Current Events > SHOCKING study shows resumes with They/Them more likely to be overlooked

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Shadow_Don posted...

This study isn't about applications.

Its about pronouns on your resume.

I mean, fair, but I see a lot of online applications that don't even ask for a traditional resume, and instead ask for a longer form to be filled out which includes that. It might not be prevalent enough to be considered in this data, though.

TimeForAction posted...

I havent been on the job market in a while but I find it hard to believe many HR departments allow gender to be a question considering its illegal not to hire based on it.

It's absolutely a common question on online applications. A lot of them have a "Prefer not to say" option, though.

RuneterranSnap posted...

I mean, it's not my only answer, this should definitely be addressed, but it's the truth.

No its not. Not even close. Its a pathetic answer biased by bigotry.

its so weird to me how certain people on gamefaqs just cant resist when they see topics like this. they could just not post at all, but instead theyre like "no i absolutely must make bigoted posts!"

Skankhair posted...

No its not. Not even close. Its a pathetic answer biased by bigotry.

lol ok. It's not, but you have no argument to back up such a ridiculous statement so if you want to make a fool of yourself go ahead.

The solution to this problem? Always work for progressive bosses and avoid conservative bosses like the plague.

Humble_Novice posted...

The solution to this problem? Always work for progressive bosses and avoid conservative bosses like the plague.

How do you know which is which, especially when applying?

Not surprising in the least. This is the same country where having an obviously Hispanic or Black name is also enough to get your resume overlooked

I really wish it wasn't like that though. These bigots need to get over themselves

BurmesePenguin posted...

It is extremely high maintenance to tell people which pronouns they may refer to you as before you even meet them.

But your resume is your introduction to an employer.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs

"You can't stray from the established hierarchies lest the powerful discriminate against you" is an argument against the powerful, and not for conformity

RuneterranSnap posted...

How do you know which is which, especially when applying?

I personally think the world would be a far better place if conservative bigots were forever barred from leadership positions. They have proven to be biased, untrustworthy, and more than willing to throw employees under the bus.

Euripides posted...

No, it's an important identifier. Have you ever received a resume from a Taylor or Alex and not known if it was a man or a woman? Wouldn't a pronoun help there?

+1

NoxObscuras posted...

Not surprising in the least. This is the same country where having an obviously Hispanic or Black name is also enough to get your resume overlooked

I really wish it wasn't like that though. These bigots need to get over themselves

Conservatives are misers who only feel comfortable working for people who look and think like them, and even that's not enough to stop them from going in a power-hungry rampage when they feel like it. Just look at Trump and Musk.

When would you even use a pronoun in a resume? Aren't those written in the 1st person?

A_Good_Boy posted...

When would you even use a pronoun in a resume? Aren't those written in the 1st person?

have you never had a resume before? have you never seen a resume before?

A_Good_Boy posted...

When would you even use a pronoun in a resume? Aren't those written in the 1st person?

No? What even is this post?

Humble_Novice posted...

I personally think the world would be a far better place if conservative bigots were forever barred from leadership positions. They have proven to be biased, untrustworthy, and more than willing to throw employees under the bus.

You'll get zero argument from me.

NoxObscuras posted...

No? What even is this post?

Do your write yours in the third person? I just looked through mine and I dont use my pronouns at all. Is that uncommon? Do I have a shitty resume and just got lucky getting hired for the job I applied for?

AloneIBreak posted...

Do your write yours in the third person? I just looked through mine and I dont use my pronouns at all. Is that uncommon? Do I have a shitty resume and just got lucky getting hired for the job I applied for?

No, you're right. First person with no pronouns. Not sure why they are acting like you're crazy.

a resume isnt really written in any person. are you thinking of a cover letter? i guess if you have a summary or goals listed as part of your resume instead of on a cover letter, but you shouldnt really be using "I" or anything in that anyway.

the point is the top of a resume is always for personal details like name, email address, and so on, and people just put pronouns there. usually after their name.

Ferroseed posted...

the point is the top of a resume is always for personal details like name, email address, and so on, and people just put pronouns there. usually after their name.

I do hiring at my job and I rarely if ever see pronouns after the name. It's not nearly as common as people here are claiming.

Usually resumes don't reveal age, gender, race, etc.
There's no reason to include it in a resume, as it should not have an impact one way or the other on your candidacy for the position in a normal job.

Many of these bosses are probably older liberals that think that pronouns are a dumb trend that will pass.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I do hiring at my job and I rarely if ever see pronouns after the name. It's not nearly as common as people here are claiming.

i didnt say it was common, i said thats where people put them if theyre going to. the issue isnt whether its common or not. the issue is anybody saying people deserve to be discriminated against for that, or that its "high maintenance" are not good people. jobs more and more are having people put pronouns in their email signatures, so discriminating over it on an application is ridiculous

I remember this when it came out a few months ago. There was a long Reddit thread with tons of hiring managers/HR that were chiming in and the general consensus was that there was too much risk and liability involved, so many just chucked those resumes. Even if they had no issues with trans/NB.

A_Good_Boy posted...

When would you even use a pronoun in a resume? Aren't those written in the 1st person?

yeah its called first person implied

HornyLevel posted...

I remember this when it came out a few months ago. There was a long Reddit thread with tons of hiring managers/HR that were chiming in and the general consensus was that there was too much risk and liability involved, so many just chucked those resumes. Even if they had no issues with trans/NB.

That's so much BS. Liability how? (This is rhetorical, not expecting you to have the answer) It literally changes nothing about their ability to do their jobs.

I can kind of understand? From the viewpoint of recruiters anyway. A lot of people are still asshats about using they/them so it makes for workplace drama which drives down numbers. It's still dealing with it in the wrong way but it's really the only way they have to filter it.

And to clarify I don't mean the people using they/them as a pronoun, but those that will avoid it because a slight vocabulary change is far too difficult.

its only a liability if you think your company culture is going to cause it to be one

Ronaldo posted...

No, you're right. First person with no pronouns. Not sure why they are acting like you're crazy.

I don't think those posters have ever seen a resume either.

NoxObscuras posted...

That's so much BS. Liability how? (This is rhetorical, not expecting you to have the answer) It literally changes nothing about their ability to do their jobs.

Because the issue of trans/NB is a highly charged topic right now.

There was even a couple that said they did hire trans/NB, but that HR instructed everyone to never discuss anything personal with them and keep it strictly about work.

Shadowplay posted...

Many of these bosses are probably older liberals that think that pronouns are a dumb trend that will pass.

Not conservatives huh?

Not sure why you would assume liberals - and don't get me wrong, liberals aren't good allies of advocates for trans or non-binary rights - but conservatives are currently being groomed to support a genocide of LGBTQ folks in 2023.

Or are you trying to force the myth that libs and the left have all the technocratic/bureaucratic power in corporate America?

This happens to many groups. I even put a different name on my Resume . I am CJ Chum. when Job hunting.

cjsdowg posted...

This happens to many groups. I even put a different name on my Resume . I am CJ Chum. when Job hunting.

Try Drew P. Bawls and see if you get the job.

Humble_Novice posted...

The solution to this problem? Always work for progressive bosses and avoid conservative bosses like the plague.

I shouldn't have to point out that the conservative bosses not hiring you makes this a natural consequence rather than an active pursuit.

Euripides posted...

No, it's an important identifier. Have you ever received a resume from a Taylor or Alex and not known if it was a man or a woman? Wouldn't a pronoun help there?

Pronouns take up like 8 characters at the end of your name. It's not your bio.

What a weird take

I guess you'd argue for putting your blood type and last dental exam on your resume too?

Your take is even worse.

Euripides posted...

Any non-white sounding name, yes.

Asians weren't safe from that?

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

Easy tag.

They are making it easy for you.

Shadow_Don posted...

I dont think I've ever seen a resume cross my way with someone's pronouns on it.

No, me neither.

But Im sure its common in some fields and it doesnt surprise me that people can be bigoted about it.

I put as little demographic information as possible on any application, resume, etc.

Sad_Face posted...

That is an extremely selfish stance to believe the company culture a company you're applying to should conform to your beliefs.

where did i say that? all i said is its only a liability if the company culture makes it one. youve just made it clear that youd be the one making it a liability. good job.

they dont have to "conform" at all. they could just not say or do anything thatd be a liability at all. clearly you could not follow that simple idea though

Is anybody really shocked though. Seems par for the course. A lot of workplaces lean conservative or have a lot of conservative workers, and someone else mentioned mockingly that "employers don't want to take on that drama" and they are right, that's how some managers think, that LGBT people will cause drama in the workplace(not necessarily through their actions, but of people reacting to them)

As a person who consistently interviews new applicants, yes I do get some resumes with their pronouns on it. Most of those pronouns primarily being (he/him) or (she/her) and rarely the (they/them) or other variations. And yes, I'm purely merit based and seeing how well you do under stressful pressure when it comes to interviews, which means yes I've had applicants with pronouns in their resume go through the next steps.

With that said, we always look at patterns when it comes to our new recruits (every year we hire quite a bit of them) and on average, the applicants that we hire that tend to put their pronouns in their resumes are more likely to file complaints to HR on a lot of false charges at a higher rate, on things like sexual harassment and work space abuse, than those who don't put pronouns in their resumes. An example was when the new hire and a staff member bumped into each other by accident and then the next day my department gets a complaint that the staff member grabbed and caressed the new hires butt. Me and another new hire actually saw the incident immediately retorted against such allegations. Well the new hire then goes on a big social media story about her experience and it ended up becoming a PR nightmare that it eventually got settled outside of my department. And this is just one incident from my department, which is unfortunate because it starts to make hiring a lot of them a liability by wasting the company's time and resources to avoid things like lawsuits and bad PR, even if the allegations aren't true. Is it a possibility that we just happen to get the bad apples who put their pronouns in their resume? I try to argue that, but HR keeps track on a lot of these patterns and it always stays consistent in company wide hires. But even with that experience, it still doesn't stop me from using people preferred pronouns and still doesn't stop me from hiring those who put their pronouns in the resumes, so long as they got the right things we're looking for in a staff member.

I wouldn't put my pronouns on my resume for the same reason I don't put my race on it. It's not relevant to the position and only opens up opportunities for employers to make negative assumptions about me.

Whenever i've had a position to hire for i wished i had enough qualified applicants to be able afford to be a bigot

Prestoff posted...

Pretty sure if it turns out your company has an actual sexual harassment case on your hands then what you admitted would be devastating for your company in terms of their legal exposure.

Sad_Face posted...

That is an extremely selfish stance to believe the company culture a company you're applying to should conform to your beliefs.

Any company's whose culture is discrimination can politely go bankrupt.

Well most people in HR tend to be millennials or older. My wife works for a luxury car company and they told a gay employee to cut his hair a bit. He replied back saying there was nothing wrong with hair and that they should get with the times. Allegedly HR said something along the lines of "stuff like this is why these people are problematic". Im assuming a lot of companies have people like that in their HR depts.