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McSame_as_Bush
08/17/23 12:59:24 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/2/AASbx8AAEwow.jpg

Lmao. Even hacks like Jonathan Turley say nope.

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creativerealms
08/17/23 1:06:24 PM
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No we cant.

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ScazarMeltex
08/17/23 1:07:24 PM
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I really wish the fascists would just be open and say "we are above the law".

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Kaldrenthebold
08/17/23 1:07:37 PM
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And this guy was a lawyer lol

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mercurydude
08/17/23 1:12:10 PM
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Like all MAGAs, he believes that republicans are above the law---unless they speak out against Donald Trump, in which case they deserve life in prison for being "unpatriotic."

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Questionmarktarius
08/17/23 1:19:52 PM
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Wouldn't the simpler answer be to just not elect a convict?
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MC_BatCommander
08/17/23 1:22:18 PM
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Republicans getting pretty scared eh? They're sounding desperate

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Questionmarktarius
08/17/23 1:24:17 PM
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There's only been one notable instance where someone ran for president from prison, and this is the first time there's an actual chance of someone doing that and winning.

It's undefined what happens next.
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Tyranthraxus
08/17/23 1:24:36 PM
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If I was on Twitter I would say something like "oh then it's ok if we just illegally confiscate all guns since the president can just pardon himself for it"

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Unsuprised_Pika
08/17/23 1:25:13 PM
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He isn't a sitting president Mark.

Fucking stupid ass nazi bitch.

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Questionmarktarius
08/17/23 1:26:15 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
If I was on Twitter I would say something like "oh then it's ok if we just illegally confiscate all guns since the president can just pardon himself for it"
Replace "guns" with "gold", and you have FDR.
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itachi15243
08/17/23 1:27:32 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Wouldn't the simpler answer be to just not elect a convict?

He'd probably just say that he won't fold to democrats trying to stop the republican party, or they have no one to put forth besides Trump in a a "fair and honest" election or whatever BS he can come up with.

I think the most interesting part is that he seems to think that if Trump is convicted, it'll be after he wins. He never says former president or even candidate, just president. -_-

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hockeybub89
08/17/23 1:36:21 PM
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Actually, we should make it so that sitting presidents can be indicted and that no one can ever pardon themselves ever.

What kind of dictator shit is pardoning yourself?

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vegeta415
08/17/23 1:41:24 PM
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And the rigged scotus will pardon all of his federal charges but man Id love to see him as president from jail.
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Dark_Moon
08/17/23 1:55:02 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Actually, we should make it so that sitting presidents can be indicted and that no one can ever pardon themselves ever.
As far as I know there nothing in the Constitution that mention a president can't be indict, it just a gop talking point. Unless you are a democrat, then without evidence you should be thrown in prison. The worry is that a sitting president could just pardon themselves, which isn't mention for or against.


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Tyranthraxus
08/17/23 1:56:35 PM
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Dark_Moon posted...
As far as I know there nothing in the Constitution that mention a president can't be indict, it just a gop talking point. Unless you are a democrat, then without evidence you should be thrown in prison. The worry is that a sitting president could just pardon themselves, which isn't mention for or against.
It's a doj policy from the Nixon era.

We should make it illegal to even have such a policy in the first place.

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Starks
08/17/23 1:57:40 PM
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They only want the constitution to protect them.

Yet they want Biden indicted ASAP.

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Dark_Moon
08/17/23 1:58:35 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's a doj policy from the Nixon era.

We should make it illegal to even have such a policy in the first place.
Then that sucks, luckily trump isn't a sitting president, and hopefully never will be.

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Block_that_Kick
08/17/23 2:00:28 PM
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Biden: I pardon myself for anything I might have done.

Levin: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR *deep breath* EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

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hockeybub89
08/17/23 2:01:21 PM
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The GOP will just start arguing that it's immoral to hold politicians responsible for anything because it can be abused for "political oppression"

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08/17/23 2:02:31 PM
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mystic_belmont
08/17/23 2:03:02 PM
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Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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Dark_Moon
08/17/23 2:03:49 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
The GOP will just start arguing that it's immoral to hold politicians responsible for anything because it can be abused for "political oppression"
Only other GOP, and if they are loyal to one man.

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McSame_as_Bush
08/17/23 3:08:30 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
Biden: I pardon myself for anything I might have done.

Levin: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR *deep breath* EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Hearing that in his voice might qualify as a crime against humanity.

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Shadow_Don
08/17/23 3:13:41 PM
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It's strange watching these people tell us Biden is a dictator while at the same time they desperately try to reinterpret the law in a way that makes Trump immune to all crimes.

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lilORANG
08/17/23 3:15:42 PM
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Honestly I think POTUS probably could pardon for state stuff but nobody has bothered yet.

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mystic_belmont
08/17/23 3:18:56 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Honestly I think POTUS probably could pardon for state stuff but nobody has bothered yet.

And your reasoning for this is?

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lilORANG
08/17/23 3:22:56 PM
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mystic_belmont posted...
And your reasoning for this is?
Founders gave POTUS the pardon power to serve the interests of justice. POTUS is top dawg. I think most SCOTUSes are gonna say States shouldn't be above POTUS in that regard and if POTUS thinks a pardon serves the national interest then he can encroach on the States power.

Probably apply some similar theory they used to incorporate the bill of rights to the States or something.

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buddhamonster
08/17/23 3:34:31 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Founders gave POTUS the pardon power to serve the interests of justice. POTUS is top dawg. I think most SCOTUSes are gonna say States shouldn't be above POTUS in that regard and if POTUS thinks a pardon serves the national interest then he can encroach on the States power.

Probably apply some similar theory they used to incorporate the bill of rights to the States or something.

The Departmen of Justice's website says this:

No. The Presidents clemency power is conferred by Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution of the United States, which provides: The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. Thus, the Presidents authority to grant clemency is limited to federal offenses and offenses prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States in the D.C. Superior Court. An offense that violates a state law is not an offense against the United States. A person who wishes to seek a pardon or a commutation of sentence for a state offense should contact the authorities of the state in which the conviction occurred. Such state authorities are typically the Governor or a state board of pardons and/or paroles, if the state government has created such a board.

Presidential pardons are exclusively for federal crimes. Period.

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lilORANG
08/17/23 3:36:25 PM
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DoJ isn't SCOTUS. And certainly the Trump DoJ would have a different perspective on the issue.

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UnholyMudcrab
08/17/23 3:37:10 PM
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Mark Levin has pardoned himself of intelligence.

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ragnarokius
08/17/23 3:37:45 PM
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Well ain't that convenient. Who cares if he did it or not, what's more important is how he is immune from the law! Right wing people with a podium are pretty much universally dishonest and grifting idiots.

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ThePieReborn
08/17/23 3:39:43 PM
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Eh, that route flies pretty hard in the face of federalism. Supremacy Clause only comes into play where there's a conflict between state and federal law, so by all rights using that as justification is tortured because it's not a conflict between sovereigns but a question of scope. This should be especially true for the self-proclaimed originalists.

That said, expecting ideological consistency from folks of that persuasion is a laughable prospect.

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mystic_belmont
08/17/23 3:46:18 PM
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lilORANG posted...
DoJ isn't SCOTUS. And certainly the Trump DoJ would have a different perspective on the issue.

"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."

State crimes are not crimes against the United States, but to a single state.

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buddhamonster
08/17/23 4:14:28 PM
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lilORANG posted...
DoJ isn't SCOTUS. And certainly the Trump DoJ would have a different perspective on the issue.
So youre saying there is no constitutional basis for this, and the only way it could work is if the DoJ and Supreme Court unilaterally decide to ignore the constitution and do whatever they want?

I mean, its certainly in line with their fascist way of thinking. For the rest of us not living in fascist fantasyland, its not fucking happening.


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Tyranthraxus
08/17/23 4:21:03 PM
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Pardoning yourself is unprecedented, literally. There's nothing that says you can't do it, and we won't have any case law until someone tries.

IMO this is worth preempting with a constitutional amendment to severely curtail pardon powers.

Something like "the president may not offer pardons to any serving member of the federal government and may not pardon anyone at all during a presidential impeachment trial until after it has concluded."

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darkace77450
08/17/23 4:44:58 PM
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Shadow_Don
08/17/23 4:54:03 PM
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ragnarokius posted...
Well ain't that convenient. Who cares if he did it or not, what's more important is how he is immune from the law! Right wing people with a podium are pretty much universally dishonest and grifting idiots.

Its completely crazy.

Literally running their presidential campaign on the platform of "yes trump should actually be a dictator and no to feeding starving children"

Like its just ontologically evil shit.

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CyrusV
08/17/23 4:57:26 PM
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Mark Levin's always been a dipshit.

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Ruvan22
08/17/23 5:29:06 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Founders gave POTUS the pardon power to serve the interests of justice. POTUS is top dawg. I think most SCOTUSes are gonna say States shouldn't be above POTUS in that regard and if POTUS thinks a pardon serves the national interest then he can encroach on the States power.

Probably apply some similar theory they used to incorporate the bill of rights to the States or something.

Why do you think this?
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Starks
08/17/23 5:30:22 PM
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Republican theory-crafting is a very dangerous coping mechanism.

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ClayGuida
08/17/23 5:31:30 PM
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Yea, Republicans outright lie every chance they get.

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lilORANG
08/17/23 6:45:41 PM
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mystic_belmont posted...
"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."

State crimes are not crimes against the United States, but to a single state.
Correct. They constitution has rarely been interpreted literally tho.

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Intro2Logic
08/17/23 6:47:12 PM
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This is what going to law school gets you

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Anteaterking
08/17/23 6:49:36 PM
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Even if you think that a state shouldn't be allowed to imprison/jail the president, that's still not the same as "you can pardon yourself of state crimes".
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FortuneCookie
08/20/23 12:57:26 AM
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Why is Trump even allowed to run again? He should be in prison for treason. What's this shit about him giving himself a pardon if he gets elected?
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Robot2600
08/22/23 8:42:48 PM
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The Federalist society actually published a paper this week arguing that he is, in fact, ineligible already for President because he engaged in insurrection.

The supreme court would have to make that call, legally, however. I think most people would agree he did, in fact, engage in that alleged conduct.

There is the idea that certain states could refuse to put him on the ballot because, for the same reason, he is constitutionally unable to run again, via the 14th Amendment.

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DnDer
08/22/23 9:02:24 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Replace "guns" with "gold", and you have FDR.

No. This is just objectively wrong.

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Kradek
08/22/23 10:14:27 PM
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He's one optimistic Christo-fascist, I'll give him that lol.

Kaldrenthebold posted...
And this guy was a lawyer lol

Stuart Rhodes was an active lawyer as well, while leading the Oathkeepers and conspiring to overthrow the U.S. government through violent means.

I wonder how hard Levin cried over the woes of his fellow professional lol.

hockeybub89 posted...
Actually, we should make it so that sitting presidents can be indicted and that no one can ever pardon themselves ever.

What kind of dictator shit is pardoning yourself?

The type Netanyahu is working towards in Israel.

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Zikten
08/22/23 10:36:00 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Why is Trump even allowed to run again? He should be in prison for treason. What's this shit about him giving himself a pardon if he gets elected?
Republicans prevented him from being disqualified. When he got impeached, he could have been disqualified from running now, if he had been convicted or whatever its called. But the Republicans voted against it even with the democrats warning them they would regret it someday

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