

Reasonable to be skeptical of Telsa, Neuralink, Boring Company and X though.

Especially Tesla. Their valuation is based off of the potential of self driving software, but other companies are quickly catching up on the EV front. If self-driving doesn't work, everyone else is poised to eat their lunch. Only real advantage he has at this point is the manufacturing infrastructure that he spent so much time setting up (gigafactories).

Chillscream123 posted...

I always follow the evidence and facts.

[X] Doubt.

Chillscream123 posted...

I always follow the evidence and facts. But I do tend to give the benefit of the doubt when somebody claims to have a good idea to make things better.

So now that you haven't seen evidence or facts that Twitter has less censorship and control, are you changing your understanding?

Ruvan22 posted...

So now that you haven't seen evidence or facts that Twitter has less censorship and control, are you changing your understanding?

My understanding on anything changes instantaneously once evidence and facts support it. A person either "understands" something, or they don't. Understanding isn't really a choice.

The TOS didn't change much. Now I don't have a Twitter account so I lack the ability to truly appreciate what changes - if any - were made. But, absent evidence to the contrary, I assume things are more or less the same in Twitter world.

Chillscream123 posted...

My understanding on anything changes instantaneously once evidence and facts support it. A person either "understands" something, or they don't. Understanding isn't really a choice.

The TOS didn't change much. Now I don't have a Twitter account so I lack the ability to truly appreciate what changes - if any - were made. But, absent evidence to the contrary, I assume things are more or less the same in Twitter world.

But earlier you said things *had* changed (for the better) - what evidence led you to now say "things are the same"?

Twitter is a phone book of absolute marks and everyone who continues to use it is a frog boiled down into glue.

There's never been a more lucrative time to take up scamming as a profession, or to invest in popcorn stocks. It's all going to burn down spectacularly.