Board 8 > Unity plans to start charging devs per installation

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Raka_Putra
09/13/23 12:10:40 PM
#101:


foolm0r0n posted...
Basically nothing we hear from Unity for the next 2-8 weeks is worth trusting. They're gonna waffle back and forth and try all kinds of things. Who knows where they will end up.
Yeah, I think this is the main take-away.

The other engines are having a field day on social media.

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ChaosTonyV4
09/13/23 4:21:16 PM
#102:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I have a feeling that's going to change now that Unity is on the same shit list as Epic Games (who own the Unreal engine).

I dont know anyone who would put Unreal on a shit list, let alone one this bad.

Tim Sweeney kinda sucks, but Epic has been making a huge effort to make Unreal more accessible.

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Kenri
09/13/23 4:27:42 PM
#103:


Someone convince me this isn't going to lead to a mass delisting of already released games that were made in Unity

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Grimlyn
09/13/23 4:32:39 PM
#104:


we'll have to wait for all the lawsuits on that

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MacArrowny
09/13/23 4:40:07 PM
#105:


Kenri posted...
Someone convince me this isn't going to lead to a mass delisting of already released games that were made in Unity
Why would they delist? Devs can leave their game up and pay $.20 every time someone buys their game, or take their game down and make nothing. Remember, this only applies to games that made at least $200,000 in the last 12 months.

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Grimlyn
09/13/23 4:42:47 PM
#106:


MacArrowny posted...
Devs can leave their game up and pay $.20 every time someone buys their game
that's not what incurs the $.20 charge

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MacArrowny
09/13/23 4:45:25 PM
#107:


Grimlyn posted...
that's not what incurs the $.20 charge
Sure. Under the recently revised info, it's only the first download the incurs the charge, so devs will end up paying less than $.20 per purchase, because not everyone who buys their games will download them.

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Grimlyn
09/13/23 4:51:35 PM
#108:


MacArrowny posted...
Under the recently revised info, it's only the first download the incurs the charge
that is actually not what the revised info says

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Kenri
09/13/23 4:53:25 PM
#109:


There's also absolutely no way for them to know if a download is the first download or not, AFAIK

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ivysnow
09/13/23 4:59:03 PM
#110:


there's no reason for any dev to ever trust unity again after this imo. displaying the willingness to spring this kind of bullshit without warning might as well be attaching a glowing neon sign to your product that says WE WILL FUCK YOU OVER, regardless of any backpedaling that occurs
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Grimlyn
09/13/23 5:00:07 PM
#111:


getting a cut of your sales is what royalties are

if that's what unity wanted they could just do that

they don't, they wanna do this abstract installs bullshit that only they can audit

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MacArrowny
09/13/23 5:10:28 PM
#112:


Kenri posted...
There's also absolutely no way for them to know if a download is the first download or not, AFAIK
Same way they know how many downloads a game has in the past year, I guess?

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FFDragon
09/13/23 5:32:35 PM
#113:


Too lazy to see if this has already been posted

https://www.pcgamesn.com/cult-of-the-lamb/deleted

But cult of the lamb is prepared to call their bluff

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xenosaga
09/13/23 5:44:49 PM
#114:


Kenri posted...
There's also absolutely no way for them to know if a download is the first download or not, AFAIK

And their response is 'trust us bro, we can tell legits downloads. Dont ask us how.'
They also claimed that GamePass, Charity Bundles, and pirated games won't incur the fee, but there is no way of knowing what installs those are unless they're expecting devs to do the additional work on tracking keys. Extra work to pay more fees in an agreement you probably didn't agree to. Unity!

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RikkuAlmighty
09/13/23 5:58:12 PM
#115:


https://x.com/megacrit/status/1702077576209207611?s=46&t=F948ZqZ1Fth38HL1s84rtg

bravo

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Kenri
09/13/23 6:09:10 PM
#116:


MacArrowny posted...
Same way they know how many downloads a game has in the past year, I guess?
Whoops, I meant installs and yeah I'm not sure how they can know that either, at least without violating some EU privacy laws.

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TeamRocketElite
09/13/23 6:12:38 PM
#117:


MacArrowny posted...

Same way they know how many downloads a game has in the past year, I guess?


The FAQ says:
"We leverage our own proprietary data model and will provide estimates of the number of times the runtime is distributed for a given project this estimate will cover an invoice for all platforms."
Source: https://unity.com/pricing-updates

So developers would need to take it on trust that Unity is charging them correctly. They aren't exactly big on trust right now.

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Grand_Kirby
09/13/23 6:29:19 PM
#118:


Kenri posted...
Whoops, I meant installs and yeah I'm not sure how they can know that either, at least without violating some EU privacy laws.
That's what the malware company they bought out is for, I'm sure.

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foolm0r0n
09/13/23 6:57:02 PM
#119:


It seems like this story is catching on with gamers too, which means it probably won't go away for a long time

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KamikazePotato
09/13/23 6:58:06 PM
#120:


foolm0r0n posted...
It seems like this story is catching on with gamers too, which means it probably won't go away for a long time
It's all over game-centric news sites and social media.

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redrocket
09/13/23 6:58:16 PM
#121:


#enginegate

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Bane_Of_Despair
09/13/23 9:15:41 PM
#122:


https://www.humblebundle.com/software/2023-learn-unity-game-development-bundle-software

Lol

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KamikazePotato
09/13/23 9:30:07 PM
#123:


Holy F

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/16hnibp/unity_silently_removed_their_github_repo_to_track/

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FFDragon
09/13/23 9:44:28 PM
#124:


yeeeeah after reading all that im plain out on unity games moving forward

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Xiahou_Shake
09/13/23 9:50:33 PM
#125:


KamikazePotato posted...
Holy F

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/16hnibp/unity_silently_removed_their_github_repo_to_track/
Yeah this is the final nail, holy bajesus dude.

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RikkuAlmighty
09/13/23 9:57:42 PM
#126:


KamikazePotato posted...
Holy F

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/16hnibp/unity_silently_removed_their_github_repo_to_track/
This just went from malevolent incompetence to fuck these guys forever.

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BlueCrystalTear
09/13/23 10:42:27 PM
#127:


KamikazePotato posted...
Holy F

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/16hnibp/unity_silently_removed_their_github_repo_to_track/
How diabolically brilliant. Good thing they got caught before fucking anyone over, and everything is right in the world. Did they really think they could get away with all this?

FFDragon posted...
yeeeeah after reading all that im plain out on unity games moving forward
Maybe I'll buy a few now, before any bullshit goes into effect. I won't buy any new releases made in Unity and any older titles I may offer to pay the fee for the dev, if any goes into effect.

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UshiromiyaEva
09/14/23 2:11:26 AM
#128:


https://twitter.com/AggroCrabGames/status/1702103873283035345?s=19.

Attempts to talk to devs appear to be doing nothing but delaying additional shit talking until more details about how bad it is come out soon.

"We'll refrain from discourse until more info is out there" is quite a statement to make in the same tweet you say they just told you said info in private.

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FFDragon
09/14/23 10:05:41 AM
#129:


Unity has confirmed that pirated installs count by default and developers have to request an investigation (of data only they have) if they suspect there are discrepancies in the number of installs.

Get absolutely fucked unity.

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GuessMyUserName
09/14/23 10:16:16 AM
#130:


FFDragon posted...
Unity has confirmed that pirated installs count by default and developers have to request an investigation (of data only they have) if they suspect there are discrepancies in the number of installs.
ahahahahah

disgruntled gamers gonna feast with virtual machines

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foolm0r0n
09/14/23 11:21:06 AM
#131:


My idea was to ship 500gb extra junk in my executable so spammers can only uninstall/reinstall a couple times a day instead of hundreds of times a day

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AriaOfBolo
09/14/23 11:43:10 AM
#132:


foolm0r0n posted...
My idea was to ship 500gb extra junk in my executable

so THAT'S why video games are Like That lately

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Raka_Putra
09/14/23 4:31:18 PM
#133:


https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

...oh

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ZeldaTPLink
09/14/23 4:55:25 PM
#134:


Raka_Putra posted...
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

...oh

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kevwaffles
09/14/23 5:03:54 PM
#135:


Raka_Putra posted...
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

...oh

On the one hand I believe that some death threats happened.

On the other hand he was NEVER gonna have a public facing forum after this.

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Kenri
09/14/23 5:17:01 PM
#136:


Yeah I 100% believe that death threats happened and 0% believe that they were the actual reason anything was canceled.

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TeamRocketElite
09/14/23 5:24:13 PM
#137:


It's one thing to cancel a meeting. But, closing down offices for a day seems like a big much if they don't actually think the threat is real.

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kevwaffles
09/14/23 5:42:09 PM
#138:


TeamRocketElite posted...
It's one thing to cancel a meeting. But, closing down offices for a day seems like a big much if they don't actually think the threat is real.

I do not see them as above being performative to gain sympathy.

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red13n
09/14/23 5:46:38 PM
#139:


i mean, I'm sure plenty of people insinuated that he probably should be towards the front of the line for a guillotine but this is hardly a credible death threat.

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UshiromiyaEva
09/14/23 5:47:16 PM
#140:


Don't buy it at all.

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Reg
09/14/23 5:49:26 PM
#141:


Kenri posted...
Yeah I 100% believe that death threats happened and 0% believe that they were the actual reason anything was canceled.

kevwaffles posted...
I do not see them as above being performative to gain sympathy.
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UshiromiyaEva
09/14/23 5:51:33 PM
#142:


I would actually not be surprised to hear that Riccitello issued death threats to some studio heads.

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Xtlm
09/14/23 5:53:10 PM
#143:


This means that they can lose money on a sale, right?

Someone will either devote their life or create a program to uninstall and reinstall a game infinite times just to screw over a dev they don't like.

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GuessMyUserName
09/14/23 6:29:31 PM
#144:


lol very wrong topic

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WazzupGenius00
09/14/23 8:28:23 PM
#145:


Death threat was almost certainly overblown
Update: San Francisco police told Polygon that officers responded to Unitys San Francisco office regarding a threats incident. A reporting party told police that an employee made a threat towards his employer using social media. The employee that made the threat works in an office outside of California, according to the police statement

https://www.polygon.com/23873727/unity-credible-death-threat-offices-closed-pricing-change


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BlueCrystalTear
09/14/23 9:26:06 PM
#146:


The fact that the guy sold the stocks right before this news means he knew there would be negative press covfefe about this. And yet he did it anyway. Not smart.

I can see why the death threats happened. It's still sad how there are mentally deranged people all over who feel it's okay to do that. Two wrongs don't make a right. "You should be fired for this" is absolutely fine, though, because it's true.

Pirated installs counting is also ludicrous. How the fuck are devs supposed to know how many that is? Good luck with that.

Unity is dying. I'm glad I haven't started any coding yet because I am not using that now.

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MacArrowny
09/14/23 9:42:46 PM
#147:


I bet the 'death threat' was an employee being like "man, I could fucking kill John for this"

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foolm0r0n
09/14/23 11:00:05 PM
#148:


Probably someone who traded in his salary for stock options hoping the stock would go up

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catesdb
09/14/23 11:08:52 PM
#149:


foolm0r0n posted...
Probably someone who traded in his salary for stock options hoping the stock would go up
this reminds me, I should figure out how to sell my companys stock

so that I dont threaten to kill anyone

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