Current Events > Cops caught on cam plotting fake charges against guy who flipped them off

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KnightofShikari posted...

there's no way to prove that he's only signaling the people who were already breaking the law, sounds like it's a general warning

You cant possibly think that he was warning the people who arent speeding about a speed trap is an actual argument.
hockeybub89 posted...

Yeah! And if a store sees someone about to steal from them, they better not deter them or else they'll be accessories to... the crime that didn't happen?

This is advanced bootlicking

Honestly, it would be much better for you just not to post anything than to make such a bad argument.
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Somebody who speeds excessively briefly slowing down to get by a cop and then resuming speeding is not a benefit for more than like 30 seconds for anybody except the person whos not facing repercussions for speeding. That person being caught and facing actual repercussions, possibly even losing the ability to drive if they repeatedly show that they cant do it responsibly, would be.

Tenlaar posted...

You cant possibly think that he was warning the people who arent speeding about a speed trap is an actual argument.

not saying that, read again

KnightofShikari posted...

not saying that, read again

I read it fine the first time, Im just not interested in arguments that amount to pretending we live in an alternate reality. The guy was warning people who were speeding that they were about to get caught.

What shitters

Tenlaar posted...

I read it fine the first time, Im just not interested in arguments that amount to pretending we live in an alternate reality. The guy was warning people who were speeding that they were about to get caught.

And then they stopped breaking the law as a result.

Net positive for society, and it improved safety on the road the cops were watching, just like the cops say they want when they park in places like that.

DnDer posted...

And then they stopped breaking the law as a result.

Net positive for society, and it improved safety on the road the cops were watching, just like the cops say they want when they park in places like that.

Correct, if this was truly about safety they would welcome sign guy. But it's not about that, it's about generating revenue and power tripping egos.

Tenlaar posted...

I read it fine the first time, Im just not interested in arguments that amount to pretending we live in an alternate reality. The guy was warning people who were speeding that they were about to get caught.

you should stop trying to live in the alternate reality then

if you were a passenger and your friend was speeding approaching a known speed trap area, would you warn him?

UT1999 posted...

Do you guys agree with this? that cops ticketing people for speeding does not slow down very many drivers?

I'm about 99% sure cops have ticket quotas to meet.

Cemith posted...

I'm about 99% sure cops have ticket quotas to meet.

No no no, quotas have long been outlawed. They have incentives.

voldothegr8 posted...

No no no, quotas have long been outlawed. They have incentives.

D'ohoho, pardon me.

DnDer posted...

And then they stopped breaking the law as a result.

Net positive for society, and it improved safety on the road the cops were watching, just like the cops say they want when they park in places like that.

Ive already addressed this argument. Somebody slowing down until they pass the cop does not provide any lasting or meaningful benefit. Somebody facing repercussions that make them change their dangerous behavior or remove their ability to continue it does.

KnightofShikari posted...

you should stop trying to live in the alternate reality then

if you were a passenger and your friend was speeding approaching a known speed trap area, would you warn him?

You are the one wanting to pretend that the man wasnt doing what he obviously was, and no.

Tenlaar posted...

Ive already addressed this argument. Somebody slowing down until they pass the cop does not provide any lasting or meaningful benefit. Somebody facing repercussions that make them change their dangerous behavior or remove their ability to continue it does.

And more people than me have already addressed your counter-argument. The threat of punishment will not serve as a deterrent to dangerous behavior.

On top of that, I'll also add (and remind) how we know traffic stops and speed traps are targeted against the people least able to afford them and even less able to afford to show up in court and contest them.

It's never been about deterring bad behavior, or they wouldn't be hidden when they're doing this.

DnDer posted...

The threat of punishment will not serve as a deterrent to dangerous behavior.

False.

On top of that, I'll also add (and remind) how we know traffic stops and speed traps are targeted against the people least able to afford them and even less able to afford to show up in court and contest them.

Speed traps are targeted against people who are speeding. Do you honestly believe that cops at speed traps are going well I would have pulled that one over but its a nice car and going back to waiting for somebody who looks poor?

It's never been about deterring bad behavior, or they wouldn't be hidden when they're doing this.

This is just nonsense but if your argument is that speed traps are only about punishment then my response would be okay. People who excessively speed should be caught and punished. Their license being revoked would be a great way to deter them from further speeding.

Tenlaar posted...

False.

True. Unless you can explain why the standard punishment-recidivism problem exists. Or why the death penalty has deterred zero crime.

Criminal punishment does not reduce criminal behavior, for a host of complex reasons. But none of them are as base and reductive as what you're suggesting.

Tenlaar posted...

Speed traps are targeted against people who are speeding. Do you honestly believe that cops at speed traps are going well I would have pulled that one over but its a nice car and going back to waiting for somebody who looks poor?

My anecdotal experience of knowing county cops who have admitted to ticketing out of state plates instead of locals is one thing. But let's look at something more data driven.

https://econofact.org/what-drives-racial-differences-in-speeding-tickets

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/insight/research-summary/high-frequency-location-data- shows-that-race-affects-the-likelihood-of-being-stopped-and-fined-for-speeding/

https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/1/4/pgac144/6652221

https://www.ppic.org/publication/racial-disparities-in-traffic-stops/

And all of that is before we account for the disparity in police interactions that target minorities in general, and not just for speed traps and traffic stops.

Speed traps are used to generate income, and, like all police interactions, are distributed in an uneven way that all but proves a racist bias.

Tenlaar posted...

This is just nonsense but if your argument is that speed traps are only about punishment then my response would be okay.

You don't care about public safety, just revenge for lawbreakers.

Keep up the good work, Dredd. I'm sure it'll pay off in the long run.

I think the punishment for getting caught excessively speeding multiple times should be losing your license which is absolutely for the benefit of public safety. Youre the one who wants people engaging in dangerous behavior to just slow down for 30 seconds and then resume the behavior again.

Stop wasting so much time arguing with people who live in their mom's basement and eat microwavable burritos.

PenultmateGohan posted...

Stop wasting so much time arguing with people who live in their mom's basement and eat microwavable burritos.

I really should. The toilet scrolling is a bad habit.

Tenlaar posted...

Im sure thats a lot more convenient for you than having to admit that your examples are not comparable to whats actually happening. Hey remember not to break any laws later and hey stop currently breaking the law theres a cop coming are not the same thing.

Any Sane Person: Hey man, you're swerving an awful lot. I think you may have had one too many to be driving. Pull over and we'll Uber home.

You: My buddy's clearly driving drunk. I should tell him to pull over before he kills someone. But driving while intoxicated is a crime and I'd be helping him get away with breaking the law if I told him to pull over. So I guess I'll just sit here quietly and hope the police pull us over before we swerve into oncoming traffic.

I'm one of the few people on this site who gave you the benefit of the doubt and you buried that by first choosing the dumbest hill to die upon, and then by doubling down via whatever pedantic bullshit you just posted.

Tenlaar posted...

I think the punishment for getting caught excessively speeding multiple times should be losing your license which is absolutely for the benefit of public safety. Youre the one who wants people engaging in dangerous behavior to just slow down for 30 seconds and then resume the behavior again.

Do you ever get tired of people passing you all the time on the road?

darkace77450 posted...

I'm one of the few people on this site who gave you the benefit of the doubt and you buried that by first choosing the dumbest hill to die upon, and then by doubling down via whatever pedantic bullshit you just posted.

Do you think its not obvious that all you are willing to talk about is made up scenarios that are not comparable to what actually happened here? If you cant make an argument that is based on the actual situation then you just dont have an argument.

darkace77450 posted...

I'm one of the few people on this site who gave you the benefit of the doubt and you buried that by first choosing the dumbest hill to die upon, and then by doubling down via whatever pedantic bullshit you just posted.

I'm honestly surprised it took you so long to learn this lesson, you've got a good heart for giving him the benefit of the doubt for such an unjustified amount of time.

Oh look blocked clown Tenlaar is bootlicking cops again. More proof is blocking was totally justified.

Carljank posted...

Oh look blocked clown Tenlaar is bootlicking cops again. More proof is blocking was totally justified.

It's more fun when you get him to block you.

DrizztLink posted...

It's more fun when you get him to block you.

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But it does! Remember, Tenlaar said it wasn't about safety, but about punishment.

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I dont think this has ever been a conversation about all people; its a conversation about people who are speeding enough that they would need to slow down because of a speed trap and the person warning them. You dont have to slow down for a speed trap if youre going 5 over.

You, and pretty much everyone else, seem to be looking at this from the perspective that all that matters is the very brief window of time that a person is currently driving by the speed trap. I disagree with that. There is more than one goal of a cop waiting on the side of the road and one of those goals is to catch people who are driving dangerously and the man warning of the speed trap is hindering that goal.

DnDer posted...

But it does! Remember, Tenlaar said it wasn't about safety, but about punishment.

I did not say that, you said that because its easier for you to argue against a straw man. I think its about both.

Tenlaar posted...

I did not say that, you said that because its easier for you to argue against a straw man. I think its about both.

"It's not about punishment, it's about punishment AND..." kind of proved that it's about, you know, punishment.

Because if it was at all about safety and slowing down, you'd support the guy with the sign and oppose the cops who are hiding. You'd want the cops to be publicly visible instead of trying to generate revenue off of minorities.

ACAFS

(all cops are fragile snowflakes)

So uh...@Tenlaar does this mean you are against deterrence in general? Cops should be hidden and any revelation of their presence be made illegal? Because people are following the law due to not wanting to be caught, instead of being punished and learning a valuable lesson?

Tenlaar posted...

There is more than one goal of a cop waiting on the side of the road and one of those goals is to catch people who are driving dangerously and the man warning of the speed trap is hindering that goal.

Correct, sign guy is indeed hindering their goal of revenue generation.

hockeybub89 posted...

So uh...@Tenlaar does this mean you are against deterrence in general? Cops should be hidden and any revelation of their presence be made illegal? Because people are following the law due to not wanting to be caught, instead of being punished and learning a valuable lesson?

Tenlaar has a history of shilling for authority. Dont bother.