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wackyteen
09/10/23 1:20:13 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-general-admits-ukraine-just-a-stepping-stone-to-invade-europe/ar-AA1gtZQc?

A key Russian general who Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted this week views the invasion of Ukraine as a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.
Putin launched the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, sparking fears from many analysts that the Kremlin may have greater ambitions beyond taking control of its former Soviet neighbor. Russian commentators and lawmakers have often heightened those fears with their anti-North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) rhetoric throughout the warroutinely encouraging direct strikes on European and even American targets.
This week, Putin promoted Lieutenant General Andrey Mordvichev to the rank of Colonel-General. The military leader had already been serving in the role of commanding the Central Military District and Russian Central Grouping of Forces in Ukraine.
In a recent interview with Moscow's state-run Russia-1, a clip of which circulated widely on social media Saturday, Mordvichev said he believes Putin's war will last quite a long time and expand in the future.
"I think there's still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer," the general said.
"Ukraine is only a stepping stone?" the interviewer then asked.
"Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," Mordvichev responded, who went on to say that the war "will not stop here."

Newsweek reached out to the Russian embassy via email for comment.
Ahead of the invasion of Ukraine, Putin laid out a vision to reconstitute the long-defunct Russian Empire's territories into a unified block. The Russian leader and his allies have repeatedly said they do not view Ukraine as independent from Russia, saying that the sovereign nation should be brought back under Moscow's control.
Some of Putin's allies have often floated the possibility of expanding the Kremlin's invasion into NATO countries, including Poland and several other Eastern European nations. Analysts have citied the Russian president's vision and the suggestions to expand the war from his various allies as worrying signs that Moscow could push its military efforts beyond Ukraine.
NATO leaders have defended their military and humanitarian aide to Ukraine, saying their aim is to prevent Putin from pushing his forces further west into Europe. Eastern European nations, such as Poland, have been some of Ukraine's loudest defenders as their leaders fear their borders could be next to be challenged by Putin's forces.
Russian leaders claim that their Ukraine invasion was defensive to prevent NATO's expansion, and to protect Russian-speakers in Ukraine from "genocide." They claim that Kyiv's government is led by Nazis, while also saying that Ukraine is too supportive of LGBTQ+ rights.
Many view the Nazi claim as particularly bizarre. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish, and is himself a native Russian-speaker. During his 2019 election campaign he drew criticism for his accent when he spoke Ukrainian. At the time when Zelensky won and took office, Ukraine's prime minister was also Jewish.

You're barely holding your own against Ukraine but you think you can win a war against the actual full force and might of Europe with the United States leading the charge?

I know there's a joke about "It's not a war crime the first time" but what we'd collectively do to Russia would be a war crime.

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Caracalla
09/10/23 1:23:00 PM
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Wont happen. They cant even roll over Ukraine, which was already the poorest country in Europe before the war started. Honestly, I think the war will be over by the end of the year.
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evilpresident
09/10/23 1:23:40 PM
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They said the quiet thing out loud again.

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brestugo
09/10/23 1:25:07 PM
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Saying the quiet part out loud.

Jill Stein: "bUt NaTo!"

EDIT: Ninja'd.

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bfslick50
09/10/23 1:26:22 PM
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Exactly why he had such a hard on every time Trump said NATO was obsolete

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Funkydog
09/10/23 1:28:34 PM
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How many days would it take for Russia to collapse if they did?

They can't even take Ukraine, let alone almost the entire modern world.

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Dark_Arbron
09/10/23 1:28:46 PM
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Has Russia had a single positive effect on the world circa the 90s? Should it have been abolished?

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Damn_Underscore
09/10/23 1:32:06 PM
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If they tried this Russia would be under new management

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wanderingshade
09/10/23 1:36:10 PM
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Elongated Muskrat "Ukraine just needs to stop fighting >:("

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Southernfatman
09/10/23 1:36:59 PM
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General Orlov over here:

https://youtu.be/x99njmZxaMA?si=QeSAqwhvFeq-C2Ij&t=24

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uwnim
09/10/23 1:53:26 PM
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Doing that sounds like a terrible idea. Guarantees that Kaliningrad would no longer be part of Russia.

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CoyoteTheGreat
09/10/23 1:54:38 PM
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When you can't even step on the stepping stone, its probably time to tamp down on your ambitions to cross the entire lake on foot.

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Tyranthraxus
09/10/23 1:55:26 PM
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uwnim posted...
Doing that sounds like a terrible idea. Guarantees that Kaliningrad would no longer be part of Russia.
Guarantees Russia will no longer be a part of Russia

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Foppe
09/10/23 1:55:31 PM
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Since the Ukraine invasion, we learned that Russian state TV have shown invasions plans of Sweden multiple times. Maps, military guys talking about it, the real deal.
It was one of the reasons why Sweden wants to join NATO.

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McMarbles
09/10/23 2:09:34 PM
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But guys, if we just give them what they want, theyll stop /s

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tremain07
09/10/23 2:10:07 PM
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wackyteen posted...
with the United States leading the charge?
That's simple, wait for a Republican to get elected before going after Europe

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ScazarMeltex
09/10/23 2:20:43 PM
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Their goal was always at least the reincorporation of the Baltic states back into their fold. The way they would accomplish this is a quick invasion and occupation without escalating beyond Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania borders. Then by digging in. Forcing NATO nations to either accept it or force them to sell their voting population on a costly war that to liberate three countries that most of them have never heard of.

Ukraine was a test run of their military's ability to be able to be abele to conduct the complex operations required to make this plan work. It's why the invaded on a multi-axis front combined with an airdrop into the Capital. It failed miserably.

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Saxon
09/10/23 2:23:40 PM
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Ukraine will probably fall after the presidential election because right now the only thing holding the country together is Biden's financial aid to fund the resistance that has already reached 60 billion American tax payer dollars.

I would have to assume the next president will cut 'em off completely especially if that next president is Trump.
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Wedge_Antilles
09/10/23 2:26:02 PM
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Poland would probably love to see Russia try.

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UnholyMudcrab
09/10/23 2:26:51 PM
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Saxon posted...
Ukraine will probably fall after the presidential election because right now the only thing holding the country together is Biden's financial aid to fund the resistance that has already reached 60 billion American tax payer dollars.

I would have to assume the next president will cut 'em off completely especially if that next president is Trump.
Shit, is it moddable nowadays to say Saxon = joke account? Wouldn't really surprise me.

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Foppe
09/10/23 2:26:51 PM
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Saxon posted...
Ukraine will probably fall after the presidential election because right now the only thing holding the country together is Biden's financial aid to fund the resistance that has already reached 60 billion American tax payer dollars.

I would have to assume the next president will cut 'em off completely especially if that next president is Trump.
I thought 98% of that were equipment in stockpile?

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streamofthesky
09/10/23 2:28:47 PM
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Also recall Lukashenko standing in front of the map showing Moldova was next.

tremain07 posted...
That's simple, wait for a Republican to get elected before going after Europe
Frankly, Putin's greatest fuck up was waiting to invade till Biden was in office. I guess he was really confident Trump would get a 2nd term.
Really can't understate how dire the consequences will be if Dems lose next year. Only real recourse at that point is for Biden in his lame duck period in office to cross all of Russia's "red lines" and give Ukraine all kinds of goodies and clearance to use them on Russian soil, to poison the well enough that even Trump can't reverse course and make "peace" with Russia at that point.
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Saxon
09/10/23 2:35:22 PM
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Ukraine must really hate Bill Clinton because back in the mid 90s he managed to negotiate the country into giving their nukes back to Russia to be dismantled after the breakup of Soviet Union.

If Ukraine still had those nukes there would be no invasion today.
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ScazarMeltex
09/10/23 2:36:33 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Also recall Lukashenko standing in front of the map showing Moldova was next.

Frankly, Putin's greatest fuck up was waiting to invade till Biden was in office. I guess he was really confident Trump would get a 2nd term.
Really can't understate how dire the consequences will be if Dems lose next year. Only real recourse at that point is for Biden in his lame duck period in office to cross all of Russia's "red lines" and give Ukraine all kinds of goodies and clearance to use them on Russian soil, to poison the well enough that even Trump can't reverse course and make "peace" with Russia at that point.
If Ukraine falls it will be a genocide. The Russians invaded with mobile crematoriums. That was when they thought it would be quick and relatively easy. What do you think they will do to the people who have made them look completely weak?

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Foppe
09/10/23 2:37:26 PM
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Ukraine couldnt have used those nukes, they were just draining resources.

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Gritty
09/10/23 2:37:32 PM
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Cant wait til we get directly involved and repubs have to hide their Putin slurping
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wackyteen
09/10/23 2:41:46 PM
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tremain07 posted...
That's simple, wait for a Republican to get elected before going after Europe
As if the Military Industrial Complex would allow Republicans to just sit by and let a major war go on

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Agonized_rufous
09/10/23 2:44:28 PM
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The global economy is getting out of hand again....time to kill off the kid and young adults again to get it back in line

Chinas gonna be licking it's lips over Taiwan, but that island ain't big enough to get a military economy bumping.

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LaLeyenda
09/10/23 2:50:14 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
Exactly why he had such a hard on every time Trump said NATO was obsolete
Trump has been Pro-Russia since the 80s. He goes way back.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-fbi-russia-new-york-times-craig-unger
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/donald-trump-angled-soviet-posting-1980s-says-nobel-prize-winner-1006312/amp/
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842
https://newrepublic.com/article/165553/donald-trump-everything-vladimir-putin-wished-russian-asset
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html
https://medium.com/@abbievansickle/timeline-of-trumps-relationship-to-russia-5e78c7e7f480
https://time.com/5401645/putins-oligarchs/?amp=true
https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties


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Gritty
09/10/23 3:07:59 PM
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LaLeyenda posted...
Trump has been Pro-Russia since the 80s. He goes way back.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-fbi-russia-new-york-times-craig-unger
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/donald-trump-angled-soviet-posting-1980s-says-nobel-prize-winner-1006312/amp/
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842
https://newrepublic.com/article/165553/donald-trump-everything-vladimir-putin-wished-russian-asset
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html
https://medium.com/@abbievansickle/timeline-of-trumps-relationship-to-russia-5e78c7e7f480
https://time.com/5401645/putins-oligarchs/?amp=true
https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties

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Nikra
09/10/23 3:11:21 PM
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Nato: One for all. All for one.
The musketeer oath:
If you attack one country, you attack all countries.

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Inohira
09/10/23 3:13:57 PM
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To be fair Russia would be able to do this if nobody bothered helping those countries. It's just not capable of planning around support from stronger nations.

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Iodine
09/10/23 3:20:17 PM
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They can't even beat Ukraine, how are they supposed to take over Europe?

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TheHorus
09/10/23 4:48:30 PM
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Little Russia think its the Superpower of the Axis of Evil trying to start World War III with North Korea, China, and Iran. But really has been the Italy equivalent of the Axis powers in the World War II era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdbGNdS8ZQ0
https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/inside-nuclear-threat-russia-china-north-korea-iran
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/07/28/the-axis-of-russia-iran-and-china-birth-of-a-new-world-order/amp/
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4190956-why-the-north-korea-russia-alliance-is-worrying-america/amp/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/19/us-china-russia-relations-00087633
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

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Taharqa_
09/10/23 4:54:22 PM
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They can't even take Ukraine in an all out war, Finland to the north would push their shit in.


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bover_87
09/11/23 8:31:35 AM
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Russia thinks war is just spamming shells.

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Were_Wyrm
09/11/23 8:43:02 AM
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Oh yeah? Him and what army?

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Bat178
09/11/23 9:37:59 AM
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Foppe posted...
Since the Ukraine invasion, we learned that Russian state TV have shown invasions plans of Sweden multiple times. Maps, military guys talking about it, the real deal.
It was one of the reasons why Sweden wants to join NATO.
And now that Finland is in NATO, they have no way of doing a ground invasion of Sweden. It would have to be naval and aerial, and they'd get stomped just trying to get to Sweden, much less taking on a fully functioning First World country with NATO support.

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Bat178
09/11/23 9:50:40 AM
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TheHorus posted...
Little Russia think its the Superpower of the Axis of Evil trying to start World War III with North Korea, China, and Iran. But really has been the Italy equivalent of the Axis powers in the World War II era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdbGNdS8ZQ0
https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/inside-nuclear-threat-russia-china-north-korea-iran
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/07/28/the-axis-of-russia-iran-and-china-birth-of-a-new-world-order/amp/
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4190956-why-the-north-korea-russia-alliance-is-worrying-america/amp/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/19/us-china-russia-relations-00087633
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers
I'd argue Russia are more the Imperial Japan equivalent, while Iran are the Italy.

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masterpug53
09/11/23 9:54:19 AM
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Rare footage of modern Russia's 'stepping stone' attempt at conquering Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2UQSSoSdTM

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Baha05
09/11/23 10:01:49 AM
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https://youtu.be/z77JFw2D6f8?si=bOPTi6PDST-ix_1b

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rodu_jr
09/11/23 10:06:34 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
Rare footage of modern Russia's 'stepping stone' attempt at conquering Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2UQSSoSdTM
I miss that show
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Foppe
09/11/23 10:11:13 AM
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Bat178 posted...
And now that Finland is in NATO, they have no way of doing a ground invasion of Sweden. It would have to be naval and aerial, and they'd get stomped just trying to get to Sweden, much less taking on a fully functioning First World country with NATO support.
There is a reason Sweden started to do military patrols on the island Gotland, Russia would not move over land.

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mustachedmystic
09/11/23 10:11:53 AM
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Foppe posted...
Ukraine couldnt have used those nukes, they were just draining resources.
Most people dont realize how much money, and expert manpower it talked just to maintain nuclear weapons and keep them in a usable state.

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