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UnfairRepresent
08/27/23 12:58:22 PM
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All the famous stuff.

Turning 5 loaves and 2 fish into a feast, water into wine, healing menopause just by touching his robe (I mean seriously, not even him, just his clothes), rising from the dead, walking on water to calm the storm, curing blindness, pacifying dragons.

All that good shit.

I find it interesting that I've met a lot of Church going Christians who kinda get uncomfortable and roll their eyes when people bring up the miracles. Some flat out admitting they don't believe in that stuff, they just believe the teachings and others claiming they believe in the miracles but never showing the same zest they do with other parts of the religion.

I think that's somewhat facinating TBH, especially in todays age where believing in things just because someone says so is more topical than ever with Donald Trump, Jinping and the Tories.

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ai123
08/27/23 1:06:08 PM
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Historical Jesus almost certainly existed, but he wasn't of divine origin, and he didn't have powers.

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Tenlaar
08/27/23 1:07:33 PM
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I dont not believe Jesus existed, I know he didnt exist because magic isnt real.
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Maze_
08/27/23 1:12:37 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
I dont not believe Jesus existed, I know he didnt exist because magic isnt real.
That's kinda flawed logic because a dude can still exist despite people making false claims about them.

People falsey claim John McCain set the USS Forrestal on fire and colaborated with the Vietnamese under torture and gave them so much information that he was nicknamed "Songbird"

That's a load of bullshit that didn't happen.

John McCain still existed and was a POW in Vietnam

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BewmHedshot
08/27/23 1:15:04 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
I dont not believe Jesus existed, I know he didnt exist because magic isnt real.
The historicity of Jesus is not really in question.

But he was basically just a hippie who taught love your neighbor and pissed off all the religious and political leaders of the time until they killed him.
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Tenlaar
08/27/23 1:15:08 PM
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Maze_ posted...
That's kinda flawed logic because a dude can still exist despite people making false claims about them.

People falsey claim John McCain set the USS Forrestal on fire and colaborated with the Vietnamese under torture and gave them so much information that he was nicknamed "Songbird"

That's a load of bullshit that didn't happen.

John McCain still existed and was a POW in Vietnam
A person named Jesus that the fictional Christian Jesus was based off of may have existed. The Christian Jesus did not exist because he is an inherently magical being and magic does not exist.
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darkphoenix181
08/27/23 1:17:11 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
A person named Jesus that the fictional Christian Jesus was based off of may have existed.

He 100% existed or you have to throw out most other historical figures since they have less documentation of their existence. The scholars agree in this. Only the most fringe would try to deny the man didn't exist and why is probably some strange bias.
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ai123
08/27/23 1:17:27 PM
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You don't have to be the slightest bit religious to accept that historical Jesus existed.

Accepting Muhammad existed doesn't make you a Muslim. Believing Buddha was an actual person doesn't make you a Buddhist.

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pikakaeru
08/27/23 1:19:59 PM
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No. He is still the savior but I dont believe in the supernatural. God exists as a part of nature and humanity.

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EDF-5
08/27/23 1:23:42 PM
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Yes
it was god pretending to be a normal human
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AldousIsDead
08/27/23 1:25:35 PM
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No, I'm pretty well convinced that there was no historical Jesus.

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darkphoenix181
08/27/23 1:30:59 PM
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AldousIsDead posted...
No, I'm pretty well convinced that there was no historical Jesus.

Do you believe Socrates existed?
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Smashingpmkns
08/27/23 1:34:37 PM
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I'd believe David Blaine does real miracles before I'd believe Jesus did tbh

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Euripides
08/27/23 1:36:13 PM
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Well, he wasn't names Jesus. That's a Hellenistic name attributed to him later, not a Hebrew name

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XxKrazyChaosxX
08/27/23 1:38:40 PM
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https://youtu.be/Ejn4YBOOntM?si=iNJGg7HkpeUOF94A

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Dreepapult
08/27/23 1:43:47 PM
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I'm a 1st century Christian

A follower of The Way. Before everything went to shit and Christianity became super pagan.

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lilORANG
08/27/23 1:47:52 PM
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Of course he did. To believe otherwise is to attribute coincidence to extraordinary facts. For instance, he was born on Christmas? Is that just a coincidence? One of the holiest days? He was resurrected on Easter! coincidence? And If he didn't die for all our sins, then how are we allowed to sin?

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TMOG
08/27/23 1:48:14 PM
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Jesus was a Waterbender
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darkphoenix181
08/27/23 1:57:19 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Of course he did. To believe otherwise is to attribute coincidence to extraordinary facts. For instance, he was born on Christmas? Is that just a coincidence? One of the holiest days? He was resurrected on Easter! coincidence? And If he didn't die for all our sins, then how are we allowed to sin?

He wasn't born on Christmas actually.
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ellis123
08/27/23 2:00:27 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
He 100% existed or you have to throw out most other historical figures since they have less documentation of their existence. The scholars agree in this. Only the most fringe would try to deny the man didn't exist and why is probably some strange bias.
Jesus has less documentation than Harry Potter.

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__aCEr__
08/27/23 2:05:53 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
He wasn't born on Christmas actually.

Seems like you haven't read Paul's letter to the Facetious.

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TMOG
08/27/23 2:07:28 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
The scholars agree in this.
Which scholars
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AldousIsDead
08/27/23 2:09:32 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Do you believe Socrates existed?
Yep.

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apocalyptic_4
08/27/23 2:10:55 PM
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Yes and yes.

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Zikten
08/27/23 2:12:40 PM
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I'm also not convinced that Jesus ever existed. Generally people who say its not in dispute, never really show solid reason to think that.

The Roman texts mentioning him are not proof. Its like over a century after his lifetime, and its just Romans acknowledging that the religion exists. But that doesn't mean those Romans knew he existed.

It was like "oh yea, I heard some people called Christians are now worshipping some guy that I guess we executed or whatever "
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Forest_Temple
08/27/23 2:13:53 PM
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I think he did things any other human is capable of doing

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EndOfDiscOne
08/27/23 2:23:02 PM
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I didnt know that Christians denied this like they do Genesis and Noahs Arc

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Foppe
08/27/23 2:27:16 PM
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How can you be a Christian and deny Christ?
It is like being a Playstation fanboy and deny Sony.

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ai123
08/27/23 2:37:25 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm also not convinced that Jesus ever existed. Generally people who say its not in dispute, never really show solid reason to think that.

The Roman texts mentioning him are not proof. Its like over a century after his lifetime, and its just Romans acknowledging that the religion exists. But that doesn't mean those Romans knew he existed.

It was like "oh yea, I heard some people called Christians are now worshipping some guy that I guess we executed or whatever "
But you never hear people deny that historical figures with far less evidence exist.

People put up a special kind of resistance to historical Jesus because they think It's a gateway drug to religion, or it will somehow render their atheism impure.

Which is absurd.

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Zikten
08/27/23 2:39:57 PM
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There is documentation that proves various historical figures exist. My point is all the documentation of Jesus is really just people 100 years later saying "this religion exists, and they believe in some guy from last century "
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ragnarokius
08/27/23 2:40:12 PM
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Somewhere between yes and no, and not a Christian. I think he probably did things that people didn't understand or couldn't explain at the time but weren't necessarily magic.

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ragnarokius
08/27/23 2:43:00 PM
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ai123 posted...
But you never hear people deny that historical figures with far less evidence exist.

People put up a special kind of resistance to historical Jesus because they think It's a gateway drug to religion, or it will somehow render their atheism impure.

Which is absurd.
Good post. It's always struck me as more edgelord contrarianism than enlightenment or whatever the goal is, tbh. Simply a choice based on preference instead of any actual evidence.

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GSWarriors-
08/27/23 2:46:25 PM
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The real question should be how did people think Jesus is white? He's middle eastern
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Zikten
08/27/23 2:51:11 PM
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GSWarriors- posted...
The real question should be how did people think Jesus is white? He's middle eastern
People in the dark ages didn't even always realize other races exist. Many Europeans went their whole lives not seeing a non white person. They just drew what they knew. I can forgive people that long ago. But modern people thinking he would have been white have no excuse.
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ellis123
08/27/23 2:52:24 PM
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GSWarriors- posted...
The real question should be how did people think Jesus is white? He's middle eastern
It is based on where they live. Hence why Jesus always takes the form of the nationality of where you are at rather than anything particularly concrete.
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BB_mofo
08/27/23 2:54:47 PM
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Roman critics of Christianity literally call him "magus", which is where we get the words "mage" and "magician" from. It's a derogatory term similar to "street magician", "carnival palm reader", or "snake oil salesman". People on the streets performing miracles were a dime a dozen in the ancient world. The Romans wouldn't even bat an eye about stories of Jesus raising the dead.

There are some near eastern pagan spells inscribed in exorcist bowls that call on a bunch of names of dieties and wise men. Jesus is called upon alongside Hermes, Thoth, King Solomon, and Hecate. Kind of shows how ancient people were loose with their beliefs. Even the Christians and Jews of the time believed Zeus and the Greek Pantheon existed at that time. They were merely lesser supernatural beings created by God who were not to be worshiped.

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AldousIsDead
08/27/23 2:57:35 PM
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Zikten posted...
There is documentation that proves various historical figures exist. My point is all the documentation of Jesus is really just people 100 years later saying "this religion exists, and they believe in some guy from last century "
We do have contemporaries who have no clue he existed. We also have Paul who not once mentions Jesus being a dude, even when that would be a slam dunk for his argument. His Jesus is a divine being that tells him things, not formerly a dude.

That doesn't preclude there actually being a dude named Jesus, but it's pretty fuckin weird. The I'm on the side that says that the evidence suggests that Jesus was a divine being euhemarized into a dude later. But let's be clear, the evidence is Bad in either direction.

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Smashingpmkns
08/27/23 2:59:15 PM
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ai123 posted...
But you never hear people deny that historical figures with far less evidence exist.

People put up a special kind of resistance to historical Jesus because they think It's a gateway drug to religion, or it will somehow render their atheism impure.

Which is absurd.
Which historical figures have less evidence than Jesus existing that we accept existed?

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Foppe
08/27/23 3:09:38 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Which historical figures have less evidence than Jesus existing that we accept existed?
People use to bring up Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar, but that is BS.
The Socratic problem on the other hand...

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IMNOTRAGED
08/27/23 3:22:32 PM
#40:


Foppe posted...
How can you be a Christian and deny Christ?
It is like being a Playstation fanboy and deny Sony.

They know that being an adult and saying that you believe in magic is fucking crazy so they try and find a slightly more rational conclusion without giving up on their foundational beliefs.

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UnfairRepresent
08/27/23 8:09:49 PM
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Crazy to me how many conspiracy theorists there are claiming Jesus didn't exist

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xGhostchantx
08/27/23 8:33:22 PM
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nah, i don't really believe the dude ever existed to begin with

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MrResetti
08/27/23 8:35:39 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Crazy to me how many conspiracy theorists there are claiming Jesus didn't exist

Are you actually laughing or just in the game of racking up posts?
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Ratchetrockon
08/27/23 8:49:06 PM
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Ya for sure he was son of God so ofc he can do those things

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PballDepot
08/27/23 8:51:01 PM
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The greatest lie ever told

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bfslick50
08/27/23 8:53:03 PM
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Foppe posted...
People use to bring up Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar, but that is BS.
The Socratic problem on the other hand...

Comparing documentation of Jesus to Alexander the Great or Caesar is fucking weird. Thats like asking if more people know about Joe Biden or my neighbor Jeff. Jesus was a peasant. What percentage of the peasants living under Alexander or Julius can we name?

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UnfairRepresent
08/27/23 9:47:18 PM
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MrResetti posted...
Are you actually laughing or just in the game of racking up posts?
Err

Neither?

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Foppe
08/28/23 1:27:01 AM
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bfslick50 posted...
Comparing documentation of Jesus to Alexander the Great or Caesar is fucking weird. Thats like asking if more people know about Joe Biden or my neighbor Jeff. Jesus was a peasant. What percentage of the peasants living under Alexander or Julius can we name?
All of them that started a world religion.

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haloiscoolisbak
08/28/23 1:37:02 AM
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I don't see how you can believe he was the son of God(or even believe in God) then stop at the miracles

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TMOG
08/28/23 1:38:40 AM
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What if Jesus was a conman who wound up getting in way, way over his head
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