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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:17:56 PM
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It seems like tensions are higher than ever in my life (30 years). I was reading about traffic accidents being up since the pandemic and some people blame people being frustrated, social tensions, unhappiness everywhere, people stressed and impatient. Is it true that society in general is filled with more tension, more impatience, more unhappiness?

I wouldn't doubt it. It feels like the war between the right and left is worse than ever. Both sides are responsible for this in my opinion. Yes, the right is awful, but the left does not help heal the tensions either, hating the other side just as much as the right hates them. Im sure there are peaceful people in the middle, maybe the internet just amplifies the loudest voices (Maybe that's actually part of the problem) but it doesn't seem like the loud voices on the left are interested in healing and in bringing the sides together.

But what CAN be done to heal things, to bring the sides together, to lessen tensions and not make everybody feel on edge like they're in a civil war? Who is needed to actually calm the country?

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:18:11 PM
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And since I forgot to say in the topic title by "this country" I mean the US lol

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TyVulpine
09/16/23 12:19:00 PM
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No one person can heal it, regardless of what people like Trump claim. It's too big and there's just too many problems.

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Murphiroth
09/16/23 12:19:30 PM
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LMAO knew from the title this would be generic "both sides" garbage.
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Crimson_Corsair
09/16/23 12:19:38 PM
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This topic isn't going to go well for you. As soon as you mentioned bOtH sIdEs you lost.

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Billyionaire
09/16/23 12:21:55 PM
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This country has been in significantly worse shape than it is now and comes back stronger every time. Read your history books.

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Irony
09/16/23 12:23:58 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok
09/16/23 12:24:25 PM
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The USA doesn't need to be healed. It needs to be toppled.

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Crimsoness
09/16/23 12:24:42 PM
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Me, with ultra violence

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Guide
09/16/23 12:27:52 PM
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I'd like to try to get reasoning, maybe logic, mandated into the public core curriculum. Can't buy into PragerU if you can write down, objectively, how they make no fucking sense.

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OudeGeuze
09/16/23 12:28:23 PM
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Crimson_Corsair
09/16/23 12:29:38 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
The USA doesn't need to be healed. It needs to be toppled.


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Heineken14
09/16/23 12:29:52 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
Both sides are responsible for this in my opinion.


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Pitlord_Special
09/16/23 12:32:09 PM
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#bothsides

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cjsdowg
09/16/23 12:33:33 PM
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Oh I am so sorry the left is not coming together with racist and bigots. I hope you are asked to bow down to someone who doesn't think you have the fucking right to exist . If anything thing the left have been too nice to these people.

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Turbam
09/16/23 12:33:56 PM
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Me, I'll do it

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:35:41 PM
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Its funny how people scoff at "both sides" and then demonstrate exactly why people say both sides in the first place lol

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Irony
09/16/23 12:37:21 PM
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People say both sides because they're on the shitty side but want to make it look like they are neutral.

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Torgo
09/16/23 12:38:24 PM
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Even this assessment dances around the problem that the stalling and stays quo is yet another symptom of republicans actively sabotaging any legislative agenda, even stuff they theoretically agree on just to deny any legislative victory for democrats.

They can't even let us make debt payments without using it as a stunt to shut down the government.

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Heineken14
09/16/23 12:38:24 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
Its funny how people scoff at "both sides" and then demonstrate exactly why people say both sides in the first place lol


Your ignorance shouldn't be something you brag about.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:39:36 PM
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So let me rephrase, who can heal this country to stop people from thinking that even SAYING both sides is controversial? Like do you even see how that is a problem that can't be come back from if half the country hates the other half and everybody is unhappy?

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Heineken14
09/16/23 12:40:47 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
So let me rephrase, who can heal this country to stop people from thinking that even SAYING both sides is controversial? Like do you even see how that is a problem that can't be come back from if half the country hates the other half and everybody is unhappy?


No, the problem is if someone is so blinded by ignorance that they see both sides as being equally at fault.

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Guide
09/16/23 12:41:00 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
Its funny how people scoff at "both sides" and then demonstrate exactly why people say both sides in the first place lol

One person wants to kill you. The other doesn't. They are arguing about whether you should die.

Which side do you take? Do you think they both have merits?

Cause 100,000 people went to the White House, and a lot of them had swastikas and thor's hammers on their arms and clothes.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:41:40 PM
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Nah, the problem is that one side is bad and the other side is oblivious to their own bad behavior and the things that they are doing to worsen tensions in the country for their own part....

And everybody acting like the other side is ONLY full of the worst of the people they hate.

I wonder if having an actual person try to bring together the middle of the country (probably the majority) away from the far left and far right would actually help lol

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:43:03 PM
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Guide posted...
One person wants to kill you. The other doesn't. They are arguing about whether you should die.

Which side do you take? Do you think they both have merits?

Cause 100,000 people went to the White House, and a lot of them had swastikas and thor's hammers on their arms and clothes.

Yes, but this isn't the full story. Half the country does not want to kill you. Im Jewish. Yes there are nazis on the far right. That doesn't mean half the country is full of nazis. But if you preach this it will not help at all. That only widens the wound we have right now. The nazis yes, they should be condemned. But that doesn't mean we refuse to acknowledge the many people that are not nazis

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Dancedreamer
09/16/23 12:43:06 PM
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We're too divided for our country to ever heal. There's no point in trying tbh.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:43:44 PM
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The problem is people think the image on the upper right is an accurate representation of all republicans vs all democrats and then respond as if that's the case.

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ai123
09/16/23 12:44:56 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
So let me rephrase, who can heal this country to stop people from thinking that even SAYING both sides is controversial? Like do you even see how that is a problem that can't be come back from if half the country hates the other half and everybody is unhappy?
People aren't going to stop hating the right until the right stop doing hateful things.

What you seem to be asking for is appeasement. Which the right will just take for weakness and only push harder.

The solution is for the right to stop advocating for things that hurt people, and stop blocking things that will help them.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:45:28 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
We're too divided for our country to ever heal. There's no point in trying tbh.

I don't believe this is true. I believe the internet, sensationalist news, etc, people siloing off into bubbles, etc, makes it seem to be the case. But I bet if you take out the extreme views on each side there is a workable healable population that can get along with each other. We have to take a concerted effort though to open up to that.

Obviously right now that's not what people want. But I would love a leader that can make this happen. Somebody respected by the majority of both sides. It would probably be somebody that the far right and far left both hate. Biden ironically is that, but he's not a strong presence or leader.

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Guide
09/16/23 12:47:10 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
Yes, but this isn't the full story. Half the country does not want to kill you. Im Jewish. Yes there are nazis on the far right. That doesn't mean half the country is full of nazis. But if you preach this it will not help at all. That only widens the wound we have right now. The nazis yes, they should be condemned. But that doesn't mean we refuse to acknowledge the many people that are not nazis

There's a party of 10 people, to which you will be invited. 1 of them wants to kill you. Do you go to the party?

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:48:16 PM
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ai123 posted...
People aren't going to stop hating the right until the right stop doing hateful things.

What you seem to be asking for is appeasement. Which the right will just take for weakness and only push harder.

Yeah, it's true. And people won't stop hating the left until the left stops accusing them of being evil racist nazis who deserve to die or shunned from society. When in reality the evil racist nazis are the extreme, but even the people who aren't are treated like they are. To be fair, the people that think that everybody on the right is a nazi are extremes too. But the way society is now it seems the divide in viewpoints gets bigger.

I honestly feel that everybody getting on the internet, facebook, twitter, etc, has done so much to harm society in the long run.

I don't want actual nazis to be appeased, but I do want the right and the left to learn to talk to and accept and trust one another. That has to come from both sides.

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myusernameislame
09/16/23 12:49:09 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
I don't believe this is true. I believe the internet, sensationalist news, etc, people siloing off into bubbles, etc, makes it seem to be the case. But I bet if you take out the extreme views on each side there is a workable healable population that can get along with each other. We have to take a concerted effort though to open up to that.

Obviously right now that's not what people want. But I would love a leader that can make this happen. Somebody respected by the majority of both sides. It would probably be somebody that the far right and far left both hate. Biden ironically is that, but he's not a strong presence or leader.

What "extreme views" on the left actually exist on any meaningful scale?
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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:49:57 PM
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Guide posted...
There's a party of 10 people, to which you will be invited. 1 of them wants to kill you. Do you go to the party?

No, and I get this. Nobody is asking you to BE a republican. But if there's two parties, and each party has one person that wants to kill the other, so both people at every party decide to hate everybody at the other party that is going to be unsustainable. Because there's only two parties, and so there's bound to be a killer somewhere in there. Really the 18 people that don't want to kill each other should make their own party, and let the two killers have at each other

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myusernameislame
09/16/23 12:50:49 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
Yeah, it's true. And people won't stop hating the left until the left stops accusing them of being evil racist nazis who deserve to die or shunned from society. When in reality the evil racist nazis are the extreme, but even the people who aren't are treated like they are. To be fair, the people that think that everybody on the right is a nazi are extremes too. But the way society is now it seems the divide in viewpoints gets bigger.

I honestly feel that everybody getting on the internet, facebook, twitter, etc, has done so much to harm society in the long run.

I don't want actual nazis to be appeased, but I do want the right and the left to learn to talk to and accept and trust one another. That has to come from both sides.

Why would the right stop hating the left if they stopped calling them Nazis when that has nothing to do with why they started hating them in the first place?

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ai123
09/16/23 12:53:24 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
Yeah, it's true. And people won't stop hating the left until the left stops accusing them of being evil racist nazis who deserve to die or shunned from society. When in reality the evil racist nazis are the extreme, but even the people who aren't are treated like they are. To be fair, the people that think that everybody on the right is a nazi are extremes too. But the way society is now it seems the divide in viewpoints gets bigger.

I honestly feel that everybody getting on the internet, facebook, twitter, etc, has done so much to harm society in the long run.

I don't want actual nazis to be appeased, but I do want the right and the left to learn to talk to and accept and trust one another. That has to come from both sides.
What you seem to be equating is name calling by a small number of people on social media, with actual policies that are enacted to ban books, eliminate bodily autonomy, deny healthcare to trans people, forbid companies from using green energy etc.

One of these things is not like the other.

And that's just the political wing. Have you compared the amount of terrorist violence perpetrated by the right to that of the left?

I'll tell you one thing: none of these oppressive, authoritarian policies, none of the terrorism, are happening because some twitter no mark said someone else was a nazi.

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Cemith
09/16/23 12:54:34 PM
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Murphiroth posted...
LMAO knew from the title this would be generic "both sides" garbage.

Literally have TC tagged as "Enlightened centrist." Not sure where he got it but the proof is in the pudding.

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Guide
09/16/23 12:55:18 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
No

Well then, there you go.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

No, I meant a party. Booze, music. The rest of your post is a very blatant detour from the point, which you know.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:57:21 PM
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That's a good point. That is a problem. I still think the news and the internet amplify the far left views and opinions anyway and makes it seem like the norm, but you bring up a really good point about Congress which is very skewed

ai123 posted...
What you seem to be equating is name calling by a small number of people on social media, with actual policies that are enacted to ban books, eliminate bodily autonomy, deny healthcare to trans people, forbid companies from using green energy etc.

You're right here, I think the right has done/is doing more harm, which is why I won't vote right. Even though I don't like the far left or the far right, I think the right is more harmful in their policies and would always vote left. I think the left means well even if I don't like the way they handle social issues (even if I agree with the issues)

But in terms of healing the country I don't know if it matters. Obviously there is tensions on both sides, not just the left side, and I think that whether or not its realistic the right feels slighted or attacked as well , or else I don't know how else to justify the frustrations. And I imagine the social discourse is part of that. You might think the left has more of a right to feel slighted than the right does, and you might even be right.

But it doesn't change the fact that IMO the current social climate is unsustainable and both sides are contributing to tensions in how they treat each other. Even if the way that half of them got here is justified, it can't continue forever. Like at some point we HAVE to say enough is enough.

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Guide
09/16/23 12:58:05 PM
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To summarize for the folks at home:

"both sides"
>one side wants to hurt you
"but not all of that side wants to hurt you"
>would you be ok going to a party with that side if 10% of them wanted to hurt you
"no, but whatabout-"

There's no honesty within the tc for himself, so he can't be honest externally.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 12:58:38 PM
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Guide posted...
Well then, there you go.

No, I meant a party. Booze, music. The rest of your post is a very blatant detour from the point, which you know.

I know what you meant about a party, but in real life we have basically two groups only with half the country in each one.

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09/16/23 12:58:40 PM
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Toonstrack
09/16/23 1:00:08 PM
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If anyone here had the right answer they wouldn't be here.

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Pitlord_Special
09/16/23 1:00:36 PM
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Treating TC like hes arguing in good faith is how the Ds get suckered into compromising with the Rs time and time again. This thread is tragedy in a nutshell

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Guide
09/16/23 1:00:42 PM
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HHH_is_the_game posted...
I know what you meant about a party, but in real life we have basically two groups only with half the country in each one.

You also understand that in the trolley problem, you don't go "call the train to use the emergency breaks before it reaches the trapped people"

But this is exactly what you tried. Dishonest.

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HHH_is_the_game
09/16/23 1:02:25 PM
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Guide posted...
You also understand that in the trolley problem, you don't go "call the train to use the emergency breaks before it reaches the trapped people"

But this is exactly what you tried. Dishonest.

I feel like we exactly disagree. My exact point is that we need to find the "call the emergency brakes and don't hit the people" solution because real life is not the trolley problem and sometimes you have to try to find the third solution.

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