Current Events > Cops caught on cam plotting fake charges against guy who flipped them off

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Dark_Arbron posted...

How far would you take this logic before punishment became disproportionate?

the perp should just be glad that the bodycams didnt come off and the nightsticks didnt come out. he was dealing with some pissed off cops who were having a bad day and obviously didn't appreciate getting fingered without him spitting on it first.

Funkydog posted...

It's 100% factual.

That and speed cameras are designed to make money, not actually get people to not speed.

If anything theyre actually more dangerous because people are constantly looking at their speedometer and where they might be hidden, instead of you know, the road.

I believe theres also statistics to back this up. Areas with high camera coverage do not reduce the rate of accidents and in many cases correlate with an increase instead.

blacklabelice posted...

there will be a reckoning for those cops. what they did was not very righteous. our Lord will not take too kindly to him.

There should be a reckoning here and now in the real world, fantasy punishments don't cut it.

Fragile little man

Is a cop

Smaller is their dick

blacklabelice posted...

the perp should just be glad that the bodycams didnt come off and the nightsticks didnt come out. he was dealing with some pissed off cops who were having a bad day and obviously didn't appreciate getting fingered without him spitting on it first.

Again, why is this guy a perp when he didnt do anything illegal? Hes lucky in the sense that they didnt decide to go full abusive pieces of shit, not in the sense that they let him off with a warning.

Please dont become another former law enforcement shilling for them. Weve had that type of poster before.

Squall28 posted...

Cops are wrong, but that dude must be a special kind of privileged to think he can get away with antagonizing the cops like that

You for real, bro?

The Dude does not abide fucking fascists.

Dark_Arbron posted...

If anything theyre actually more dangerous because people are constantly looking at their speedometer and where they might be hidden, instead of you know, the road.

I believe theres also statistics to back this up. Areas with high camera coverage do not reduce the rate of accidents and in many cases correlate with an increase instead.

https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/calculator/factsheet/speed.html

Automated speed camera enforcement is effective in reducing speed and speed-related crashes. In a Cochrane review of studies through 2010 evaluating speed cameras, all studies measuring speed or speeding saw reductions when the cameras were present. All studies in the Cochrane review measuring crashes also showed reductions when the cameras were present. More recent research has also found reductions in speeding or injury crashes when cameras were present. For example, a 2016 study reported on the results of a comprehensive evaluation of an automated speed camera enforcement program in Montgomery County, Maryland. The evaluation was conducted seven and a half years after the introduction of the speed cameras to residential streets and school zones. Relative to comparable sites without cameras, sites with cameras saw a decrease in mean speeds, a decrease in the likelihood that a driver was driving at more than ten miles per hour above the speed limit, and a reduction in the likelihood of a crash resulting in an incapacitating or fatal injury. In a phone survey of drivers in the community, 95% were aware of the speed cameras, and 76% of those aware had reduced their speeds because of the cameras.

Funkydog posted...

Dock and cut pensions of police found fucking up.

Cut entire force pensions if needed. Once their ego and bigotry starts meaning they lose money, things might then change.

If whenever the government has to pay out for a lawsuit involving cops the money came from the pension plan? You'd probably see cops start policing cops, like fuck they'll look the other way if it's going to hurt their pension.

They better face jail time.

Imagine all the stuff that happened when body cams weren't a thing.

Unknown5uspect posted...

It isn't all cops tho!
wank

That's the point of ACAB. It's meant as a diversion.

"All Cops Are Bastards!"
"Not ALL cops."
"Every. Single. One. Without exception."
"Not all of them. There are good cops and bad."
Rinse, recycle, repeat.

It's meant to decrease the chances of bastard cops like these being held accountable by redirecting the focus on whether or not all cops are bastards.

blacklabelice posted...

this kind of stuff wouldnt happen if people would just slow down and obey the speed limit.

Ah yes, I am sure the cops are trying to invent crimes to ruin this guy's life with just because they are sick and tired of all the senseless deaths caused by speeding.

Squall28 posted...

Cops are wrong, but that dude must be a special kind of privileged to think he can get away with antagonizing the cops like that

Squall28 posted...

You would think being in a position of public authority would require cops to have thicker skin.

If the cops can't handle an annoying case of common road rage, how can we trust them to remain calm in real emergency situations?

Squall28 posted...

Cops are wrong, but that dude must be a special kind of privileged to think he can get away with antagonizing the cops like that

Yeah he thought he lived in a free country but he doesnt.

FortuneCookie posted...

That's the point of ACAB. It's meant as a diversion.

"All Cops Are Bastards!"
"Not ALL cops."
"Every. Single. One. Without exception."
"Not all of them. There are good cops and bad."
Rinse, recycle, repeat.

It's meant to decrease the chances of bastard cops like these being held accountable by redirecting the focus on whether or not all cops are bastards.

Yeah I kinda agree with you. Another thing, seems a lot of people get really upset if you say the majority of cops suck, much less people if you were to say the same thing about politicians or lawyers. Including like the politicians themselves getting mad at that remark

Those cops should get serious prison time. That kind of abuse of power has to be stomped out with no mercy.

Warning people about a cop doing speed checks should also be illegal, though obviously a much more minor crime.

Tenlaar posted...

Warning people about a cop doing speed checks should also be illegal

Why should it be illegal?

darkace77450 posted...

Why should it be illegal?

it might not be illegal. But they would stop you from doing this every time

darkace77450 posted...

Why should it be illegal?

It is functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law.

Tenlaar posted...

It is functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law.

Not at all.

It's the preventive measure police say they want. He's getting people to slow down and abide by the law. It makes the roads safer.

Tenlaar posted...

Warning people about a cop doing speed checks should also be illegal, though obviously a much more minor crime.

No it shouldn't. What's next? You going to say that someone telling you that jaywalking is against the law should be illegal as well? Should "click it or ticket" signs be taken down as well?

Tenlaar posted...

It is functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law.

So getting people to slow down and stop breaking the law should be illegal?

All pigs are fascist bastards

Enclave posted...

So getting people to slow down and stop breaking the law should be illegal?

Because it means they don't get to catch you doing it and fine you.

That's the fundamental basis behind speed traps. They don't want you to slow down, they want you to speed so they can fine you afterward.

It was never about safety, it was never about prevention, it's always been about revenue. If traffic offences stopped overnight the government would shit itself over how to replace that income.

Those shilling the way Tenlaar is are essentially saying that it's better to let law-breaking happen so people can be punished after the fact rather than preventing it from happening at all. It's only a step away from entrapment.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Because it means they don't get to catch you doing it and fine you.

That's the fundamental basis behind speed traps. They don't want you to slow down, they want you to speed so they can fine you afterward.

It was never about safety, it was never about prevention, it's always been about revenue. If traffic offences stopped overnight the government would shit itself over how to replace that income.

Those shilling the way Tenlaar is are essentially saying that it's better to let law-breaking happen so people can be punished after the fact rather than preventing it from happening at all. It's only a step away from entrapment.

I'm aware, the thing is though the police CLAIM that speed traps are there to get you to slow down so warning people about them should be perfectly fine.

Enclave posted...

I'm aware, the thing is though the police CLAIM that speed traps are there to get you to slow down so warning people about them should be perfectly fine.

One thing I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on. They didn't set the laws, but since they're the ones charged with enforcing them it makes sense they'd have to come up with some kind of justification.

Tenlaar posted...

It is functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law.

Is it functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law when you remind someone to buckle their seat belt before the car starts moving?

Is it functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law when you point out to a pedestrian that they're about to jaywalk?

Is it functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law when you tell your drinking buddy they've had too many to be driving?

Do you now see the absurdity of your argument?

Tenlaar posted...

It is functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law.

I too agree that stopping lawbreaking should be illegal. Why prevent it when there are so many people to punish?

Sometimes the police even act as lookouts against themselves when they alert the media about the time and location of their dui checkpoints!

TimeForAction posted...

Sometimes the police even act as lookouts against themselves when they alert the media about the time and location of their dui checkpoints!

More often than not, it's a car or two at the announced checkpoint, and then six cars down the exit right before.

darkace77450 posted...

Is it functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law when you remind someone to buckle their seat belt before the car starts moving?

Is it functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law when you point out to a pedestrian that they're about to jaywalk?

Is it functionally acting as a lookout for people breaking the law when you tell your drinking buddy they've had too many to be driving?

Do you now see the absurdity of your argument?

The examples that youre giving are comparable to telling somebody not to speed before they leave the house, not telling people who are already currently speeding that theyre about to get caught because a cop is around the corner. Those are very different.

If you walk by somebody engaging in a criminal act and tell them a cop is coming behind you so they can get away then you have become part of the criminal act.

Dark_Arbron posted...

If anything theyre actually more dangerous because people are constantly looking at their speedometer and where they might be hidden, instead of you know, the road.

I believe theres also statistics to back this up. Areas with high camera coverage do not reduce the rate of accidents and in many cases correlate with an increase instead.

lmfao

What a load of shit.

Tenlaar posted...

The examples that youre giving are comparable to telling somebody not to speed before they leave the house, not telling people who are already currently speeding that theyre about to get caught because a cop is around the corner. Those are very different.

If you walk by somebody engaging in a criminal act and tell them a cop is coming behind you so they can get away then you have become part of the criminal act.

I've always given you the benefit of the doubt when you post stupid shit, but this one's swayed me into thinking you're a troll. So thanks, I guess.

darkace77450 posted...

I've always given you the benefit of the doubt when you post stupid shit, but this one's swayed me into thinking you're a troll. So thanks, I guess.

Im sure thats a lot more convenient for you than having to admit that your examples are not comparable to whats actually happening. Hey remember not to break any laws later and hey stop currently breaking the law theres a cop coming are not the same thing.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Deterrence is a fallacy. Speed traps are there for revenue raising and nothing more. If they wanted you to slow down theyd be out in the open.

If people who are inclined to speed know when and where their speed is being checked, they'll slow down there and speed everywhere else. If they could potentially be checked at any time and won't know until it's too late, hopefully they'll rethink their driving.

Though I'd definitely agree that fines aren't the ideal approach, unless they're changed to scale with income / wealth. Would be much better to use some combination of demerit points (where if you accumulate too many your licence is suspended) and/or short community service sentences (on the order of a few hours). Otherwise, it's just "you can speed for a small extra fee" basically.

Nota214 posted...

There's no telling how many times they've pulled this shit and every single arrest and citation they have made needs to be put under review. This is clearly an abuse of power that they have likely committed multiple times.

This is an important comment that isn't getting a lot of attention. This sounds like something these officers might have done this before, and even if they haven't, you really have to wonder about what is wrong with people who, when exposed to anger or lack of respect, respond by trying to ruin someone's life. The existence of people like these in law enforcement are a big part of why people don't like cops. Other cops covering for them with excuses (like blacklabelice is doing) is another. Yet another is that they don't tend to face any real consequences for doing what they do.

Tenlaar posted...

Im sure thats a lot more convenient for you than having to admit that your examples are not comparable to whats actually happening. Hey remember not to break any laws later and hey stop currently breaking the law theres a cop coming are not the same thing.

there's no way to prove that he's only signaling the people who were already breaking the law, sounds like it's a general warning

Trumble posted...

If they could potentially be checked at any time and won't know until it's too late, hopefully they'll rethink their driving.

And if the death penalty were an actual deterrent and not just revenge, then we wouldn't have crime at all.

DnDer posted...

And if the death penalty were an actual deterrent and not just revenge, then we wouldn't have crime at all.

I don't think anyone is proposing the death penalty for speeding.

Trumble posted...

I don't think anyone is proposing the death penalty for speeding.

No, but you're proposing "punishment will be a deterrent."

If it's (punishment) not a deterrent for more serious crimes, do you really believe it'll be a deterrent for petty shit?

Trumble posted...

I don't think anyone is proposing the death penalty for speeding.

I don't think anyone is conflating speeding with murder.... oh wait, that's exactly what you are trying to do in order to avoid addressing the point.

How's that war on drugs working out?

Tenlaar posted...

Im sure thats a lot more convenient for you than having to admit that your examples are not comparable to whats actually happening. Hey remember not to break any laws later and hey stop currently breaking the law theres a cop coming are not the same thing.

Yeah! And if a store sees someone about to steal from them, they better not deter them or else they'll be accessories to... the crime that didn't happen?

This is advanced bootlicking

Squall28 posted...

Cops are wrong, but that dude must be a special kind of privileged to think he can get away with antagonizing the cops like that

He's legally allowed to and he did nothing wrong.

Squall28 posted...

I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed. I'm saying you have had to to live a life free from consequences to think you can get away with fucking around with cops like that

Fuck off bootlicker

If I see a cop car ahead and slow down, should I still be ticketed for speeding?