Current Events > I dont get why people say Manga > Western Comics

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They are the exact same lol.

I see a lot of "weebs" share this thought but it's cool if you dont like Marvel or DC but i grew up reading Comics and started manga when someone gave me a manga at comic con for free and it got me hooked on GTO.

Neither one is better than the other. I was seeing this debated in a discord today but ive seen it around a lot over the years.

Both are trash, but comics somehow have more trash

Turbam posted...

comics somehow have more trash

There's an equal amount of Manga trash.

There's a fundamental difference in that manga artists own their work so you have a large number of original stories with beginning, middle, and ends.

Marvel/DC is a bunch of teams doing stories of someone else's IP while being heavily restricted as to how far they can move from the status quo.

There's also the fact that manga is usually 1 creator, an editor, and a few assistants to help with the weekly schedule whereas comics tend to be large teams of specialists releasing at a much slower pace.

Turbam posted...

Both are trash, but comics somehow have more trash

Oh man no they definitely don't unless you're only limiting yourself to manga which got an animated adaptation

European comics > NA capecomics

Manga mostly only have 1 writer through out the whole series and has the majority say of what happens in the series whether it becomes an anime or has OVA or has non-canon movies. American comics have different writers all the fucking time writing in new canon shit for different characters in the same universe while trying to connect everything to everyone making it a huge clusterfuck, they have to use multiverse angles to differentiate why things don't connect and then it still gets so fucking messy that they have to shithole in a plot to reset the universe.

A lot of it is conservative people who don't like western comics being "woke"

They think Japanese manga is more in tune with Republican values.

Manga typically has a beginning and end. Western comics are typically neverending webs of shit.

VeggetaX posted...

Manga mostly only have 1 writer through out the whole series and has the majority say of what happens in the series whether it becomes an anime or has OVA or has non-canon movies. American comics have different writers all the fucking time writing in new canon shit for different characters in the same universe while trying to connect everything to everyone making it a huge clusterfuck, they have to use multiverse angles to differentiate why things don't connect and then it still gets so fucking messy that they have to shithole in a plot to reset the universe.

Comic Arcs usually have the same artist and writer too and outside of Marvel most comics have a beginning and an end.

Marvel isnt the only comic company the same way i couldnt say all manga is like DBZ

I4NRulez posted...

Comic Arcs usually have the same artist and writer too and outside of Marvel most comics have a beginning and an end.

Yeah I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to say "Read something else than Marvel/DC!".

Comics better because it has colour

Ratchetrockon posted...

Comics better because it has colour

Pornhwa... I mean Manhwa has colors.

VeggetaX posted...

Yeah I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to say "Read something else than Marvel/DC!".

i mean yeah? If i read a shitty manga and was like "Manga sucks" the first response would be try a different one.

Image makes quality books and so does Boom.

"where do i start with one piece"
"chapter 1 bro"

"where do i start with spider man"
"welllll there's amazing spider man, spectacular spider man, peter parker spider man, web of spider-man--"

Because it's written by 1 person and meant to have an ending.

nikko004 posted...

"where do i start with one piece"
"chapter 1 bro"

not really lol

its more like

"Start at chapter one but you can skip this arc because it sucks and this arc goes no where but it gets really good again at this arc"

VeggetaX posted...

Pornhwa... I mean Manhwa has colors.

Interesting

nikko004 posted...

"where do i start with one piece"
"chapter 1 bro"

"where do i start with spider man"
"welllll there's amazing spider man, spectacular spider man, peter parker spider man, web of spider-man--"

Both Marvel and DC routinely create easy "start here" points in their stories to attract new or lapsed readers. For Spider-Man for example, you could begin with the Brand New Day era

I4NRulez posted...

Comic Arcs usually have the same artist and writer too and outside of Marvel most comics have a beginning and an end.

Marvel isnt the only comic company the same way i couldnt say all manga is like DBZ

This is technically true, but Marvel/DC make up around 70% of all comic sales. Image is around 10% and the rest is shared among IDW, Boom, Dark Horse, etc. So the state of comics is overwhelmingly driven by the big 2, whereas manga authors nearly universally own their own work, even if the rights are sometimes shared with production committees.

So yes, it's true that some comics are self-owned and have a clear conclusion, but it's a tiny minority of the overall industry when you look at actual sales. Those creator-owned publishers also tend to favor superhero stories, so you're still not getting the same variety of mainstream published content.

I4NRulez posted...

i mean yeah? If i read a shitty manga and was like "Manga sucks" the first response would be try a different one.

Image makes quality books and so does Boom.

Marvel and DC has a bunch of arcs for a ton of different characters with a shared universe and even the "What Ifs" continuity are a shit storm. That's completely different from just reading plain ol DB if we're comparing major manga and comic books.

If your end goal is to promote something like The Walking Dead or Invincible then you should just say they're what you think is a good American Comic Books.

An Argument that could be made is part of the reason why some people prefer Manga over Comics is just the fact that unless something really odd happens, Its one main creative force behind it and that story lines and developments aren't interrupted by the odd need to have Massive cross overs multiple times a year and Status Quo shaking plot points that comic editors or new writing teams like to throw out there to leave their mark on a character

VeggetaX posted...

Marvel and DC has a bunch of arcs for a ton of different characters with a shared universe and even the "What Ifs" continuity are a s*** storm.

Then only read the characters you want lol.

You can read spiderman without reading dead pool and read batman without reading super man.

My pull list varies all the time and you dont have to read the whole of marvel to enjoy one character.

I get the continuity of wanting the same artists but it has its flaws for both. A lot of on going Mangas go through huge gaps of quality between arcs and comics can get shitty writers like the current spider man.

I just dont think one is better than the other.

Manga is just a whole lot more accessible than comic. It's very easy to find scanlations of newly released series and ongoing favorites that you can read at your leisure hours, days even years later. With comics it's a lot more difficult. You gotta actually buy those, subscribe to a service, or hope you can find a decent torrent.

Zikten posted...

A lot of it is conservative people who don't like western comics being "woke"

They think Japanese manga is more in tune with Republican values.

Lmao what? Ain't no way. Conservatives gonna be in for a rude awakening when they see some of the shit that happens in manga

A_Good_Boy posted...

Manga is just a whole lot more accessible than comic. It's very easy to find scanlations of newly released series and ongoing favorites that you can read at your leisure hours, days even years later. With comics it's a lot more difficult. You gotta actually buy those, subscribe to a service, or hope you can find a decent torrent.

Thats definitely not true lol.

There's sites that are easily searchable that will have every release of almost every comic for free. Its how i read a lot of comics i dont want to pay for. Its how i read most of Red Sonja

NoxObscuras posted...

Lmao what? Ain't no way. Conservatives gonna be in for a rude awakening when they see some of the shit that happens in manga

Manga very rarely has black people in it and that's all that matters

I4NRulez posted...

not really lol

its more like

"Start at chapter one but you can skip this arc because it sucks and this arc goes no where but it gets really good again at this arc"

It isn't though. Maybe if you're watching a filler infested anime but that's not relevant to manga.

One Piece is quite literally just chapter 1, then 2 then 3 then 4 etc. No prior knowledge is required, you don't have to jump around between series and its all there from start to finish

If I look up "Civil War reading order" I get told to read issues of several books that are hundreds of issues in before I even get to a book called Civil War.

If I want to read the Water 7 arc of One Piece, I again, read chapter 1, then 2, then 3 and so on until I get to chapter 322. I don't need to read chapter 175 of Dragon Ball, chapter 421 of Naruto or chapter 12 of HxH

Even when scratching the surface, when you start a manga you go to chaper 1 and read until it's done. Death Note, HxH, Jojo, etc, there's no crossing over stuff.

For comics, DC and Marvel canon is a mess and you're sort of expected to have at least a passing familiarity with most of the universe already because sometimes the whole conceit of a character's portrayal in a run is "check it out, they're different from before!"

Yes, there's standalone western comics outside of this bubble, but let's be real, like 99% of discussion online is happening around these superhero comics, just like most manga discussion is around Weekly Shonen Jump.

Manga is a lot easier to get into. You start at number one and then read until the end of the series.

Western comics are loaded with convoluted multi-series crossovers, dozens of different continuities, and many different writers and artists for the same character. They're way, way harder to follow and keep track of.

Manga tends to be a continuous story. Manga tends to be written and drawn by the same person/people for the entire run. There's consistency there that doesn't exist in western comics.

Simple and digestible stories vs. More complex lore spanning multiple imprints and series.

This is why manga is outselling comics...also the price.

I4NRulez posted...

not really lol

its more like

"Start at chapter one but you can skip this arc because it sucks and this arc goes no where but it gets really good again at this arc"

Nobody says that about Manga. People will tell you to skip filler arcs in some anime, but Manga is 100% canon from beginning to end.

Zikten posted...

A lot of it is conservative people who don't like western comics being "woke"

They think Japanese manga is more in tune with Republican values.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Manga very rarely has black people in it and that's all that matters

Do either of you have any evidence of this, or are you literally just making shit up.

Let's look at demographics:
https://www.npd.com/news/press-releases/2019/sales-of-manga-books-are-on-the-rise-in-the-united-states-the-npd-group-says/

In the emerging market for manga in the U.S., sales are driven primarily by younger consumers. In 2016 and 2017, 76 percent of manga buyers were between the ages of 13 and 29. While men were more likely to purchase manga (56 percent), women were 16 percent more likely to choose manga titles over other comic books and graphic novels. Manga is one area of the U.S. book market that catching fire with a whole new set of younger and more diverse book buyers, especially those with a special interest in Japanese content across many platforms, including collectible toys, gaming, books, and video, McLean said.

Going "manga is popular because racists don't like black people" is a fucking braindead take based on nothing but your own fucked up desire to want to live in a world where that's true because you like feeling righteous about calling it out. In reality, most of the sales are driven by a 60/40 split of young men and women.

In 2022, 18-29 voters were nearly 70% dems:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voting-patterns-in-the-2022-elections/

So the known age group that drives sales is overwhelmingly young democrat voters. Are you still convinced the primary driving force is "fewer black people"?

Tyranthraxus posted...

Manga very rarely has black people in it and that's all that matters

Yeah that's true, but there's also characters out there like Astolfo (Fate/Apocrypha) which I'm sure they'd melt down over

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/6/1/AAQgjdAAEwp1.jpg

s0nicfan posted...

So the known age group that drives sales is overwhelmingly young democrat voters. Are you still convinced the primary driving force is "fewer black people"?

I never said the primary driving force was fewer black people. I just said conservatives would stomach the "shit that happens" in manga because it has less POCs than Western comics.

Manga is also much more diverse then comics. Comics are mostly super heroes while any genera you can think of has a manga for it.

Tsukasa1891 posted...

Manga is also much more diverse then comics. Comics are mostly super heroes while any genera you can think of has a manga for it.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Are you really sure that most Western comics are superheroes? Does Garfield, Calvin & Hobbs, etc not count as comics?

Tyranthraxus posted...

This doesn't make any sense to me. Are you really sure that most Western comics are superheroes? Does Garfield, Calvin & Hobbs, etc not count as comics?

It was pointed out earlier that 70% of the market is dominated by Marvel/DC. That would be most.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nobody says that about Manga. People will tell you to skip filler arcs in some anime, but Manga is 100% canon from beginning to end.

People definitely say this about anime but ive been told this before about multiple long running mangas.

I like manga more because its typically one persons story and once its over its over. Notable exceptions being the various top shonen anime with no end in sight like Naruto, DB Super, One Piece, etc.

whereas comics have dozens of years of storys because people cant move on from certain characters. Bruce Wayne being the big one for me. Let the man retire and let someone else be Batman or something else entirely. Let dead characters stay dead. But people hate the idea of Bruce not existing and not being the Batman so it shall be for all eternity.

A big part of it for me is the paneling. Way better flow imo. From all the comics ive seen, they have really nice and detailed artwork but they dont move the same way good manga does or I just havent read the good comics with good paneling

Tyranthraxus posted...

This doesn't make any sense to me. Are you really sure that most Western comics are superheroes? Does Garfield, Calvin & Hobbs, etc not count as comics?

We aren't talking about newspaper comics.

Also Calvin and Hobbes ended over 25 years ago.

voldothegr8 posted...

It was pointed out earlier that 70% of the market is dominated by Marvel/DC. That would be most.

Not even all of Marvel is "Marvel"

They put out comics for a lot of disney stuff like Alien, Star Wars, etc.

Of course Marvel has a lot of the market share and DC has been around since the 30's. It's not all cape comics.

Makeveli_lives posted...

I like manga more because its typically one persons story and once its over its over. Notable exceptions being the various top shonen anime with no end in sight like Naruto, DB Super, One Piece, etc.

whereas comics have dozens of years of storys because people cant move on from certain characters. Bruce Wayne being the big one for me. Let the man retire and let someone else be Batman or something else entirely. Let dead characters stay dead. But people hate the idea of Bruce not existing and not being the Batman so it shall be for all eternity.

I actually like both approaches. I like seeing what different writers and artists can do with different characters but sometimes i like the appeal of a cohesive vision.

I get having a preference to one over the other but i dont think one is objectively better. They overlap on so many tropes and styles.

I like Marvel more than DC but i wouldnt say Marvel is better than DC. It just fits my likes more. If you examine them though they are pretty similar.

I4NRulez posted...

Not even all of Marvel is "Marvel"

They put out comics for a lot of disney stuff like Alien, Star Wars, etc.

Of course Marvel has a lot of the market share and DC has been around since the 30's. It's not all cape comics.

DC would also include things like Vertigo.

weebs gonna weeb

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

We aren't talking about newspaper comics.

So Batman and Spider-Man doesnt count because they got newspaper comics?

If I had to choose between the two I enjoy the texture and feel of a book in my hand and when turning the pages much more than I do the glazed over thin magazines of American comics.

I mean personal preference is fine. I love both.