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McSame_as_Bush
08/29/23 7:21:02 PM
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When wildfires destroyed Lahaina on Aug. 8, Miranda Boam lost both of her jobs, her favorite hangout spots and the town she adores.

But while she didnt lose her Lahaina apartment to the blaze, shes about to be displaced for another reason.

Boam and dozens of other tenants around Maui have received 45-day notices to vacate many coming from landlords who say they need their properties back to house family members whose homes were destroyed in the fires.

Alan Lloyd, an organizer with the Maui Tenants Association, said over the last week, the groups hotline has received 10 to 15 calls per day from renters who say theyve received notices to vacate.

Lloyd calls it a second wave of people about to be uprooted from their homes after the fire left thousands homeless in an already tight housing market.

Its really an eviction storm, he said. Its the worst of the worst, because it puts everyone in crisis.

A 45-day notice sent to a renter on a month-to-month lease isnt technically an eviction. And tenants do have some recourse.

They can look online to see if their landlord has listed their unit for rent, which would indicate the property owner isnt really using it for a family member, Lloyd said. In that case, the tenant could write a letter contesting the notice to vacate.

But many renters wont go up against property owners or take them to court because they may need to use the landlord as a reference to get a new rental, or they may simply want to avoid the hassle of a legal battle, he said.

Boams landlord, Liz Straka, told tenants they have to go because her sister lost her home and needs a place to live with her two dogs, according to a copy of the 45-day notice to vacate letter provided to Civil Beat.

Straka did not respond to calls and texts seeking comment.

Boam, 28, who shares the rental property with two other people, noted that people displaced by the fire should be eligible for assistance that Boam and her roommates dont qualify for because their home didnt burn down.

The home, adjacent to Napili Park on Pualu Loop, is north of the area most impacted by the fires.

Boam worked at Reef Dancer, an underwater tour company, and Choice Health Bar, a vegan restaurant which she said both perished in the flames.

I do feel bad if its true and her sister lost her home, but at the same time, youre going to make three people homeless in order to house one person, she said, and that doesnt seem to make a lot of sense.

Boam said finding a rent comparable to the $1,200 a month shes been paying will be difficult, especially a unit that is pet friendly.

Shes starting to imagine that once the 45-day notice expires, shell have to move into a large tent with her two cats, Dobby and Cali.

Its such a weird concept when youre almost planning for homelessness, she said. Theres just no help out there for you because youre not one of the people who lost their house to the fire.

In my life right now, my landlord is my fire, she said.

Gov. Josh Green has temporarily prohibited landlords on Maui from increasing rent prices and terminating tenancies for failure to pay.

Landlords can still kick tenants out, though, in order to house immediate family members at their property, Lloyd said. But while many landlords are using that excuse, he thinks they may have an ulterior motive of raising rents.

Lloyd said he saw the same phenomenon happening during the Covid-19 pandemic when there was a moratorium on evictions. Landlords would still kick out their tenants with the justification that they were moving in family members.

Robert Collier, 55, who works operating a ferry between Maui and Lanai, said he also received a 45-day notice to leave his unit at 70 Pualu Loop in Lahaina.

The notice, issued by property management company Quam Properties Hawaii, says Collier must leave before Oct. 8 but doesnt give a reason.

Four other people also live in the house, he said. Quam Properties did not respond to a phone call or email seeking comment.

The notice compounded Colliers problem after he lost his Lahaina Harbor business with two boats and all his dive gear.

Im so shell shocked and so numb with everything else that Ive lost, said Collier. Youre just getting hit by so many different things in so many different ways, and what do you do?

Collier said hes still working part time for the ferry, which is now running service to Lanai out of Maalaea Harbor, but he lost his ability to earn extra income through his other business doing underwater repair work.

Right now studios are going for $3,000 a month in Lahaina, he said. And I have a 1-year-old German shepard, so it makes it even more difficult to find a place.

Collier could technically fight the property management company because it didnt provide a legitimate reason for kicking him out. But he said he knows the issue will recur once the eviction moratorium expires, and he wants stable housing.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/08/these-maui-tenants-didnt-lose-their-homes-in-the-fire-but-theyre-still-being-displaced/

God forbid the landlords let their families share their own home. Better to make a bunch of people homeless.

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hockeybub89
08/29/23 7:30:28 PM
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How many apartments does that landlord's sister and her two dogs need?

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DrizztLink
08/29/23 7:37:17 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
many coming from landlords who say they need their properties back to house family members whose homes were destroyed in the fires.
Horseshit.

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ProfessorKukui
08/29/23 7:42:52 PM
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landlords looking to cash in with the corpos

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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 12:06:06 PM
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bump

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Questionmarktarius
08/30/23 12:07:05 PM
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A 45-day notice sent to a renter on a month-to-month lease isnt technically an eviction. And tenants do have some recourse.
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Avirosb
08/30/23 12:08:05 PM
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Occupy that space.

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TaylorHeinicke
08/30/23 12:10:21 PM
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between the realtors trying to undercut these people who lost their homes by buying the land for cheap and shit like this, you'd think over 100 people dying would be a wake up call to the insanity that is capitalist real estate.

(it's just words into the wind though because we all know money will never be defeated by emotion)

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Vyrulisse
08/30/23 12:11:41 PM
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It's like vultures swooping in. Seems like everyone is trying to claim that land even the Government there.

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Questionmarktarius
08/30/23 12:12:30 PM
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TaylorHeinicke posted...
you'd think over 100 people dying would be a wake up call to the insanity that is capitalist real estate.
"Let's make everyone tenants!" doesn't seem like a useful answer.
All that changes is that the "landlord" can directly send you to jail.
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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 12:19:55 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/9/AASbx8AAEy_f.jpg

Is there a point you're trying to make?

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bigblu89
08/30/23 12:27:54 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
Is there a point you're trying to make?

The point is that this is common practice, and (as long as they are actually using it for personal use) not against the law.

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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 12:29:18 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
The point is that this is common practice, and (as long as they are actually using it for personal use) not against the law.

Yes, the article made clear that this is legal.

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CommonStar
08/30/23 12:31:08 PM
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Landlords are trying to take advantage of the situation and use any excuse possible so that later they can raise rent for new tenants. It has nothing to do with family.
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TaylorHeinicke
08/30/23 12:41:02 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
"Let's make everyone tenants!" doesn't seem like a useful answer.
All that changes is that the "landlord" can directly send you to jail.
wat

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bigblu89
08/30/23 12:57:52 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
Yes, the article made clear that this is legal.

So then no one is getting "kicked out" like your topic title suggests. It's in the contract.

Listen, I understand that "Landlords are the Devil" but there's a hundred other examples of why they are.

This isn't one*

*Assuming the apartments are being legally used to house family members, like the article suggests.


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Strider102
08/30/23 1:02:56 PM
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"Yeah, my family lost their home, so I need you to get the fuck out of my property so they can live there instead. Kthx bye!"

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Nemu
08/30/23 1:06:54 PM
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Are there any provisions to things like this like "cannot rent for X months" or "must prove occupancy for X months?" It's completely fair that you should be able to use your own property for more important things, but it'd be shitty if it can be abused to just sell it for high profit to land developers.
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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 1:24:50 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
So then no one is getting "kicked out" like your topic title suggests. It's in the contract.

Listen, I understand that "Landlords are the Devil" but there's a hundred other examples of why they are.

This isn't one*

*Assuming the apartments are being legally used to house family members, like the article suggests.

Lol I'm not going to get into an argument over semantics. They are being made to leave their home. Yes, it's legal. Most of the terrible things that landlords do are legal.

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bigblu89
08/30/23 1:33:49 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
Lol I'm not going to get into an argument over semantics. They are being made to leave their home. Yes, it's legal. Most of the terrible things that landlords do are legal.

But you're making it sound like they're being forced to leave so the landlord can hike up the rent and rent to a new person.

Let's say you're on a monthly rental basis and your landlord says they they aren't renewing your lease because their son is graduating college and will be using the apartment while he save up for his own place.

You're not getting "kicked out", you're just not having your rental agreement renewed.

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Cephalopods
08/30/23 1:34:57 PM
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Renters really need more rights & protection in the US. This is horrible
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Questionmarktarius
08/30/23 1:35:22 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
You're not getting "kicked out", you're just not having your rental agreement renewed.
It's like we've all forgotten that a contract has two parties involved.
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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 1:41:43 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
But you're making it sound like they're being forced to leave so the landlord can hike up the rent and rent to a new person.

Let's say you're on a monthly rental basis and your landlord says they they aren't renewing your lease because their son is graduating college and will be using the apartment while he save up for his own place.

You're not getting "kicked out", you're just not having your rental agreement renewed.

Whatever you want to call it, the result is the same. At no point did I say that something illegal was taking place.

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Tenlaar
08/30/23 1:42:41 PM
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As long as they give reasonable notice a landlord should be able to end a rental contract for whatever legal reason they want to.

People who lose their residence because of this, especially when they have a statement from the landlord saying that they are being kicked out for somebody displaced from the fire to move in, should absolutely be eligible for any displacement assistance that people whos residence burned down are. They are losing their home because of the fire, period.
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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 1:46:19 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
As long as they give reasonable notice a landlord should be able to end a rental contract for whatever legal reason they want to.

What about during COVID pre-vaccines?

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bigblu89
08/30/23 1:48:44 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
Whatever you want to call it, the result is the same. At no point did I say that something illegal was taking place.

The closing statement in your OP along with how defensive you got when people pointed that that it was totally legal gives the impression that this was posted as something more than just a topic of information.

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bigblu89
08/30/23 1:51:14 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
What about during COVID pre-vaccines?

Looks like it was the same issue. Is there any proof that those residents during Covid were replaced by new renters paying a higher rent?

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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 1:54:15 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
The closing statement in your OP along with how defensive you got when people pointed that that it was totally legal gives the impression that this was posted as something more than just a topic of information.

Yes, I offered my opinion on the morality of making people homeless instead of having your sister sleep on a futon.

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bigblu89
08/30/23 1:57:00 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
Yes, I offered my opinion on the morality of making people homeless instead of having your sister sleep on a futon.

But you're doing it based on assumptions that only one person was displaced.

What if it's a sister, their husband, and their 4 kids. Along with their other sister that lived next door to them, along with her family?

You're making a lot of assumptions just to try to make the statement that landlords are scum, where there are a dozen of other examples that would've made the same point and have actual proof.

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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 1:57:21 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Looks like it was the same issue. Is there any proof that those residents during Covid were replaced by new renters paying a higher rent?

There was a COVID eviction moratorium.

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bigblu89
08/30/23 2:00:17 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
There was a COVID eviction moratorium.

Rereading the article, I understand that.
And that's an example of bad practices by a landlord.
At this point, there's no proof of that happening now.

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McSame_as_Bush
08/30/23 2:04:46 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Rereading the article, I understand that.
And that's an example of bad practices by a landlord.
At this point, there's no proof of that happening now.

No, that's an example of the government passing a law to protect the health and welfare of tenants. It impacted good landlords and bad landlords. Hawaii could take a similar action in this circumstance.

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bigblu89
08/30/23 2:07:20 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
No, that's an example of the government passing a law to protect the health and welfare of tenants. It impacted good landlords and bad landlords. Hawaii could take a similar action in this circumstance.

Possibly. My assumption is it would be based on how many people were displaced

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DarkChozoGhost
08/30/23 2:35:36 PM
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This is wrong, period. Landlords should not be able to force people out just because they want to use the property differently, even if it's for family members. The leases should be honored. Even if they are legally able to do so, it is outright evil.

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Questionmarktarius
08/30/23 2:37:55 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
The leases should be honored.
these are month-by-month "leases".
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A_Good_Boy
08/30/23 2:43:35 PM
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Strider102 posted...
"Yeah, my family lost their home, so I need you to get the fuck out of my property so they can live there instead. Kthx bye!"
Is it really so bad that a landlord may want to provide for their family of they have the means? Sure, the current occupants are screwed but it's not like the property is being listed as vacant so they can charge for higher rent. The homes are going to someone else that also lost everything in a fire. It's not an ideal situation for anybody, but sometimes you need to make tough decisions in a crisis.

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Gritty
08/30/23 2:55:03 PM
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This shit is why people want laws against landlords or the ability to strongly regulate
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punkfanalways
08/30/23 2:57:22 PM
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We literally have people saying because it's legal it's not wrong. As if the law exists to protect anyone other than those with capital. There's a reason why the fire service is free and healthcare isn't.
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Tenlaar
08/30/23 2:58:16 PM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
What about during COVID pre-vaccines?
Do you mean during the eviction moratoriums? Because that would fall under for whatever legal reason. Evicting people during the moratorium would not be legal.
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punkfanalways
08/30/23 2:58:23 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Is it really so bad that a landlord may want to provide for their family of they have the means? Sure, the current occupants are screwed but it's not like the property is being listed as vacant so they can charge for higher rent. The homes are going to someone else that also lost everything in a fire. It's not an ideal situation for anybody, but sometimes you need to make tough decisions in a crisis.

This is assuming the landlords are acting in good faith. I'm sure some of them are and for those I have no issues. For those that are using this as an excuse to make more money off a bad situation... fuck them.
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bigblu89
08/30/23 3:07:44 PM
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punkfanalways posted...
We literally have people saying because it's legal it's not wrong. As if the law exists to protect anyone other than those with capital. There's a reason why the fire service is free and healthcare isn't.

No, we're having people say if it's legal AND they are not using this for nefarious means, it's not wrong.

You literally said it yourself:

assuming the landlords are acting in good faith. I'm sure some of them are and for those I have no issues. For those that are using this as an excuse to make more money off a bad situation... fuck them.

I have yet to read anyone in this thread that has said otherwise.

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Zeeak4444
08/30/23 3:19:10 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
So then no one is getting "kicked out" like your topic title suggests. It's in the contract.

Listen, I understand that "Landlords are the Devil" but there's a hundred other examples of why they are.

This isn't one*

*Assuming the apartments are being legally used to house family members, like the article suggests.

you're absolutely being kicked out even if its legal.


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DrizztLink
08/30/23 3:19:50 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
I have yet to read anyone in this thread that has said otherwise.
Otherwise.

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punkfanalways
08/30/23 3:20:11 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
No, we're having people say if it's legal AND they are not using this for nefarious means, it's not wrong.

You literally said it yourself:

I have yet to read anyone in this thread that has said otherwise.

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bigblu89
08/30/23 3:25:47 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Otherwise.
Touche'

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flussence
08/30/23 4:08:10 PM
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Does the landlord actually own the land or did they roll up in a cruise ship one day and take it to sell it back?

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